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[dezeray112]

And here is the latest trailer for James Gunn's the Suicide Squad:

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[Deleted member]

Well, first PAC-MAN, now this.

 

[TheMightyP]

So, I saw this convo on Twitter, but people are saying that Nintendo Youtubers dictate a lot about retro game discussion, and honestly... yeah I agree. I'm not saying they shouldn't talk about their games, but they do tend to hype the hell out of the games they played when they were 7 as if they were some massive deal way back in the day when in reality, they weren't.

For example, old Rare games were supposedly treated as the holy grail of gaming back in the day, but looking at it, they really weren't. They might have been good, but they were no Mario 64, OoT, or Crash in terms of popularity, and yet, they play it up as if they were, especially for games that weren't even good like Conker. It doesn't help that they also dictate discourse about the good old days and how gaming companies now don't try anymore and **** because they didn't get the same thing that they played 20 years ago.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Well, first PAC-MAN, now this.

Sonic punched Mario so hard, he went into Minecraft & got killed by a Creeper.

Now Mario took his revenge and Sonic & his world/buddies are in Minecraft.

Don't **** with this plumber.

 

[Lamperouge]

Well, first PAC-MAN, now this.

Welp, looks like I'm booting up Minecraft again for the first time in years

 

[Starry.]

Still love her one year later.

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she's cool to have in the game. just a shame that she makes me cry whenever I have to play against her.

 

[Schnee117]

Well, first PAC-MAN, now this.

"Sonic in Minecraft"
eh
Chao Garden is referenced

 

[Noipoi]

So, I saw this convo on Twitter, but people are saying that Nintendo Youtubers dictate a lot about retro game discussion, and honestly... yeah I agree. I'm not saying they shouldn't talk about their games, but they do tend to hype the hell out of the games they played when they were 7 as if they were some massive deal way back in the day when in reality, they weren't.

For example, old Rare games were supposedly treated as the holy grail of gaming back in the day, but looking at it, they really weren't. They might have been good, but they were no Mario 64, OoT, or Crash in terms of popularity, and yet, they play it up as if they were, especially for games that weren't even good like Conker. It doesn't help that they also dictate discourse about the good old days and how gaming companies now don't try anymore and **** because they didn't get the same thing that they played 20 years ago.

I dunno man, some of Rare’s games really are the best of their eras.

DKC2 is a supreme example of a classic 2D platformer. And I still think Banjo Kazooie tops Mario 64.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

For example, old Rare games were supposedly treated as the holy grail of gaming back in the day, but looking at it, they really weren't. They might have been good, but they were no Mario 64, OoT, or Crash in terms of popularity, and yet, they play it up as if they were, especially for games that weren't even good like Conker. It doesn't help that they also dictate discourse about the good old days and how gaming companies now don't try anymore and **** because they didn't get the same thing that they played 20 years ago.

Again, yes they were. Sales doesn’t dictate popularity and People of that generation that grew up on those games are the ones that have fond memories of those games. Dismissing the popularity as “ah youtubers” is extremely disingenuous. And just retroactive history.

I have a few problems with this, firstly Wikipedia isn’t exactly the most trustworthy of sites, secondly this is assuming 0 people bought the Xbox Arcade version and 0 people bought Rare Replay which are simply not true. But hey let’s assume that only the N64 version was ever released for the continuity of this post. Add that with the fact that the N64 sold around 34 million and the PlayStation sold around 100 million and it’s easy to see, if the numbers are correct, why Croc sold as much as Banjo. A LOT of people who owned a 64 owned Banjo AND Banjo Tooie because what the poster seemed to ignore was that Banjo-Tooie was 4 spaces down with 3 million units as well.

For context of attachment rates is that Banjo and Tooie has about an 8.5% attachment rate while croc has about a… 0.8% attachment rate, and that’s being generous. You know what game does have a comparable PlayStation attachment rate to Banjo though? Final Fantasy VII

It’s pretty disingenuous to just wave off everything everyone from a specific era loves to “oh it’s the just popular because of influencers” collectathon games didn’t become a genre because of youtubers, indie games following the formula of Banjo like Hat in Time and Yooka-Laylee didn’t happen because of Youtubers. This is just people not understanding the difference between influence and sales.

And that’s just in terms of sales. In terms of reviews and the like Banjo is one of the highest rated games of that generation. Sits at a 92 on Metacritic. Banjo-Tooie sets at a 90. People are just getting tired of hearing about banjo so now they’re like “ah it must mean it’s bad” as if global nostalgia means that the game must be bad.

 

[TheMightyP]

I dunno man, some of Rare’s games really are the best of their eras.

DKC2 is a supreme example of a classic 2D platformer. And I still think Banjo Kazooie tops Mario 64.

This is not moreso on the quality of the games, but more on how overblown and overstated the reach and legacy on many of the games they covered sorta gets in the way of actual facts. Like, I used Rare games as an example, but if I had to elaborate, this isn't ke saying that games like Banjo aren't that good, but morseso that they've been pretty overstated in terms of reach and popularity. Heck, the N64 in general is an example if this, most Ninty Youtubers say it was one of Nintendo's most popular consoles that was looked back on as fondly remembered, but in reality, it was the worst performing Nintendo console at the time and it got dominated by the PS1, but with their words dominating retro game discussion, many belive the N64 was a much bigger deal than it actually was.

Is this making sense?

 

[Noipoi]

Is this making sense?

Yeah, it is.

But also-

Does it really matter?

I dunno, not directed at you, but I don’t see the point of starting a Twitter meltdown over this.

 

[TheMightyP]

Yeah, it is.

But also-

Does it really matter?

I dunno, not directed at you, but I don’t see the point of starting a Twitter meltdown over this.

I just find it interesting, I'm not saying it's really a big deal, let alone one to warrant a meltdown, I just wanted to have a discussion because I never really thought of that, and I wanted to hear your guy's thoughts.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

This is not moreso on the quality of the games, but more on how overblown and overstated the reach and legacy on many of the games they covered sorta gets in the way of actual facts. Like, I used Rare games as an example, but if I had to elaborate, this isn't ke saying that games like Banjo aren't that good, but morseso that they've been pretty overstated in terms of reach and popularity. Heck, the N64 in general is an example if this, most Ninty Youtubers say it was one of Nintendo's most popular consoles that was looked back on as fondly remembered, but in reality, it was the worst performing Nintendo console at the time and it got dominated by the PS1, but with their words dominating retro game discussion, many belive the N64 was a much bigger deal than it actually was.

Is this making sense?

I mean I guess but a lot of Youtubers that bring up rare are often big fans of Crash and Spyro as well. There’s a reason those games did as well as they did recently with their remakes, because they’re just as beloved. It’s not a matter of which console is was more popular. It’s about the fact if you owned a N64 you loved the Rareware games. It’s just how it was. Just like if you owned a PlayStation you likely love FFVII, MGS, Crash, Tekken, and Spyro. Rareware single handedly carried the N64 for a good period of its lifetime. No wonder people have such affinity for the games. But there’s a double side to this coin. There’s a LOT of FFVII, MGS, Crash, Tekken, and Spyro youtubers.

 

[Noipoi]

I just find it interesting, I'm not saying it's really a big deal, let alone one to warrant a meltdown, I just wanted to have a discussion because I never really thought of that, and I wanted to hear your guy's thoughts.

Well, if you want my opinion.

I do think nostalgic YouTubers have a tendency to hype up their childhood games or consoles to a point beyond the reality of their success. It could lead some young fans who weren’t there at the time (including me) to think certain consoles were at the top of the world, when they really weren’t.

But all they’re doing is sharing their love and appreciation for their childhoods. And I’m sure in their little world, with their friends, the N64 was the biggest console. They’re not trying to make accurate reports on the sales of Conker, they’re showing the audience what they find special about it.

So in a sense, yes it can be misleading. But it’s not done in a malicious sense. Nostalgia is a powerful thing, and these guys just wanna show the audience what it felt like to them at the time. Even if it’s not an accurate portrayal of how things really were.

Edit: okay some of these guys may get radically defensive and douchey about it. They should be called out. I was thinking of the guys who just wanna share something they’re passionate about specifically.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Tekken

I know this is definitely the case for Tekken 7, but are there any notable Tekken 3 YouTubers?

 

[TheMightyP]

I mean I guess but a lot of Youtubers that bring up rare are often big fans of Crash and Spyro as well. There’s a reason those games did as well as they did recently with their remakes, because they’re just as beloved. It’s not a matter of which console is was more popular. It’s about the fact if you owned a N64 you loved the Rareware games. It’s just how it was. Just like if you owned a PlayStation you likely love FFVII, MGS, Crash, Tekken, and Spyro. Rareware single handedly carried the N64 for a good period of its lifetime. No wonder people have such affinity for the games. But there’s a double side to this coin. There’s a LOT of FFVII, MGS, Crash, Tekken, and Spyro youtubers.

Not denying Rareware carried the N64, but I do think they may have been overstated just a smidge, and it didn't really help that those who overyhped the old Rare tend to be the leading drives in the beliefs that Rare now sucks because if their slight blunders on the 360 (imo, that hate was overblown too, Reloaded fixed a lot of **** that dragged down the original, and Nuts and Bolts wasn't even bad, but unfortunately that line of thinking dominated retro discussion for a while).

Then again I think the N64 sucked ass so my personal bias may be a factor here

 

[Schnee117]

So, I saw this convo on Twitter, but people are saying that Nintendo Youtubers dictate a lot about retro game discussion, and honestly... yeah I agree. I'm not saying they shouldn't talk about their games, but they do tend to hype the hell out of the games they played when they were 7 as if they were some massive deal way back in the day when in reality, they weren't.

For example, old Rare games were supposedly treated as the holy grail of gaming back in the day, but looking at it, they really weren't. They might have been good, but they were no Mario 64, OoT, or Crash in terms of popularity, and yet, they play it up as if they were, especially for games that weren't even good like Conker. It doesn't help that they also dictate discourse about the good old days and how gaming companies now don't try anymore and **** because they didn't get the same thing that they played 20 years ago.

It's youtubers in general (and the real world too).
The whole narrative around Sonic for example is hugely built around what some rando youtubers are saying and that'll be repeated ad nauseum, no one cares about their own opinions on things, it's just repeating what some rando guy said from his couch (or) in his basement because they spoke well enough to convey their points.

And sure, Sonic's been all over the shop since going 3d but it's the same **** being regurgitated because some unfunny nerd said it. Having certain people you trust in regards to their opinions is important, you only have so much time and/or money, but it's also important that you still try to formulate your own view separate from them if possible.

People with a ton of charisma speak as if they're an authority on something (regardless of whether they actually are or are not) and you get droves of people believing it no matter what. That's just how things have been for a long time.

 

[TheMightyP]

It's youtubers in general (and the real world too).
The whole narrative around Sonic for example is hugely built around what some rando youtubers are saying and that'll be repeated ad nauseum, no one cares about their own opinions on things, it's just repeating what some rando guy said from his couch (or) in his basement because they spoke well enough to convey their points.

And sure, Sonic's been all over the shop since going 3d but it's the same **** being regurgitated because some unfunny nerd said it. Having certain people you trust in regards to their opinions is important, you only have so much time and/or money, but it's also important that you still try to formulate your own view separate from them if possible.

People with a ton of charisma speak as if they're an authority on something (regardless of whether they actually are or are not) and you get droves of people believing it no matter what. That's just how things have been for a long time.

Certified Sonic Mania->Sonic Forces review moment

 

[Megadoomer]

This is not moreso on the quality of the games, but more on how overblown and overstated the reach and legacy on many of the games they covered sorta gets in the way of actual facts. Like, I used Rare games as an example, but if I had to elaborate, this isn't ke saying that games like Banjo aren't that good, but morseso that they've been pretty overstated in terms of reach and popularity. Heck, the N64 in general is an example if this, most Ninty Youtubers say it was one of Nintendo's most popular consoles that was looked back on as fondly remembered, but in reality, it was the worst performing Nintendo console at the time and it got dominated by the PS1, but with their words dominating retro game discussion, many belive the N64 was a much bigger deal than it actually was.

Is this making sense?

The Nintendo 64 had good games; it just didn't sell well, much like the Dreamcast or Wii U. Even if it didn't surpass the PS1 in terms of sales, people can still look back on it (and its games) fondly.

 

[Noipoi]

Certified Sonic Mania->Sonic Forces review moment

I can’t wait for Sonic 2022 to rev up the hot take machine again.

 

[Z25]

He’s back!

Wario Bros.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Not denying Rareware carried the N64, but I do think they may have been overstated just a smidge, and it didn't really help that those who overyhped the old Rare tend to be the leading drives in the beliefs that Rare now sucks because if their slight blunders on the 360 (imo, that hate was overblown too, Reloaded fixed a lot of **** that dragged down the original, and Nuts and Bolts wasn't even bad, but unfortunately that line of thinking dominated retro discussion for a while).

Then again I think the N64 sucked ass so my personal bias may be a factor here

I don’t think think new Rare sucks. It is a shame we likely won’t get anything like the older games from them again but Sea of Thieves is phenomenal and I’m sure Everwild will be too. And to be completely fair the 64 did suck. For the most part. It lost all its 3rd party support. It’s the same reason the Wii U wasn’t that great either. Sure it had great games the Zelda games are at the tippy top of the console. Some of the best are on 64 and Wii U. But they’re so sporadic and few and far between that’s not even worth getting a Wii U to wait a year between games.

 

[Schnee117]

I can’t wait for Sonic 2022 to rev up the hot take machine again.

I'd make a drinking game out of it but even water would prove fatal

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Colors is still ****ing better than Unleashed. Holy **** how is that game the golden boy right now.

 

[TheMightyP]

I'd make a drinking game out of it but even water would prove fatal

3D Sonic reviews are literally a madlibs game at this point.

 

[NonsensicalThings]

The Avenger’s Video Game: Where the real supervillain is that one guy who forgot to remove the onscreen dev text.

 

[Metal Shop X]

I see talk about how the N64 really didn't do that well back then, but that make me think at how the Gamecube really didn't that good either, even though so many good games cames on it.

I know some of the reasons why (lack of third party, The PS2, looking very "kid-y", etc..), but hearing the praise on it make you think it was more succesful than it actually was.

 

[Wademan94]

Remember that Spyro Crash I shared earlier?

Well…

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[Wario Bros.]

He’s back!

Wario Bros.

Looks pretty neat. Will definitely give it a watch when it comes out.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Spoiler

"THINK GHIDORAH! In the next million years you're just gonna be an insignificant roadblock to a giant radioactive Earth dinosaur! EVEERYTHING you fought for, EVERYTHING you know... will be blasted away!" - Omni-Man

Ha ha ha ha you can't literally make this meme for anything! xD

 

[Wario Bros.]

Metal Shop X Looked up that Meta Crystal and it's not on the game's share content menu and it won't let me upload it.

Sorry.

 

[Wademan94]

Man Minecraft Sonic has some based choices.

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[TMNTSSB4]

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doggo crossover come true

 

[Metal Shop X]

He’s back!

Wario Bros.

The video is unavaible for me.

Can you throw a link or a name for good 'ole Jawsum?

Metal Shop X Looked up that Meta Crystal and it's not on the game's share content menu and it won't let me upload it.

Sorry.

Ah, well, it is possible to get a screenshot?

Even if it's a bit blurry, so long it's clean enough, I be happy.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

doggo crossover come true

I can imagine it. Eustace growing to dislike Scooby seeing him as a second Courage. xD

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Well, first PAC-MAN, now this.

Wow, it's cool that we finally can have Mario, Sonic, and Pac-Man in the same game.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

The video is unavaible for me.

My fellow Euro knows the pain I'm having.

 

[Wademan94]

Wow, it's cool that we finally can have Mario, Sonic, and Pac-Man in the same game.

Now if only we had Mega Man

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I still can't believe it took this long for an actual Scooby-Doo/Courage the Cowardly Dog to even happen.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Now if only we had Mega Man

Good thing we have Steve there at least.