Q&A The Rosalina Q&A Thread

[Rango the Mercenary]

Well as far as I know all the other stages are more or less neutral for ol rozetta.

She seems to benefit more on Battlefield than Final Destination, though.

 

[mario123007]

She seems to benefit more on Battlefield than Final Destination, though.

Yeah, exactly.

 

[Foster J.]

Q: Why

 

[mario123007]

Q: Why

How was it possible? Fox was only 58%!

 

[Foster J.]

How was it possible? Fox was only 58%!

That answer to that is how you take 20 % extra knockback when charging a smash attack, and luma with insane base knockback + rage.

The question is more so as to... why can Luma dance around while Rosa is in hitstun / stunned

 

[mario123007]

That answer to that is how you take 20 % extra knockback when charging a smash attack, and luma with insane base knockback + rage.

The question is more so as to... why can Luma dance around while Rosa is in hitstun / stunned

Luma just can, especially when Luma is near Rosalina.
Luma can't do anything when Rosalina is grabbed.

 

[Deleted member]

I understand that we have a Pikachu matchup thread but it's pretty empty right now. I'm having a lot of trouble in this matchup, mainly due to Pikachu's Quick Attack. The move recovers fast and he's able to combo off of them. It's almost impossible for me to punish unless I predict where he's going to land. It seems the only kill options I have are uair and Luma jab at high percentage or a lucky smash. Should I even try to gimp? Any advice?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I understand that we have a Pikachu matchup thread but it's pretty empty right now. I'm having a lot of trouble in this matchup, mainly due to Pikachu's Quick Attack. The move recovers fast and he's able to combo off of them. It's almost impossible for me to punish unless I predict where he's going to land. It seems the only kill options I have are uair and Luma jab at high percentage or a lucky smash. Should I even try to gimp? Any advice?

We really haven't gotten anything from the Rosalina vs. Pikachu match-up, probably because it's an uncommon match-up sight.

 

[Reizilla]

Where does all of the metagame discussion go on in this board?

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Where does all of the metagame discussion go on in this board?

It died for some strange reason.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Where does all of the metagame discussion go on in this board?

Match-up discussions themselves are in the individual character threads, but it's not like things always get talked about in them. Not all fighters have been covered though, and we don't have an actual mirror match discussion thread yet.

 

[Kaladin]

Hey all. So, I'm thinking of picking up Rosa, cuz zoning is cool. Other than these FAQs and her frame data, what should I read first? Is there a general how to play guide? Thanks!

 

[GHOST4700]

When do you all usually shoot out luma for setups?

 

[sleepy_Nex]

what is the correct DI for Rosaluma's throws?

 

[GHOST4700]

any use for Short hop starbits?

 

[Parcheesy]

Hey all. So, I'm thinking of picking up Rosa, cuz zoning is cool. Other than these FAQs and her frame data, what should I read first? Is there a general how to play guide? Thanks!

Watching Dabuz's video guide is a decent place to start. I'd link it, but posting on mobile at the moment.

what is the correct DI for Rosaluma's throws?

Up throw is usually going to combo regardless, but if they're throwing in down and back throws with the hope of comboing, you'll generally get away just holding away and mashing jump or airdodge.

any use for Short hop starbits?

It's not something I'm a huge fan of, but it seems like a decent retreating option, and as long as it's safe of hit, it will always be useful as a mixup. Oh and doesn't the option desync them slightly? If so, it's a good option for the most fancy Rosa players out there.

 

[Flowen231]

Yo guys! I made a topic about this yesterday, but it was locked so I assume that I posted in the wrong place.

But anywhoo, a couple days ago I was playing with some friends, and I got luma to attack my buddy while I beat him with my wand (grab pummel).

It was a total accident, but what I want to know is why was luma attacking while I was inputting grab, and whether there's a way to repeat that consistently. Here's a video of me doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu6UxJ4ROx8&feature=youtu.be

 

[Parcheesy]

Yo guys! I made a topic about this yesterday, but it was locked so I assume that I posted in the wrong place.

But anywhoo, a couple days ago I was playing with some friends, and I got luma to attack my buddy while I beat him with my wand (grab pummel).

It was a total accident, but what I want to know is why was luma attacking while I was inputting grab, and whether there's a way to repeat that consistently. Here's a video of me doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu6UxJ4ROx8&feature=youtu.be

There's a write up on this subject somewhere on this forum ( search for luma spin ); I'd post the link, but I'm on mobile at the moment.

In short, it's possible to desynch the two characters by locking luma into its rapid jab animation. It's easy to accidentally start when inputting the jab sequence, and having only Rosalina interrupted by damage. It's an incredibly fun technique to learn in order to thoroughly style on people, so I'd recommend looking up the full write up if generally impractical and needlessly complex tech interests you.

 

[CrazyPerson]

Anyone got a good way to practice lunar landing?

Is there a better single player option than training mode?

 

[Planty]

Anyone got a good way to practice lunar landing?

Is there a better single player option than training mode?

Just practice it. A lot.

An easy way to do a LL is to do a SH Dair, but input the Dair during jumpsquat. That way, the move will come out on the first possible frame and end right before hitting the ground, allowing perfect LL. You could use Uair for this, but it's not nearly as useful and more of a situationnal thing.

 

[darkprizm47]

Luma just can, especially when Luma is near Rosalina.
Luma can't do anything when Rosalina is grabbed.

IDK about that. I've broken out of tons of grabs with luma. It may just be that I imputed the moves before I was grabbed but getting grabbed has never been an issue with me so far.

 

[mario123007]

IDK about that. I've broken out of tons of grabs with luma. It may just be that I imputed the moves before I was grabbed but getting grabbed has never been an issue with me so far.

Yeah, I think so...

 

[Planty]

@ darkprizm47 @ mario123007
If you input an attack, but Rosalina gets grabbed during the startup, Luma will still attack. However if you're already grabbed, inputting an attack won't do anything unless you're held for a certain amount of time. I'm not sure what this time is. Luma mechanics are so weird...

 

[mario123007]

@ darkprizm47 @ mario123007
If you input an attack, but Rosalina gets grabbed during the startup, Luma will still attack. However if you're already grabbed, inputting an attack won't do anything unless you're held for a certain amount of time. I'm not sure what this time is. Luma mechanics are so weird...

That's why Rosalina and Luma is hard to master.

Always remember to use Luma for surprise attacks.

 

[vegeta18]

which part of rosalina`s down air spikes?

 

[mario123007]

which part of rosalina`s down air spikes?

The center of the ring.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The center of the ring.

Actually, it's the second hitbox of the attack that has meteor smash properties.

 

[mario123007]

Actually, it's the second hitbox of the attack that has meteor smash properties.

Yep, thanks for further explanations.

 

[truecrisis]

I feel like they messed with Luma last patch. Or perhaps the Duos priority.
Rosalina has always had a slow damage output, but I was ok with this because of her priority over moves. For example, I used to be able to D-TILT Captain Falcon out of his falcon kick, but no longer can I do that. This is just one example out of many situations where I feel like shes lost a lot of power.

Perhaps my opponents have just learned to deal with her more, but I really do feel like something is off, and I'm starting to think it is that they corrected her amazing priority over other moves.

Any thoughts?

 

[Planty]

which part of rosalina`s down air spikes?

By "second hitbox" the correct answer is frame 18-22 of the attack (Rosa Dair starts frame 17)
http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Rosalina And Luma

 

[Flowen231]

There's a write up on this subject somewhere on this forum ( search for luma spin ); I'd post the link, but I'm on mobile at the moment.

In short, it's possible to desynch the two characters by locking luma into its rapid jab animation. It's easy to accidentally start when inputting the jab sequence, and having only Rosalina interrupted by damage. It's an incredibly fun technique to learn in order to thoroughly style on people, so I'd recommend looking up the full write up if generally impractical and needlessly complex tech interests you.

I read up on it on the forums, thanks for the keywords ;p. So yeah, unfortunately it's a very rare situational trick that I performed.

 

[Rango the Mercenary]

What are Rosalina's safest and unsafest moves? Does she have any aerials that auto-cancel?

 

[Flowen231]

What are Rosalina's safest and unsafest moves? Does she have any aerials that auto-cancel?

I'd say her unsafest moves are her Fair, F smash, star bits if you miss, her downB if you are too close to someone, and her upB. Her safest moves are her Dtilt, Jab1-2, Ftlt, Dsmash seems kind of safe, and her nair has very little landing lag so it's decently safe on shot hop fast fall.

As for her auto cancels, I believe that all but her Fair and Nair auto cancel from a short hop.

 

[GHOST4700]

@ Rango the Mercenary nair, bair, Dtilt, Ftilt are incredible spacing tools with Rosalina as the moves are generally fast and have big hitboxes. Dsmash and Usmash come out incredibly fast (6 and 7 frames respectively!) nair and bair auto cancel by themselves. But all can be cancelled with little to no lag with lunar landing, except for Uair. Star bits can be used to space decently well as well as luma's jab coming out really fast (4 frames!) Other Rosalina's correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[darkprizm47]

Does anyone have any good recommendations for a secondary? Every recommendation I've gotten does poorly against the match-ups I'm trying to cover (Meta Knight, ZSS, etc.) and all the match-up threads I've found conflict with each other.

 

[LightningLuxray]

ZSS really only struggles with Sheik and Pikachu, which Meta Knight can do decently against. If those are the MUs you're trying to cover, Pikachu would probably be your best bet.

Luigi is also an option to help you beat Pikachu if need be.

 

[Planty]

Mario does pretty good against about everyone too. His worst matchup is 60:40 vs Sheik and he's easy to pick up. Might wanna consider him.

 

[Zonderion]

You guys make it so tough to pick a secondary. Now I wanna try pikachu, Luigi and Mario...

 

[honeclawshonedge]

As of the latest patches, how useful is Rosalina and Luma's multi-jab trap under the lip of the stage? I want to use it often but as of now just going for a regular Dair edgeguard gets me more KOs

 

[Zonderion]

It's going to be situational. Use against Characters with really good recoveries, like Sheik or Zelda. Others that can be edge guarded with dair, keep using that.