Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[majorasmaskfan]

What if ridley got in but he got falcondorfed like he was just a straight up non luigified charizard clone or hell lets get fun hes a rosalina clone cause sakuria enjoyed the fan fiction. how would you guys feel about that

 

[Deleted member]

There's got to be some authorizaton aspect in there too, so maybe Adam could play a DK-esque role instead. Maybe he could authorize Freeze Guns or Power Bombs if you land on his space.

Yeah that makes more sense. All the other playable characters can be the hunters I guess.

 

[Morbi]

What if ridley got in but he got falcondorfed like he was just a straight up non luigified charizard clone or hell lets get fun hes a rosalina clone cause sakuria enjoyed the fan fiction. how would you guys feel about that

I would be fine with that as I intended to main Charizard now that the detrimental and parasitic aspects of his character are finally removed. So instead of Charizard, I would just represent our boy/girl, Ridley!

 

[PowerBomb]

Does anyone believe that Sakurai's hyping Ridley up as a stage hazard? 'Cause I feel like he believes people are hyped to see him as a stage hazard. It feels like something he'd do, to be honest.

 

[Luigi#1]

What if ridley got in but he got falcondorfed like he was just a straight up non luigified charizard clone or hell lets get fun hes a rosalina clone cause sakuria enjoyed the fan fiction. how would you guys feel about that

Ridley and Little Ridley confirmed.

 

[majorasmaskfan]

Ridley and Little Ridley confirmed.

Don't you mean metal baby little ridley?

Does anyone believe that Sakurai's hyping Ridley up as a stage hazard? 'Cause I feel like he believes people are hyped to see him as a stage hazard. It feels like something he'd do, to be honest.

sakuria is a great developer but hes up on a high horse and I mean he deserved to be on one but cause of it it causes him not to realist a lot of what fans of all variety may want and how they specifically want it. I wish Nintendo tried to better communicate with its fans. Maybe we would have a new metriod by now.

 

[Sigran101]

Why is Ridley not on the same level as Bowser? Does he need to be featured as a Gamepad exclusive character in a Metroid party game for it to happen?

Why is Ridley not on the same level as Bowser? Does he need to be featured as a Gamepad exclusive character in a Metroid party game for it to happen?

I am very tired of explaining this, so please, anyone who sees posts about the subject just look back to this.

I realize that Ridley is the main villain of metroid.
I support him for smash bros.
It obvious to any player going into most any mario game knowing nothing of the series that bowser is the main villain of mario.
It is not obvious for any player going into most any metroid game knowing nothing about the series that Ridley is the main villain of metroid.
For this reason arguing with detractors that assuming they know Ridley is on the same level as bowser is generaly useless. A lot of the detractors just don't realize Ridley is that important to metroid, even if they realize that he is the main villain, they don't see him as on bowsers level.

That's all I tried to say.
Please stop talking about this guys. I'm tired of it.

 

[Morbi]

Does anyone believe that Sakurai's hyping Ridley up as a stage hazard? 'Cause I feel like he believes people are hyped to see him as a stage hazard. It feels like something he'd do, to be honest.

Not really; it is counter-intuitive to the notion of hype. He already revealed Ridley as a boss in this hypothetical instance; therefore there is no hype to be attained that was not already attained.

 

[Deleted member]

I vote Kraid as the "host" of Metroid Party, the one to offer "clever" commentary and give handouts to the players that are losing.

Actually, screw that, Kraid should be a stage, with the map covering his stomach and head, and if you land on an Event Space, he sweeps his hands across part of the board throwing players back to the beginning and rearranging parts of the board.

So in his place I vote Crocomire as the host, anyone have pictures of Crocomire in a festive hat?

I vote either a top hat like MC Ballyhoo:

Or one of those spinny propeller hats:

Also, what would Ridley's mini-games be?

 

[NintenRob]

Mewtwo is not a villain and Dedede hardly count as one nowadays. But yeah, having all of them in Smash would be noice.

Implying Pidgeot, Altaria, Moltres, Staraptor and Honchkrow aren't awesome.

Nah, just implying that Charizard isn't a dragon

 

[Morbi]

I am very tired of explaining this, so please, anyone who sees posts about the subject just look back to this.

I realize that Ridley is the main villain of metroid.
I support him for smash bros.
It obvious to any player going into most any mario game knowing nothing of the series that bowser is the main villain of mario.
It is not obvious for any player going into most any metroid game knowing nothing about the series that Ridley is the main villain of metroid.
For this reason arguing with detractors that assuming they know Ridley is on the same level as bowser is generaly useless. A lot of the detractors just don't realize Ridley is that important to metroid, even if they realize that he is the main villain, they don't see him as on bowsers level.

That's all I tried to say.
Please stop talking about this guys. I'm tired of it.

First of all, if you are tired of explaining "this" you are not obligated to. That is your prerogative, good sir!

Secondly, that is your subjective opinion; objective fact dictates that Ridley is on par with Bowser regardless of how you feel about it. I apologize, but that is the truth. In fact, it was obvious to me (a non-Metroid fan) that Ridley was indeed the main antagonist. So that is what I might refer to as a hasty generalization fallacy.

Also Ridley is actually BIGGER than Bowser.

 

[Phaazoid]

First of all, if you are tired of explaining "this" you are not obligated to. That is your prerogative, good sir!

Secondly, that is your subjective opinion; objective fact dictates that Ridley is on par with Bowser regardless of how you feel about it. I apologize, but that is the truth. In fact, it was obvious to me (a non-Metroid fan) that Ridley was indeed the main antagonist. So that is what I might refer to as a hasty generalization fallacy.

Also Ridley is actually BIGGER than Bowser.

I think what he's trying to say that if you took a random sample of people more of them would know who bowser is than Ridley

he's inherently right because mario is so much bigger of a franchise than metroid. You're also inherently right, because Ridley is too big.

gg

 

[The King of Skulls]

"You dingusez, Ridley is a boss 0n Pyrosphere becuz Samurai said so in the Direct, you idiotz! He'z 2 big! G0sh, be gr8ful he's in the game, you skrub casualz."

~Pretty much every anti-Ridley comment on Miiverse in a nutshell.

 

[Deleted member]

"You dingusez, Ridley is a boss 0n Pyrosphere becuz Samurai said so in the Direct, you idiotz! He'z 2 big! G0sh, be gr8ful he's in the game, you skrub casualz."

~Pretty much every anti-Ridley comment on Miiverse in a nutshell.

I didn't realize all the Miiverse kids spoke in L33TSP34K*, I thought it was only the COD kiddies that did that.

*L33TSP34K = LEETSPEAK

I thought the Miiverse kiddies were more like:

"PLZZZZ SAKURAI ADD IN GOKU FROM DBZ AND LUFFY FROM ONE PIECE!!!!! PLEASE SAKURAI PLZ!!!!!!!"

And yes, this is actually a rough quote from a Miiverse user I saw sometime back named Adriel, he does this ALL THE TIME in the PotD comments.

The Ridley comments are more like:

"Ridley is too big and is boring, please don't add him Sakurai!"

Or for today's PotD:
"Clearly today's pic has nothing to with Ridley, get over it stupid Ridley fanboys."

 

[Sigran101]

First of all, if you are tired of explaining "this" you are not obligated to. That is your prerogative, good sir!

Secondly, that is your subjective opinion; objective fact dictates that Ridley is on par with Bowser regardless of how you feel about it. I apologize, but that is the truth. In fact, it was obvious to me (a non-Metroid fan) that Ridley was indeed the main antagonist. So that is what I might refer to as a hasty generalization fallacy.

Also Ridley is actually BIGGER than Bowser.

I was about to try to explain again, but now I'm just going to say I support Ridley, I do think he's as important to metroid as bowser is to mario. That's all you need to know. At this point, since I'm obviously terrible at explaining things, I just ask everyone to just forget I said anything on the matter.

 

[NintenRob]

Please, Thats hardly the worst argument I've heard for a character not to be playable. I would say he is joking looking at the way he types.

One guy said to me "R.O.B. will be cut, its so obvious" Ask for reasoning and he says "Another character will replace him and you can look at my past posts to see who" And I think he meant Miis would replace him....

Logic can not exist in Miiverse.

 

[The King of Skulls]

I didn't realize all the Miiverse kids spoke in L33TSP34K*, I thought it was only the COD kiddies that did that.

*L33TSP34K = LEETSPEAK

I thought the Miiverse kiddies were more like:

"PLZZZZ SAKURAI ADD IN GOKU FROM DBZ AND LUFFY FROM ONE PIECE!!!!! PLEASE SAKURAI PLZ!!!!!!!"

And yes, this is actually a rough quote from a Miiverse user I saw sometime back named Adriel, he does this ALL THE TIME in the PotD comments.

The Ridley comments are more like:

"Ridley is too big and is boring, please don't add him Sakurai!"

Or for today's PotD:
"Clearly today's pic has nothing to with Ridley, get over it stupid Ridley fanboys."

l33tsp34k used to emphasize stupidity of arguments without doing much work. I don't go to Miiverse often enough, just on the occasion when the PoTD is about Pyrosphere.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Ok just for shekels im going to use todays potd and work on what i think ridley size is according to the shadow.

It will be here eventually.

 

[Snagrio]

You know, I do find it odd how Sakurai has brought up size so much. Surely they all can't be subtly pointing to Ridley, so what's with him bringing it up so much? Did he mention size a lot during the Brawl speculation era besides Little Mac's AT debut?

 

[StupendousMike]

Don't you mean metal baby little ridley?
sakuria is a great developer but hes up on a high horse and I mean he deserved to be on one but cause of it it causes him not to realist a lot of what fans of all variety may want and how they specifically want it. I wish Nintendo tried to better communicate with its fans. Maybe we would have a new metriod by now.

I don't quite understand this, at least in regards to Ridley. Mega Man and Little Mac are almost certainly in this game due to fan support, same as Sonic in Brawl. Sakurai definitely listens to fans, but that doesn't mean he has to be a slave to us.

And fan communication has little to do with why Metroid has been quiet for the last couple of years. Metroid has never really been all that big in Japan, and even here in the States its fairly niche compared to Mario, Zelda and Pokemon. As far as Nintendo is concerned, they put out Other M, a game that its easy to forget actually got mostly solid reviews, and it didn't do very well. From a financial "we're running a business here" standpoint, it makes perfect sense why Metroid isn't super high on their priority list right now.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Ok just for shekels im going to use todays potd and work on what i think ridley size is according to the shadow.

It will be here eventually.

Ooh, goody! Let's compare sizes afterward!

 

[NintenRob]

You know, I do find it odd how Sakurai has brought up size so much. Surely they all can't be subtly pointing to Ridley, so what's with him bringing it up so much? Did he mention size a lot during the Brawl speculation era besides Little Mac's AT debut?

Rosalina is very tall. The Pic of the day was most likely a call back to when he said Rosalinas got height. And characters in general are taller this time around.

How tall is Samus compared to Bowser in this game?

 

[Snagrio]

I don't quite understand this, at least in regards to Ridley. Mega Man and Little Mac are almost certainly in this game due to fan support, same as Sonic in Brawl. Sakurai definitely listens to fans, but that doesn't mean he has to be a slave to us.

And fan communication has little to do with why Metroid has been quiet for the last couple of years. Metroid has never really been all that big in Japan, and even here in the States its fairly niche compared to Mario, Zelda and Pokemon. As far as Nintendo is concerned, they put out Other M, a game that its easy to forget actually got mostly solid reviews, and it didn't do very well. From a financial "we're running a business here" standpoint, it makes perfect sense why Metroid isn't super high on their priority list right now.

Even so, character requests aren't necessarily tied to actual franchise fanbase majority. As an example here some of us are not really Metroid fans but nonetheless are actively advocating his long awaited playable inclusion. Even though the Metroid franchise isn't all that popular in comparison to industry giants like Mario or Pokemon, Ridley himself has gained quite a following.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Welcome, new Ridley supporter (right), have fun and don`t even try to escape this thread. Its hard to do.

@ AndreaAC , i nearly finished your references.

So who here wants Ridley to be a playable character because it seems right and fitting, and who wants him in because they just really want him in? Or both?

Both. Before going to Metroid Wiki, i just wanted to play as him in any fighting or action or metroid game...i was pretty young when i saw him 1st time. Then, i visited Metroid Wiki (3 years after seeing Ridley for 1st time) and since then i want him to be playable because he deserves it and i want him as a playable character. And that is also reason why i made 2 Ridleys for MUGEN.

 

[Deleted member]

Rosalina is very tall. The Pic of the day was most likely a call back to when he said Rosalinas got height. And characters in general are taller this time around.

How tall is Samus compared to Bowser in this game?

Fairly similar:

Bowser is bent downwards slightly more here, but they are still quite similar in terms of height.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I've never had close connections to the Metroid series and was always WAY too freaked out as a kid to ever want to actually play Super Metroid. I do recall seeing someone escape from Planet Zebes at the end and I knew about Samus' death animation but that was about it.

However, I've been intrigued by all the requests for playable Ridley in Smash Bros. and I really think he deserves to be playable. Recently playing Super Metroid myself (finally) I think he does look pretty epic in that game, too.

EDIT: Now DONKEY KONG COUNTRY, on the other hand, I played to death when I was a kid, far more than even Mario or Sonic. So naturally K. Rool is my top pick for this game, but I really want Ridley as well mainly because he deserves it.

 

[NintenRob]

I have come up with an argument that destorys the too big argument once and for all.

People say Ridley would look weird next to Samus as the same height, well guess what?

Rosalina & Bowser completely destroy that argument, unless you count the end where she makes herself bigger, Bowser has always been bigger then her but now they are the same height.

Thank you my grace, shall you help my current most wanted soar into battle.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I have come up with an argument that destorys the too big argument once and for all.

People say Ridley would look weird next to Samus as the same height, well guess what?

Rosalina & Bowser completely destroy that argument, unless you count the end where she makes herself bigger, Bowser has always been bigger then her but now they are the same height.

Thank you my grace, shall you help my current most wanted soar into battle.

Sakurai's comment about the Living Room already destroyed that argument.

 

[AndreaAC]

Welcome, new Ridley supporter (right), have fun and don`t even try to escape this thread. Its hard to do.

@ AndreaAC , i nearly finished your references.


Both. Before going to Metroid Wiki, i just wanted to play as him in any fighting or action or metroid game...i was pretty young when i saw him 1st time. Then, i visited Metroid Wiki (3 years after seeing Ridley for 1st time) and since then i want him to be playable because he deserves it and i want him as a playable character. And that is also reason why i made 2 Ridleys for MUGEN.

yay! thank you a lot!!!

 

[NintenRob]

Sakurai's comment about the Living Room already destroyed that argument.

"But everything within a series has to be scaled together, King Dedede is still bigger then Kirby"

 

[Angelglory]

Rosalina is very tall. The Pic of the day was most likely a call back to when he said Rosalinas got height. And characters in general are taller this time around.

How tall is Samus compared to Bowser in this game?

Viola

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Sakurai's comment about the Living Room already destroyed that argument.

N0P3, H3 1Z ST1L T0 B1G AND STUP1D AN7WA7! 1 WANA GOKU AND MAST3R CH13F 1ST3AD! PLZ SAKURA1 AD H1M!
*idio- regular detractor mode off*
Duh.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

The Nintendogs argument is irrelevant because everyone and everything but the stage and the stage hazards are supposed to look small like that. Every character and item are supposed to look minuscule in comparison to the dog and toys. Sure, there's the Nintendog Assist Trophy but again, that's an Assist, a separate entity than a stage hazard, also scaled alongside the characters. And why are the characters scaled? They're trophies. Why are the items scaled? To fit the size of the characters. Are stages/stage hazards trophies? No. Does everything need to be up to scale together? No. But the character and items sizes are and have to be scaled together. The stages and stage hazards are sized how they are sized.

KAPOWIE, BIG BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS.

 

[NintenRob]

Viola

Well, thats quite impressive, A Ridley the size of bowser would look great, He is still taller then Samus and can still be quite menacing,

Its like characters were sized up just so Ridley could work.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

KAPOWIE.

The quote of the PotD itself is what destroys argument...actually, Sm64sh and Melee already did that.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

Remember that he said they "aren't always up to scale." "Aren't always." Which means it isn't definitive, and not all the time, but at times. If "always" were true then we could see Olimar the size of Bowser, and that would look objectively wrong wouldn't it? There is a limit to who is a big boi and who isn't, and obviously DK, Bowser, Dedede, Charizard, etc. have to be big bois. Have to. Mario can't be a big boi. Peach can't be a big boi ('cause she's a girl and girls aren't bois). Rosalina could be a "big boi" (even though she's a girl..."big girl," maybe?) because she is big in Super Mario Galaxy, the game she debuted in. Who else can't be a big boi...Pikachu can't be a big boi. Kirby can't be a big boi. There is a limit. "Things aren't always up to scale" but there's got to at least be some rational scaling and sizing going on.

 

[Malkior7]

I wouldn't mind there being a Metroid prime Ridley alternate skin

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Remember that he said they "aren't always up to scale." "Aren't always." Which means it isn't definitive, and not all the time, but at times. If "always" were true then we could see Olimar the size of Bowser, and that would look objectively wrong wouldn't it? There is a limit to who is a big boi and who isn't, and obviously DK, Bowser, Dedede, etc. have to be big bois. Have to. Mario can't be a big boi. Peach can't be a big boi ('cause she's a girl). Rosalina could be a big boi because she is big in Super Mario Galaxy.

Those that doesn`t have to be resized (Snake, Sonic, Mario, Luigi, Peach, Rosalina (?), Link, Zelda, etc) can stay up to their original scale. But there is a lot of those that don`t (Lucario, Pikachu, Bowser, Samus, Ganondorf, Kirby characters, Olimar, etc) because it would make them either too small to be visible (or hit by someone) or too big to fit in certain stages (Giga Bowser can`t go through certain parts of Hyrule Temple). So, they resize them whenever they want. And previous games (64 - in the intro; Melee - when match starts and appearance of Giga Bowser; Brawl - just Subspace Emissary) already showed us that none of the characters are really those that we see in their games - Mario can team up with Ganondorf and Bowser to beat Toon Link, Peach or Luigi if player wants it to happen. All of the characters in this games are trophies/toys, so, their canonical size means nothing here.
EDIT: didn`t noticed that you edited your post. Even then, why can`t Ridley be a big boi then if someone who has same size (Ganondorf...at least in TP...i guess...and Bowser) or even bigger (Bowser) CAN? It makes no sense.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Those that doesn`t have to be resized (Snake, Sonic, Mario, Luigi, Peach, Rosalina (?), Link, Zelda, etc) can stay up to their original scale. But there is a lot of those that don`t (Lucario, Pikachu, Bowser, Samus, Ganondorf, Kirby characters, Olimar, etc) because it would make them either too small to be visible (or hit by someone) or too big to fit in certain stages (Giga Bowser can`t go through certain parts of Hyrule Temple). So, they resize them whenever they want. And previous games (64 - in the intro; Melee - when match starts and appearance of Giga Bowser; Brawl - just Subspace Emissary) already showed us that none of the characters are really those that we see in their games - Mario can team up with Ganondorf and Bowser to beat Toon Link, Peach or Luigi if player wants it to happen. All of the characters in this games are trophies/toys, so, their canonical size means nothing here.
EDIT: didn`t noticed that you edited your post. Even then, why can`t Ridley be a big boi then if someone who has same size (Ganondorf...at least in TP...i guess...and Bowser) or even bigger (Bowser) CAN? It makes no sense.

Technically Sonic is taller in Smash Bros. than he should be in theory. The rest are very accurate, though.

 

[AustarusIV]

Viola

So Bowser was shrunk down then? Or Samus was sized up to be eye-to-eye with him?

From the looks of things, you're going to have to revise the size comparisons, Angelglory.