The Smash Lab: What is it?

[Red Arremer]

I did, but probably misunderstood you. Sorry.

 

[SCOTU]

The waft is responsible for 1/2 the damage of the whole throw, and all of the knockback.

 

[Red Arremer]

Eh, by "damage" I actually meant the knockback. Changed it... Sorry again. It's late! ;-;

 

[M.K]

*crickets*

...Uh, we need something. We've milked this topic to death....

 

[Mmac]

We need some sort of objective....

.....

There is one thing that puzzles me though. How come you can DI a Ground Grab Break, But not an Aerial Grab Break?

 

[Pr0phetic]

Yeah the topic is still until that dude with the coveted cyan name tickles our brains.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

the smash lab should probably start up soon, since they are creating a bunch of new stuff for brawl+, and there needs to be a way to organize it.

 

[Red Arremer]

Smash Lab isn't (only?) for Brawl+, though...

 

[Adapt]

I think hacking of brawl will only be a minor part of the smash lab when it is up and running.

 

[M.K]

We need some sort of objective....

.....

There is one thing that puzzles me though. How come you can DI a Ground Grab Break, But not an Aerial Grab Break?

Hmm, interesting question!
The only thing I could think of would be that the ground release triggers some sort of "You can DI now" switch in the coding while the Aerial grab break sends you a set distance before you can input commands.
If you think about it realistically, if you break free from someone on the ground, you are able to react much quicker than if someone holds you up in the air and you wiggle free and fall to the ground.
Just my two cents, I'm probably very wrong. What do you think MMac? I don't have much access to a Wii right now, so I'm sorry if this is completely misconstruted.

 

[h1roshi]

man, we should have one of these for melee way back. Cuz this is a cool idea, but its gonna be wasted on brawl.

-hiro

 

[Sukai]

Perhaps the physics of DIing is different in Brawl as DIing may relate to leaving the ground.
The air physics did indeed change in Brawl for various reasons and it not only affected the obvious, but the smaller things such as this, another thing to look into.
The true effects of the gameplay because of the new airbourne physics.

 

[MuBa]

man, we should have one of these for melee way back. Cuz this is a cool idea, but its gonna be wasted on brawl.

-hiro

Stfu will ya? -_-;

Melee is pefect as it is. Also it has a Debug menu unlike Brawl, from there you can find out hitboxes and frame data easily. With the Homebrew Channel and Ocarina/Gecko OS program, we've been able to actually change the physics to answer few of the questions that SamuraiPanda has asked.

Also we're making Brawl+ so we definitely need our own sub-forum so we can discuss the codes we need for the final release >_>

 

[Red Arremer]

man, we should have one of these for melee way back. Cuz this is a cool idea, but its gonna be wasted on brawl.

-hiro

Statements like these sure are qualifying you.

 

[M.K]

man, we should have one of these for melee way back. Cuz this is a cool idea, but its gonna be wasted on brawl.

-hiro

Didn't we just say that the Smash Lab will become anything but a Melee vs. Brawl venue?
Your statements do not bode well for you.

 

[Pr0phetic]

Arguing with him ain't helpin either lol.

@Mmac, I think it's because Aerial Grab Breaks have a set release path up to certain frame, while ground release grabs don't.

 

[Galanoth7395]

*has visions of mewtwo returning*

 

[Pr0phetic]

*has visions of mewtwo returning*

Not the thread pal. I hope Panda gets some free time this weekend.

And umm for your sig, its tertiary for third, quadrary(I think), and quintary(I think aswell)

 

[SamuraiPanda]

I'll hopefully be sending out PMs soon. I figured that instead of going through Smashboards and admitting people that are good, I can just admit the people I know are already going to make it, then have them nominate other candidates. So there will likely be two waves of entry into the Lab, the second entry coming probably mid-December.

EDIT: And the first wave will likely be quite small. I'd like to have a decent amount of active contributors after these two waves, but I have no idea how many I'll be admitting in the second wave.

 

[Vyse]

Yay SamuPan!

We had all the frame data from Melee thanks largely to Mew2King, it'll be good to have a project like this drive forward our understanding of this game. Whilst M2K has given us some good stats for Brawl, I doubt he'd give us everything again, so it's up to us to collate our knowledge.

Researcher or not, I'll do what I can to help the cause as well as soon as I get some down time (Reaching the end of a traineeship that I'm investing hours of work every day into) lol. The Smash Lab will drive us all towards a greater understanding of the game.

 

[Adapt]

Will we have a chance to show our willingness to contribute and examples of testing we have done?

Several of the potential applicants I know have threads spread throughout the different areas of smashboards. It's doubtful even a small handful of people will remember them all.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

I may have a public admissions thread concurrently with the members-only one, but I have yet to decide about that. If we need more people even after the second wave, then a public admissions thread has a good chance of happening.

 

[M.K]

I may have a public admissions thread concurrently with the members-only one, but I have yet to decide about that. If we need more people even after the second wave, then a public admissions thread has a good chance of happening.

I have a mixed opinion about public admissions.
I mean, look at the Smash Debaters. We have people with 50 posts who become Smash Debaters only for the name color.
Be wary when starting public admissions, Panda.

Spoiler

I hope he hasn't sent out PMs yet D: I haven't gotten one X/

 

[kupo15]

I have a mixed opinion about public admissions.
I mean, look at the Smash Debaters. We have people with 50 posts who become Smash Debaters only for the name color.
Be wary when starting public admissions, Panda.

Spoiler

I hope he hasn't sent out PMs yet D: I haven't gotten one X/

I have tried out to be a smash debater twice and Im still not one. I have over 2,000 good posts too..

 

[MuBa]

Well technically I'm the one who found out the situation with Dedede's chaingrab lol.

 

[SCOTU]

We had all the frame data from Melee thanks largely to Mew2King

Actually, SuperDoodleMan did most of the frame data reasearch for Melee, followed by M2K, then Me and Phanna. M2K found probably about 1/4 of the frame data.

 

[phi1ny3]

I'll hopefully be sending out PMs soon. I figured that instead of going through Smashboards and admitting people that are good, I can just admit the people I know are already going to make it, then have them nominate other candidates. So there will likely be two waves of entry into the Lab, the second entry coming probably mid-December.

EDIT: And the first wave will likely be quite small. I'd like to have a decent amount of active contributors after these two waves, but I have no idea how many I'll be admitting in the second wave.

*semi-hopes they haven't come around yet, because Phil hasn't got one, he got good data for the "quiz" and contributed, and is excited about the non-stagnant, boundary testing, and amazing discussion that will go on in the Smash Lab.*

 

[Red Arremer]

I have a mixed opinion about public admissions.
I mean, look at the Smash Debaters. We have people with 50 posts who become Smash Debaters only for the name color.
Be wary when starting public admissions, Panda.

Spoiler

I hope he hasn't sent out PMs yet D: I haven't gotten one X/

I have a pink username, but I will debate only when I feel the need to state my opinion. ^^"

Spoiler

And yes, I would be sad, because I haven't gotten one as well D:

 

[Vyse]

Actually, SuperDoodleMan did most of the frame data reasearch for Melee, followed by M2K, then Me and Phanna. M2K found probably about 1/4 of the frame data.

I realise that. Perhaps I should say 'The earliest efforts at obtaining frame data' then?

: O

 

[Pr0phetic]

I believe Panda will pick the right people, he wants to best he'll be careful about this one.

*Crosses fingers*

 

[M.K]

I believe Panda will pick the right people, he wants to best he'll be careful about this one.

*Crosses fingers*

In my opinion, he doesn't need to be TOO careful. I mean, many of the people who have posted in this thread have contributed greatly to the topics at hand. Knowing that only 7-10 of us were even discussing it prominently, I would believe that those 7-10 members should make up the first wave.

Spoiler

...and, I really hope he hasn't sent out the PMs yet. I don't think he has because nobody has gotten one yet :/

 

[crewster]

I may have a public admissions thread concurrently with the members-only one, but I have yet to decide about that. If we need more people even after the second wave, then a public admissions thread has a good chance of happening.

You should make it so that you have a public addmission but if they aren't active they get "fired".

 

[Red Arremer]

In my opinion, he doesn't need to be TOO careful. I mean, many of the people who have posted in this thread have contributed greatly to the topics at hand. Knowing that only 7-10 of us were even discussing it prominently, I would believe that those 7-10 members should make up the first wave.

Spoiler

...and, I really hope he hasn't sent out the PMs yet. I don't think he has because nobody has gotten one yet :/

Yea, even though I think that a public thread would prove to be interesting.
First of all it would benefit people who didn't come soon enough or weren't able to contribute a lot to the topic (e.g. myself >_>"), and secondly the researchers may get new ideas to look at something because the person who posts into the public thread has thought of some conclusion the researchers didn't think of.
Therefore - if this thread is used properly - new ideas and researchers would stream in, making the research more exciting, interesting and quick.

Even so, I see no reason to only throw in people who can give out straight facts - also conclusions, thoughts, and similar things should be taken into account.

I think MuBa is one of the most deserving people to be in that lab, though.

 

[crewster]

Nice Sig there Vyse!

EDIT: I mean the SBR request one, how do you make it change?

 

[Mmac]

Well... I haven't seen anyone with a Cyan Name yet, so..... yeah.

 

[Red Arremer]

Nice Sig there Vyse!

EDIT: I mean the SBR request one, how do you make it change?

It is the arcane fields of study - MAGIC! *whooosh*

 

[Vyse]

Nice Sig there Vyse!

EDIT: I mean the SBR request one, how do you make it change?

It is the arcane fields of study - MAGIC! *whooosh*

It's true.

 

[Pr0phetic]

In my opinion, he doesn't need to be TOO careful. I mean, many of the people who have posted in this thread have contributed greatly to the topics at hand. Knowing that only 7-10 of us were even discussing it prominently, I would believe that those 7-10 members should make up the first wave.

Spoiler

...and, I really hope he hasn't sent out the PMs yet. I don't think he has because nobody has gotten one yet :/

I say a little more then 10, but I completely agree. I don't even think you needed yo get it it right, just that you've done testing and have to ability to find answers, then test for the best one.

 

[M.K]

I say a little more then 10, but I completely agree. I don't even think you needed yo get it it right, just that you've done testing and have to ability to find answers, then test for the best one.

Agreed. The Smash Lab is going to be all about Trial and Error.
Showing the ability to gather, decipher, and interpret data will be the pinnacle talent of someone who would be accepted into the Smash Lab.

 

[flaco]

I will try my best sir