Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Swamp Sensei]

Is painful a euphemism for productive, in this instance?

Progress is always painful!

 

[BKupa666]

Why not do both at the same time?

Combined it'd be super duper painful!

To be capable of such gluttony for punishment, your girth would have to be of Roolian proportions.

 

[AndreaAC]

More random stuff with Ridley and Roidley...

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Remember how Ridley can cast a "Protective Aura" from Other M?
This could be his DOWN SPECIAL: Aura Surge
Ridley presses both of his hands to the ground and concentrates to generate a protective aura.

Hold down special for longer aura duration. At full power, the aura can last up to 10 seconds.

While the aura is in-effect, Ridley's attacks get stronger and faster and ALL PROJECTILES (even thrown items) are reflected

The move can even be used as a quick Projectile counter, similar to Fox's Down Special


Basically, Ridley's Aura Surge could be a combination of these:

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That sounds pretty good for one of Ridley's moves. What impresses me more than Ridley's design is what his fans can come up with when it comes to movesets and ways that he stacks up to other characters.

 

[The King of Skulls]

Oh hey...

Ike's back! Cool.

Anyways, only a few more days till E3. The hype is real.

 

[lilt]

I strongly believe a certain character is a boss on Pyrosphere.

A thing that (I think) nobody mentioned before, that reinforces your point:
In Other M, the crack in the hole is caused by Ridley when he escapes right after the fight with Samus.
If Ridley indeed would be a boss, why would he return to the Powerplant, after the fight took place already?
This argument would be nothing, if we saw the Pyrosphere without cracks and holes.
That would mean Ridley had to create them first.
But even the Final Destination version has them, in which Ridley can't appear as a hazard.

Wall while the fight takes place (no hole):

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Ridley escapes:

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Ridley leaves his mark in the wall:

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Considering how much the Smash series emphasizes details,
it would be legitimate to animate a cracking wall in the background,
if Ridley would be the stage hazard of Pyrosphere and he flees trough it.
Even Melee had animations in the background (Kraid's stage, Termina stage),
so it wouldn't be that absurd to do.

Another thing to note: If you had to destroy Ridley just like Yellow Devil to cause an explosion,
the cracks and holes wouldn't have to be there at all. He'd die before he could escape.

 

[Zem-raj]

2 and a half weeks, and only 11 "Pic of the Day" updates left, until E3. I talked about Ridley with someone who wasn't quite a supporter (though he's neutral, not a TooBigot). He seems kind of convinced that it's still possible for Ridley to be playable, after we had discussed some of the information that we've seen and posted about, I think he's hoping there'll be good news for Ridley for E3. On the side note, I had this weird dream last night, I can't really remember much about it, but what I do remember was that it turned into a nightmare. I saw a list, what seemed to be relating to Smash Bros. updates (like PotD), and Ridley was mentioned on there, but it wasn't a very nice title to say the least... ;~;

 

[MasterOfKnees]

2 and a half weeks, and only 11 "Pic of the Day" updates left, until E3. I talked about Ridley with someone who wasn't quite a supporter (though he's neutral, not a TooBigot). He seems kind of convinced that it's still possible for Ridley to be playable, after we had discussed some of the information that we've seen and posted about, I think he's hoping there'll be good news for Ridley for E3.

It's pretty interesting how I hear about a lot of people that are neutral towards Ridley think he still has a chance. Even as someone who's been a hardcore supporter of Ridley for as long as I have I can't help but feel he's completely deconfirmed. I always try and remove my bias, and I'm sure even if I didn't support him I'd still label him as deconfirmed. I guess some people just have more faith in Sakurai than I do.

Either way, no doubt we'll see him at E3.

Btw, I was reading up on the cast for the new Star Wars films, and one of the actors are named Daisy Ridley. When I read the sentence "Ridley is a newcomer" my heart automatically jumped even if I knew it had nothing to do with that Ridley. Found it kind of funny, some things will never be the same with so many years of support behind my back.

 

[lilt]

I still wonder why Pikachu's tail is straight there...

Because it is. The shadow is a bit lengthened by the light source. Me myself drew this masterpiece.

 

[OblivionWolf]

Because it is. The shadow is a bit lengthened by the light source. Me myself drew this masterpiece.

Im still not sure look here. Ridley's tail being stretched making it look like Pikachu's. See how the tail is fatter at the top and gets skinner as it goes down? Thats why I think the higher the clearer the shadow and the lower the more stretched.

http://gfycat.com/SentimentalBronzeIndianrhinoceros#?frameNum=124&speed=0.125

 

[Dark Phazon]

I personally think the unfinished theory is worthless. We've seen time and time again in PotDs that Sakurai clearly isn't shy to show us some unfinished aspects; in fact he said so himself that images shown are all work in progress and that changes over the developmental period are eminent. So the whole argument that Ridley just simply wasn't ready for a reveal doesn't make any sense, especially given how far along the game is anyway.

Dunno if its me But Ike looks abit less detailed than others

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Dunno if its me But Ike looks abit less detailed than others

It's a tailbone. I doubt one can make white bones more interesting to look at. It does have the red thing on top.

Im still not sure look here. Ridley's tail being stretched making it look like Pikachu's. See how the tail is fatter at the top and gets skinner as it goes down? Thats why I think the higher the clearer the shadow and the lower the more stretched.

http://gfycat.com/SentimentalBronzeIndianrhinoceros#?frameNum=124&speed=0.125

Hybrid design confirmed?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Other M Ridley's tail uniform in size?

 

[The King of Skulls]

Hybrid design confirmed?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Other M Ridley's tail uniform in size?

The Ridley Hybrid dream exists(possibly maybe somewhat?)!

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

The Ridley Hybrid dream exists(possibly maybe somewhat?)!

And another reason for playability; Why change the design of a boss?

 

[OblivionWolf]

It's a tailbone. I doubt one can make white bones more interesting to look at. It does have the red thing on top.



Hybrid design confirmed?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Other M Ridley's tail uniform in size?

I found this picture. If you wanna look at his tail look here. Also you can see the shadow's of his 2 feet (There both being stretched out abit so you really can't make out his toes)

He is mostly if not all Other M design. Only thing new we can tell is the added purple color to his tail bone and he is much smaller and skinnier.

 

[lilt]

Im still not sure look here. Ridley's tail being stretched making it look like Pikachu's. See how the tail is fatter at the top and gets skinner as it goes down? Thats why I think the higher the clearer the shadow and the lower the more stretched.

http://gfycat.com/SentimentalBronzeIndianrhinoceros#?frameNum=124&speed=0.125

Could be either way. It's really hard to see. I saw the "bolt chape" of Pikachu's tail, otherwise it could be Ridley's tail looking like it, due to the uneven ground. Your're probably right. 17 days mate!

 

[Chase]

Guys, there is an attack I don't recognize in this photo. Could it be coming from Ridley?

 

[OblivionWolf]

Guys, there is an attack I don't recognize in this photo. Could it be coming from Ridley?

The purple line? No characters with counters have neat affects. Nothing Ridley related is going on.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

The purple line? No characters with counters have neat affects. Nothing Ridley related is going on.

Wolfy.. he's trolling, bud.

Considering how much the Smash series emphasizes details,
it would be legitimate to animate a cracking wall in the background,
if Ridley would be the stage hazard of Pyrosphere and he flees trough it.
Even Melee had animations in the background (Kraid's stage, Termina stage),
so it wouldn't be that absurd to do.

Another thing to note: If you had to destroy Ridley just like Yellow Devil to cause an explosion,
the cracks and holes wouldn't have to be there at all. He'd die before he could escape.

Well, there's a few things to consider here:

1.) The hole could be where Ridley flies back into the battlefield through. Note that most bosses are likely to follow the trend of having visual/auditory cues before their arrival; for example, Yellow Devil can be seen rising in pieces from Wily's Castle in the background. I don't find it entirely far fetched that we could see a boss/stage hazard Ridley fly through the hole. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the hole was created AFTER Ridley's arrival, though safe money's on the hole being there the entire time to show when Ridley's coming.

2.) The 'attention to detail' thing is a problem with the Pyrosphere hole. The hole stretches off into oblivion, but through the actual hole we normally have:

So the attention to detail argument kinda goes flying right out the window. Another thing I'd like to point out is this:

The size and shape of the hole is clearly inconsistent. Of course, this was something like nine months ago so who knows, but I feel this is more indicative of Ridley smashing into the battlefield from the outside. If I'm wrong about anything here, totally cool with people stepping up to clarify.

3.) It's entirely possible that the 'boss explosion' thing is only unique to Yellow Devil and not Ridley. In that case, Ridley might just be one of our first cases of interactive stage hazard.

 

[OblivionWolf]

Wolfy.. he's trolling, bud.



Well, there's a few things to consider here:

1.) The hole could be where Ridley flies back into the battlefield through. Note that most bosses are likely to follow the trend of having visual/auditory cues before their arrival; for example, Yellow Devil can be seen rising in pieces from Wily's Castle in the background. I don't find it entirely far fetched that we could see a boss/stage hazard Ridley fly through the hole. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the hole was created AFTER Ridley's arrival, though safe money's on the hole being there the entire time to show when Ridley's coming.

2.) The 'attention to detail' thing is a problem with the Pyrosphere hole. The hole stretches off into oblivion, but through the actual hole we normally have:

So the attention to detail argument kinda goes flying right out the window. Another thing I'd like to point out is this:

The size and shape of the hole is clearly inconsistent. Of course, this was something like nine months ago so who knows, but I feel this is more indicative of Ridley smashing into the battlefield from the outside. If I'm wrong about anything here, totally cool with people stepping up to clarify.

3.) It's entirely possible that the 'boss explosion' thing is only unique to Yellow Devil and not Ridley. In that case, Ridley might just be one of our first cases of interactive stage hazard.

There are two holes.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb.../14/WiiU_SuperSmashBros_Stage05_Screen_01.jpg

Same with FD version. Unless Ridley is so rebel that he says "Screw the rules your not safe even in FD!!!!"

http://smashbros-miiverse.com/images/daily/final-destination-3.jpg

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

Wolfy.. he's trolling, bud.



Well, there's a few things to consider here:

1.) The hole could be where Ridley flies back into the battlefield through. Note that most bosses are likely to follow the trend of having visual/auditory cues before their arrival; for example, Yellow Devil can be seen rising in pieces from Wily's Castle in the background. I don't find it entirely far fetched that we could see a boss/stage hazard Ridley fly through the hole. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the hole was created AFTER Ridley's arrival, though safe money's on the hole being there the entire time to show when Ridley's coming.

2.) The 'attention to detail' thing is a problem with the Pyrosphere hole. The hole stretches off into oblivion, but through the actual hole we normally have:

So the attention to detail argument kinda goes flying right out the window. Another thing I'd like to point out is this:

The size and shape of the hole is clearly inconsistent. Of course, this was something like nine months ago so who knows, but I feel this is more indicative of Ridley smashing into the battlefield from the outside. If I'm wrong about anything here, totally cool with people stepping up to clarify.

3.) It's entirely possible that the 'boss explosion' thing is only unique to Yellow Devil and not Ridley. In that case, Ridley might just be one of our first cases of interactive stage hazard.

I think that Ridley-sized hole in the wall is a boxing-ring "Lil' Mac isn't playable lol" distraction-type thing.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

There are two holes.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb.../14/WiiU_SuperSmashBros_Stage05_Screen_01.jpg

Same with FD version. Unless Ridley is so rebel that he says "Screw the rules your not safe even in FD!!!!"

http://smashbros-miiverse.com/images/daily/final-destination-3.jpg

Huh. You're right. That's weird. Not sure why I didn't notice that.

Still, the attention to detail thing still stands. There's no really, really long hole.

I think that Ridley-sized hole in the wall is a boxing-ring "Lil' Mac isn't playable lol" distraction-type thing.

I think it's simpler than that, since I expect the worst, but glad to see other people are confident about it.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

There are two holes.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb.../14/WiiU_SuperSmashBros_Stage05_Screen_01.jpg

Same with FD version. Unless Ridley is so rebel that he says "Screw the rules your not safe even in FD!!!!"

http://smashbros-miiverse.com/images/daily/final-destination-3.jpg

I know if thats where Ridley comes out how is the holes still there, on thr final destination version.

I knew about this the whole time.

 

[OblivionWolf]

I know people are so blind if thats where Ridley comes out how is the holes still there, on thr final destination version.

I knew about this the whole time.

Another interesting thing is in the Ridley shadow footage we can't see the holes cuz of the camera view.

Be kinda neat if when you play as Ridley on that stage the holes could not be there to avoid a time paradox.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Anyhow, I think that Ridley's design might have changed a little.
From what we see of Ridley's tail shadow, it's lacking ridges, as seen in the Other M models Angelglory provided.
Of course, shadow blurring might make them appear straight, or perhaps the tail is straight seeing it from above or below...

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Anyhow, I think that Ridley's design might have changed a little.
From what we see of Ridley's tail shadow, it's lacking ridges, as seen in the Other M models Angelglory provided.
Of course, shadow blurring might make them appear straight, or perhaps the tail is straight seeing it from above or below...

Yea i think so too his mouth might be slightly more dragon like than duck like than in other m

Another interesting thing is in the Ridley shadow footage we can't see the holes cuz of the camera view.

Be kinda neat if when you play as Ridley on that stage the holes could not be there to avoid a time paradox.

Double post

Good thinking the hole could be gone when ridley is on the stage.

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

Yea i think so too his mouth might be slightly more dragon like than duck like than in other m


Double post

Good thinking the hole could be gone when ridley is on the stage.

But...Didn't Ridley create the hole in Other M? Or have the events in Other M not happened yet for that Ridley? (I'm really bad as Metroid lore, sorry, guys.)

 

[DustyPumpkin]

The Hole is actually there cause Ridley gets a special Stage entrance
Everything solved

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

But...Didn't Ridley create the hole in Other M? Or have the events in Other M not happened yet for that Ridley? (I'm really bad as Metroid lore, sorry, guys.)

When he escaped the pryosphere is when he made that hole, the hole was never there while samus was fighting ridley.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Using Ridley's tail, I have made Ridley as friggin huge as possible.

Can anyone help verify whether Pikachu, Samus, and Bowser are their correct proportions?

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

The Hole is actually there cause Ridley gets a special Stage entrance
Everything solved

This. This is genius.

 

[Deleted member]

Using Ridley's tail, I have made Ridley as friggin huge as possible.
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Can anyone help verify whether Pikachu, Samus, and Bowser are their correct proportions?

Well for Samus and Bowser:

Obviously Bowser is a little more crouched over than Samus here, but it can still be inferred that their heights are fairly similar so with regards to what you have of Samus and Bowser I think Samus would be a bit taller than how you have her.

 

[HugoBoss]

Does some kind soul want to lend a Ridley support icon?

 

[Gaxel]

Didn't Sakurai say something like all characters are 60 fps while everything else is 30 fps?

Is there a way to see Ridley's shadow's fps somehow through YouTube's fps compression? xD

 

[AustarusIV]

Didn't Sakurai say something like all characters are 60 fps while everything else is 30 fps?

Is there a way to see Ridley's shadow's fps somehow through YouTube's fps compression? xD

I really doubt non-playable characters would run at 30 FPS on the Wii U version.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Using Ridley's tail, I have made Ridley as friggin huge as possible.
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Can anyone help verify whether Pikachu, Samus, and Bowser are their correct proportions?

That picture makes it seem like Ridley is getting...excited

Anyway, based on my great mood with Ike today, I just wanted you guys to know that I do give you guys credit for sticking it out. I'm glad that you guys still have hope in a character like you do, and I don't want you guys to think I'm against Ridley and don't want him playable. I know I'm in here all the time and making arguments as to why he is a stage hazard (because honestly, I DO think he's a stage hazard/boss/thing), but I'm only doing that to create counter arguments, mainly because I don't want all other possibilities ruled out, because that can be a dangerous thing sometimes.

Basically, when I come in here, I'm not posting these things to be a ****. I really do give you guys credit, because if I had a character I liked as much as you guys liked Ridley, I might be in the same position. I'm one of the lucky few who would be satisfied with all the newcomers in Sal Romano's leak, even if Ridley and K.Rool don't make it. But do know that I don't come in here and comment like I do because I hate you guys or anything.

I'll be totally honest though. For awhile, I thought you guys were crazy and just being flat out in denial. However, while I maintain my stance that I believe he is a stage boss, I do not hold it against you to want to know Ridley's fate, and trying so hard to prove it. It's human nature. We want all the answers, especially when it can hit so deep.

So, should good luck come this way, it will be nice to see Ridley playable. If not, then I'll let you guys know now that while it will probably sting all the worse because of the effort, you guys are good fans through and through.

 

[Gaxel]

I really doubt non-playable characters would run at 30 FPS on the Wii U version.

True, I know in the 3DS version npcs go at 30 fps but, I don't recall what he said about Wii U...

 

[ddd87]

I know if thats where Ridley comes out how is the holes still there, on thr final destination version.

I knew about this the whole time.

An incredibly simple explanation is that the hole is a static background detail, its there from the start of the match. Ridley doesnt have to open it, he just flies through it.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

True, I know in the 3DS version npcs go at 30 fps but, I don't recall what he said about Wii U...

If I were someone who was competing with some other HQ consoles, I would attempt to make everything look as quality and awesome as possible

 

[AustarusIV]

That picture makes it seem like Ridley is getting...excited

Anyway, based on my great mood with Ike today, I just wanted you guys to know that I do give you guys credit for sticking it out. I'm glad that you guys still have hope in a character like you do, and I don't want you guys to think I'm against Ridley and don't want him playable. I know I'm in here all the time and making arguments as to why he is a stage hazard (because honestly, I DO think he's a stage hazard/boss/thing), but I'm only doing that to create counter arguments, mainly because I don't want all other possibilities ruled out, because that can be a dangerous thing sometimes.

Basically, when I come in here, I'm not posting these things to be a ****. I really do give you guys credit, because if I had a character I liked as much as you guys liked Ridley, I might be in the same position. I'm one of the lucky few who would be satisfied with all the newcomers in Sal Romano's leak, even if Ridley and K.Rool don't make it. But do know that I don't come in here and comment like I do because I hate you guys or anything.

I'll be totally honest though. For awhile, I thought you guys were crazy and just being flat out in denial. However, while I maintain my stance that I believe he is a stage boss, I do not hold it against you to want to know Ridley's fate, and trying so hard to prove it. It's human nature. We want all the answers, especially when it can hit so deep.

So, should good luck come this way, it will be nice to see Ridley playable. If not, then I'll let you guys know now that while it will probably sting all the worse because of the effort, you guys are good fans through and through.

I know how it must feel too. After all, aren't/weren't you a Ridley supporter as well?

That's one of the best things that I like about Smash speculation, even if it ends up being painful in the end.