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because his dash attack can unlink my luma and once he gets close i have a hard time getting out thanks to his strong attacks.
I had trouble with MM at first. Now I play Super aggressive with air attacks. Most of his attacks are from the ground jump over and dair and nair. Forget gp unless he fires a charge shot and it's to late to jump. If your airs are getting to him and he starts jumping you win because his airs are no where near as good as yours
Thanks for the tip man Ill be sure to apply this in my next match against a MM. My only real fear now is his bair cuz it kills at a decent % with rosalina and her height/weight.
I had trouble with a Megaman online until I learned to respect Metal Blade. It goes right through Luma, which took me about a full stock to properly appreciate and deal with. GP drops it at your feet, and I was able to pick it up and shield in time for the Top Spin punish, then do whatever. Whether it's usually safe probably depends on spacing and timing. GP has a pretty good duration so if you pop it early in anticipation it'll pull Metal Blade in at the tail end of the animation and you're free to act.
You kind of have to read his attacks but fair and Luma have priority on his spin attack I believe. I usually throw out fairs just to keep him on defense and then when he is on defense you can get aggressive
Previously on "The Rosalina Match-Up Discussion" thread:
A lot of Sonic's Smash-attacks and his back-air have quite a bit of end/landing-lag, so feel free to take advantage of that.
One match-up that I thought would be horrendously difficult is against Sonic. I personally keep making the mistake of thinking that he's not much of a threat since I'm used to Brawl, but that's a severe underestimation in Smash 3DS now that he's actually powerful. In the match-up, however, I may have overestimated Sonic's options.
Sonics looooove to approach with a Spin Dash of some sort, which has the unfortunate characteristic to be totally neutered by Star Bits. When they somehow get past the Star Bits and chase after you, shielding and responding with a down-Smash or a grab can really screw up their momentum. Sonic's really strong in the air, however, so try not to get caught when recovering or delivering your own aerials. Be liberal with your shield as Sonics attempt to hit you with practically every single kind of aerial attack followed by Homing Attack. #2fast
as I've literally NEVER encountered one on For Glory, but I would imagine that he's a better incarnation of his past selves in that he's quicker and still strong? Spacing with Luma is very important, as some players you can actually bait to chase Luma and respond accordingly with your own attacks or push away with Star Bits, but DK's dash-attack is a tad problematic much like , , , etc.
I am 1000% behind this idea. Keeps thing organized and focused, as well.Back in the Brawl days, the Wario boards made a dedicated effort to discuss every match-up they had with every other character in the game and have in-depth discussion and effort put into their match-ups. They started from the top of the tier list (in absence of this, going alphabetically would be fine) and used approximately a week or so where they contacted the character board of the char they were discussing and looked at the match-up with these members before settling on a rating.
My suggestion for you guys would be to do the same. To be able to create more accurate MU values and to keep up to date with new meta.
However the downfall of this method is it's extensive and takes time and if there is a discrepancy in time between the first character you look at and the last char you look at which exceeds half a year, it may mean new metas have evolved on a specific character board (or your own) that would affect the value of a MU you have already determined.
I believe the Wario boards took this into account by using a system where a previous rating could be brought up in the place of the next one in the case of these kinds of game-changing techniques.
Hope this helps.
Well first of all we need a solid tier list!I am 1000% behind this idea. Keeps thing organized and focused, as well.
In lieu of a tier list we can just go alphabetical or some other order that's relevant to the current meta. (Little Mac is wildly popular, for instance; learning more about his matchup would be useful in the short term.)
This is not the right place to ask. Why not make a topic about this match-up in the Rosie forums?
JamietheAuraUser
typed up a pretty extensive analysis of the Pit VS Rosalina match-up in another thread:
Keep in mind that "analysis" (more like half analysis, half rage-induced rant) is the result of me as Pit versus an obviously-very-good Rosalina player on FD, along with several matches against Level 8 CPU Rosalina on FD in an attempt to figure out what the heck Pit can even do to her. So I don't know if USmash and FSmash are unsafe on hit vs human players because that might just be the result of cheating CPU SDI. I do know that CPU Rosalina just follows me along on the ground and UTilts me forever when I'm in the air, and the player I fought did exactly what I described above to hit me when I tried to FAir him. I only really win against CPU Rosalina because the CPU is dumb enough to charge a Luma Shot in my face and let me reflect it back at her with Guardian Orbitars. A reflected Luma Shot has quite a bit of KO power as it turns out. Unlike the player I fought, the CPU also isn't consistent about negating every arrow I fire with Gravitational Pull. There's the other problem: the Palutena Bow has a lot of endlag even compared to other projectiles, which drastically limits or possibly outright negates any potential for me to bait a Gravitational Pull and use Rosalina's temporary immobility to approach.@
He's one of the worst to use against Rosalina. He's so easy to fight as her.
I agree with @
ParanoidDrone
, but I personally think in order to get the ball rolling as soon as possible that we should just start with an alpabetical list. Perhaps we could even add what we end up agreeing on as far as match-ups to the original post so people don't HAVE to sift through tons of posts to find what they're looking for, and we can organize it into the decided tiers once they become available?
I agree, this is the match up in a nutshell. Next match up please
I've had mixed results trying to GPull the hydrant. Usually it works, even after it's been placed, but sometimes it fails to get sucked in. I'm not certain it wasn't a spacing issue, but it's confused me the few times I've seen a Pac Man in FG.
It would be even more op if you could use down special before the hydrand is launched, but you need to wait until he hits it enough to send it in a mobile state, so it is in the state of a projectile. You can't use this counter until it's hit, so it's not quite as big an advantage as the side b cripple, and any character aware of Pacman hitting the hydrant can use evasive maneuvers, but it's an option many characters don't have... and one more tool Pacman can't use effectively in his arsenal for this MU.
That's the thing though, I'm 95% certain I've successfully used GPull on the hydrant after it's been placed on the ground but without Pac Man (or me) hitting it to send it flying. But it's not a sure thing for some reason.
If that is the case then we should do more testing. I'm definitely open to being wrong haha. Perhaps it's a damage requirement? Mine usually seemed to fail when it was first placed. If there is a way to pull the hydrant before it's launched that makes it all the more op a MU though. Let me know if you find out how it was done and I will do the same if I get the chance.
If you use her Down B you can stop the Fire Wall from ever existing. Even if you have to rinse and repeat, he can only cast fire spells so many times... Some play styles need to change depending on the opponent's choice. Rosa's down B predictions, or even safe calculated regular use, force Robin into a frantic melee state... which I feel Rosa and Luma could probably manage. (the same can be said about him knocking your Luma off stage so don't be too cocky, this is still a fighting game attempting balance, not exactly rock paper scissors)
I need to get better on my reaction times for Down B. He usually will use it when I'm trying to rush in, so it's hard to react, but I get what you're saying. I guess I just need to play a little safer.
Why not have a separate thread for each match up so each one can have it's own place and all match ups can be discussed simultaneously. Each one can be moderated so people stay on topic. In this thread there can be a link to each match up sorted alphabetically. This seems much more efficient for analyzing so many match ups without limiting each to a time frame. This also allows match ups to be reanalyzed as the meta changes rather than waiting for the characters to cycle back to a particular match up.
