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but the product as a whole just isn’t that great and I don’t know why people say this is the best in the franchise. I am shocked by that sentiment.
Cuz the kids who grew up with it are older (I say being the same age as these people) and making their opinions known. Not to mention it got kinda **** on back in the day, with some reviews saying it was worse than 06 which is obviously laughable. So now the pendulum is swinging to the other direction.
 

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So I finished Sonic Unleashed...

The game isn’t BAD. But there’s so MUCH DOWNTIME. The day levels? Awesome great, I would play a whole game of those. Which I have. Sorta. It’s called Colors. You can make it through daytime levels in less than 10 minutes usually and they’re infinitely satisfying and replayable. But the ****ing Werehog levels on average last 30-40 minutes. And they’re boring. Again, not bad, just boring. There’s some upgrades here and some light platforming that breaks up the obnoxiously button marshy combat but wow I hate these levels. It KINDA carries over into the hubs but the hubs are actually played as Sonic so I can pass them as being the obvious midpoint between Daytime and Nightime levels and it’s just OK.

As much as people prop up Unleashed as one of the best in the franchise I am woefully disappointed. I’ll rely the game... but only the daytime levels. Which apparently there’s a mod for Generations PC out there that recreates all the day levels for that game at 60FPS which is super nice.

But yeah I didn’t hate Unleashed and am looking forward to replaying the day levels in that mod once I get my PC going but the product as a whole just isn’t that great and I don’t know why people say this is the best in the franchise. I am shocked by that sentiment.
Welcome to the Sonic fanbase: What was yesterday's hated game is today's pure angel that never did anything wrong. It's a lot like Zelda's fanbase, lol.

I remember not what, 5+ years ago? Unleashed was bashed into the ground (a little too much, IMHO) for these exact problems you listed, and Colors and Generations were loved. Now, for whatever reason, the script is flipped: Unleashed is the series' savior while Colors is the new boogeyman, and Generations feels enough like Unleashed so it gets a pass.

No offense to anyone who loves Unleashed, but I gotta agree with this post here about it, if I'm being honest. I don't know where the sudden love came from either, or why it's "what the series should be": Game has a huge load of problems.
 
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Welcome to the Sonic fanbase: What was yesterday's hated game is today's pure angel that never did anything wrong. It's a lot like Zelda's fanbase, lol.

I remember not what, 5+ years ago? Unleashed was bashed into the ground (a little too much, IMHO) for these exact problems you listed, and Colors and Generations were loved. Now, for whatever reason, the script is flipped: Unleashed is the series' savior while Colors is the new boogeyman, and Generations feels enough like Unleashed so it gets a pass.

No offense to anyone who loves Unleashed, but I gotta agree with this post here about it, if I'm being honest. I don't know where the sudden love came from either, or why it's "what the series should be": Game has a huge load of problems.
The Pokémon fanbase is similar.

Gen 8 is still the newest, so it’s still getting the most ****. (Not the legit criticism, just the basic fanbase bashing) but what’s funny is I’m starting to see XY get a lot of praise. Which is hilarious cuz just a few years ago it was seen as the downfall of the series.

Maybe during gen 9, S/M will be getting love.
 

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I say what Unleashed nailed the most is the story, character writting for Sonic & Chips and the style/presentation.

Like to this day, it's still one of the most beautiful game the blue hedgedog ever apparear in, and the fact he doesn't act like a jokester every seconds and without being too serious all the time is like peak Sonic as a character, in my humble opinion, of course.

The humans are also the best looking humans in the series, and idk why Sega decided to just throw them to the trash afterward. 'cuz they finally nailed a design for them, but oh well.

I could go on other positives or negative, but I say there's reasons to love Unleash....and reasons not to.

You just gotta have a open mind with that kind of stuff I say, especially since it's a Sonic game we're talking about.

That alll saiiiiiiiiiid...

Guh-Huzzah! Guh-Huzzah! , osby osby

V1.0.8 is here, Snaley is a new enemy but I can't find him.

Can you help me? Also did anything new was added to Black Space?
 
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I will say that I really like Sonic’s characterization in Unleashed.

He’s still cocky and confident, but he’s much more relaxed. For Sonic anyway. He’s not in your face screaming radical quips, or ranting about copyright laws, he feels more self assured in his coolness. Just a guy running through this world, doing good whenever he can. Though not without his jokes.

Not to say I don’t enjoy the brashness of the Adventure games or the snark of the more modern games, cuz I do. But Unleashed Sonic is the Sonic I think I’d most want to hang out with.
 

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The government seriously won’t let one company control the entire entertainment industry... will they?
No no, of course they won't.

Now 2-3 companies on the other hand? Yeah they'd totally allow that. Can't let Disney have all of that movie-making dough, gotta leave a few slices of that pie for the little guys like checks notes AT&T and Comcast.

The internet's obsession with singling out Disney is ridiculous because even if we destroyed Disney, some other corporate conglomerate would just take its place.
 

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No no, of course they won't.

Now 2-3 companies on the other hand? Yeah they'd totally allow that. Can't let Disney have all of that movie-making dough, gotta leave a few slices of that pie for the little guys like checks notes AT&T and Comcast.

The internet's obsession with singling out Disney is ridiculous because even if we destroyed Disney, some other corporate conglomerate would just take its place.
Talk about having a big three, like Papa Johns, Domino's and Pizza Hut for pizza.
 

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God damn it, I thought I was finally done with Omori, and not only they just added a new enemy that I can't find despite going where it should apparear, there might be new secrets in Black Space.
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wy u do tis 2 mii, omocat
 
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The Pokémon fanbase is similar.

Gen 8 is still the newest, so it’s still getting the most ****. (Not the legit criticism, just the basic fanbase bashing) but what’s funny is I’m starting to see XY get a lot of praise. Which is hilarious cuz just a few years ago it was seen as the downfall of the series.

Maybe during gen 9, S/M will be getting love.
I doubt it, Sword and shield is still bad.
 

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I say what Unleashed nailed the most is the story, character writting for Sonic & Chips and the style/presentation.

Like to this day, it's still one of the most beautiful game the blue hedgedog ever apparear in, and the fact he doesn't act like a jokester every seconds and without being too serious all the time is like peak Sonic as a character, in my humble opinion, of course.

The humans are also the best looking humans in the series, and idk why Sega decided to just throw them to the trash afterward. 'cuz they finally nailed a design for them, but oh well.

I could go on other positives or negative, but I say there's reasons to love Unleash....and reasons not to.

You just gotta have a open mind with that kind of stuff I say, especially since it's a Sonic game we're talking about.

That alll saiiiiiiiiiid...

Guh-Huzzah! Guh-Huzzah! , osby osby

V1.0.8 is here, Snaley is a new enemy but I can't find him.

Can you help me? Also did anything new was added to Black Space?
Not quite sure where Snaley is, but if I find out I’ll tell ya.
 

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Not quite sure where Snaley is, but if I find out I’ll tell ya.
I say that I know here is (Underwater Highway -> Abandonned Site).

But for some reasons, he doesn't apparear in the place he should.

If you and osby osby could find out why, it would help alot. 'cuz I really don't want to miss out on any new contents this update added.
 

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No no, of course they won't.

Now 2-3 companies on the other hand? Yeah they'd totally allow that. Can't let Disney have all of that movie-making dough, gotta leave a few slices of that pie for the little guys like checks notes AT&T and Comcast.

The internet's obsession with singling out Disney is ridiculous because even if we destroyed Disney, some other corporate conglomerate would just take its place.
I mean.. Disney is the most powerful one so it makes sense he would be the one we single out most. AT&T and Comcast are bad sure, but they just want monopolies. They aren't interested in shaping culture or controlling people the way Disney is. I mean, really, out of the three which one is actually most likely to start trying to get it's people into offices of power?
 

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It's news to me that Unleashed ever overcame the opinion that it had some good day parts bogged down extensively by the Werehog.

I don't think Sonic is subject to the Zelda cycle. Sonic has its own cycle where every time there's a new game people hold out hope this will be the return to form they desire, remain kind of deaf to concerns that crop up pre-release, defend the game once it releases amid people noting that's it's... so-so, and then a year or two later admit it wasn't that great. Rinse and repeat.

Now a few games eschew this pattern, to be remembered as "actually pretty good", namely Colors, Generations and Mania. The rest, ehhh.
 

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The Pokémon fanbase is similar.

Gen 8 is still the newest, so it’s still getting the most ****. (Not the legit criticism, just the basic fanbase bashing) but what’s funny is I’m starting to see XY get a lot of praise. Which is hilarious cuz just a few years ago it was seen as the downfall of the series.

Maybe during gen 9, S/M will be getting love.
SuMo deserves the love. It had bad timing as it got sandwiched between a game of emptyness and nothing special and the ****show that came after. It didn't deserve to be clumped with the "downfall of the franchise"
 

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Colors is experiencing a (imo, well-deserved) hype backlash. It was heralded as the savior of the series for the longest time when it's platforming is clunky, it feels slow and the writing can be really obnoxious. It's a fun game alright but also doesn't have the ambition, characterization and sense of adventure that some other games in the series have.

tldr, Colors is good but it also has a lot of problems and it's nowhere near what I want Sonic to strive for.
Unfortunately for maybe you, no offense, I heard they may be making a Sonic Colors remaster.
 

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The great thing about Sonic & peoples opinion on his games is that everyone got at the very least one bad take on it.
 
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Earlier I attempted to take a half-hour nap. Apparently woken an hour and a half...-_-

I hate the feeling afterwards, so I had to go outside to get motivated, was out in the back with the dogs for an hour playing with them.
 

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SuMo deserves the love. It had bad timing as it got sandwiched between a game of emptyness and nothing special and the ****show that came after. It didn't deserve to be clumped with the "downfall of the franchise"
Counterpoint, your on rails for most of the adventure having to follow Lillie everywhere.


The plot is good but i would prefer some actual exploration.
 

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My hot take is even Sonic at its best is still just good, music notwithstanding.
 

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SuMo deserves the love. It had bad timing as it got sandwiched between a game of emptyness and nothing special and the ****show that came after. It didn't deserve to be clumped with the "downfall of the franchise"
I will never deny Sun and Moon’s problems, namely the obnoxious way the story is presented. But good lord, I adore those games. The Alola region is so comfy and atmospheric, it has some of the best characterization in the series. The professor and the trial captains and kahunas and the team leaders all feel like people. With pasts and goals and day to day lives outside of being opponents for you. The region has an amazing sense of history and culture. I could imagine myself living in this region more than any other. The locations are exotic, and while I could’ve done with a bit more exploration there was still a good bit of it. Way better than the hallway fest that was the come. The music is great, and also the Pokémon are great and it has one of the best starter trios in the series. Top 5 easily.

I just really love gen seven.
 
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Unfortunately for maybe you, no offense, I heard they may be making a Sonic Colors remaster.
And I'm happy for it. Again, I didn't hate Colors and a remaster could fix some of my oroblems with the game.

SEGA being unable to make anything Sonic-related without Wisps nowadays kinda takes the wow factor but that's neither here nor there.
 

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Anyway, i'm gonna take a bath now 'cuz I just can't get Snaley no matter how much I reload and come back to his area.

I hope I haven't done something that make it unplayable for me, 'cuz if that's so...
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**** suck, man.
 

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I mean.. Disney is the most powerful one so it makes sense he would be the one we single out most.
This is false. In 2019, Disney made less then 70 billion dollars in revenue. That's a lot, but Comcast made 103 billion and AT&T made a whopping 181 billion. Disney is actually the smallest of the three - their strong branding just makes them seem larger.
They aren't interested in shaping culture or controlling people the way Disney is.
Disney is interested in selling toys.
I mean, really, out of the three which one is actually most likely to start trying to get it's people into offices of power?
All three of them lobby. There isn't a single corporation that wouldn't gain from sticking their hands into politics.
 

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Colors is experiencing a (imo, well-deserved) hype backlash. It was heralded as the savior of the series for the longest time when it's platforming is clunky, it feels slow and the writing can be really obnoxious. It's a fun game alright but also doesn't have the ambition, characterization and sense of adventure that some other games in the series have.

tldr, Colors is good but it also has a lot of problems and it's nowhere near what I want Sonic to strive for.
See, I can't help but always disagree with this a ton. Colors set the ground work for Generations, was honestly visually fantastic for the hardware it was running on, and featured a game that had focused design and knew what it wanted to be without an obtrusive gimmick that brought it down. It was one of the few times Sonic Team felt like they knew what they were doing and what they actually wanted to do with Sonic.

The platforming and level design were never clunky to me: Honestly, it all felt just right. Branching pathways, powerups that felt satisfying and impactful to use: It was all hallmarks of good game design IMO.

Not to mention Colors has an extremely distinct visual flair: A ton of the locales are super memorable (to me, at least) and the OST behind them are nothing short of stellar IMHO. There's also the surprising amount of content the game offers if you so choose to explore it.

All in all, Colors has more polish than most Sonics, heck, I'd even say close to Nintendo levels of polish. Especially compared to Unleashed: Unleashed feels like it wanted to capitalize on the popular beat 'em up trend at the time and as a result, the game suffered immensely from the Werehog. Not to mention the game's horrendous performance on PS3.

Now obviously, this is all up to personal taste and opinion, so I ain't gonna dump on anyone who does or doesn't like Colors or likes or doesn't like Unleashed, but these are my brief thoughts on the matter. At the end of the day, it's video games, to each their own. :dr^_^:
 

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I'm playing the GBA Medabots game that came out back in the day, and the entire reason bought this collection, i wanted a legit copy of this again lol

I'm 99% sure that was the reason why Ultra exists, but then they just forgot to add the story.

It really should've been add-on DLC for SuMo.
The real reason is money, but i always kinda assumed the technical reason was because base Sun and Moon was rushed heavily for the 20th anniversary and Ultra is just the content they couldnt fit in regularly..
 

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Could they be adapting the Moro arc?
Maybe, but given Toriyama's comment about an unexpected character, I have my doubts. (I can't think of anyone who fits the bill in the Moro arc)

i'll check those out! i was actually planning to watch the halloween series, but ive heard that a lot of the later movies in the series are pretty bad and not worth watching. do you have any opinion on that?
I've only seen Halloween 1, 2, 3, and the 2018 movie, so I can't really comment on the entries in between those. From what I've heard, they aren't great (especially Halloween 6 or Halloween Resurrection), but the original is extremely well-done - at the very least, watch that one. (Halloween 2 and 2018 were good, though the 2018 one is the only scary movie that I saw in theaters and I felt pretty freaked out afterwards (the last act was pretty tense) - then again, I'm not used to that sort of thing)
 
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This is false. In 2019, Disney made less then 70 billion dollars in revenue. That's a lot, but Comcast made 103 billion and AT&T made a whopping 181 billion. Disney is actually the smallest of the three - their strong branding just makes them seem larger.

Disney is interested in selling toys.

All three of them lobby. There isn't a single corporation that wouldn't gain from sticking their hands into politics.
I've seen how they make their employees work at Disneyland. I do NOT want every american citizen to become a "Cast Member". Blarg. I'm telling you, if any of these three companies are gonna turn into a fascist state, it's Disney.
 

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The Pokémon fanbase is similar.

Gen 8 is still the newest, so it’s still getting the most ****. (Not the legit criticism, just the basic fanbase bashing) but what’s funny is I’m starting to see XY get a lot of praise. Which is hilarious cuz just a few years ago it was seen as the downfall of the series.

Maybe during gen 9, S/M will be getting love.
Then in Gen 10, Gen 8 will get a lot of love.


I don't look forward to those days.
 
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