Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[pupNapoleon]

'Hey, that isn't Ridley, it's the new and improved Falco.'
This thread is absolutely ridiculous...

I cannot wait until Ridley is just revealed and all of this can shut up.
Seriously, unsure if Pikachu is picked up?
Even if he didnt, clearly Ridley attempts to pick Pikachu up- Pikachu even runs away being CHASED.
If you refuse to believe Pikachu is not grabbed, not being chased, you better damn well not have a problem believing Sakurai is trolling and teasing out Ridley (for every clear answer that he would not be so intentionally angering fans).

The shadow is not too big.
Ridley is not too big.
The game is not made for playstation.
Master Chief is still out.


Seriously, what is this thread now?

 

[AustarusIV]

Sorry, I cleaned it up a bit, hopefully it's easier to read.

No, that height is considering he IS hunched over, meaning he would be even taller if he was standing straight.

I've always known that there can be characters that are potential bigger than Bowser in SSB. But the way you made that picture makes it seem too good to be true. :/

 

[SchAlternate]

No, that height is considering he IS hunched over, meaning he would be even taller if he was standing straight.

Oh dear.

But, how exactly you got those proportions? Sorry if I don't get it, geometry is not exactly my forte. If that's even a matter of geometry.

 

[AndreaAC]

Its a classic brotherly bonding story.

The elder is wiser of the ways of the world, and utterly loathes his younger self.

The younger is more naive and innocent, and looks up to his older self out of respect and fear, but not affection.

And at the moment they finally grow to accept each other, Samus blows one of them to smithereens, causing the other to attempt avenging his brother's death.

O___O I think I'm going to have a bit of problems with the "avenging" part.....

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Not that size arguments are gonna get us anywhere, especially not when they're based on moving shadows,

but I'm preeetty sure Bowser is bigger than that. Sakurai made a point of demonstrating that he's bigger than in previous installments:

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And here's him on Pyrosphere, compared to Samus (who you can also compare to the orange square):

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[NastCF]

Oh dear.

But, how exactly you got those proportions? Sorry if I don't get it, geometry is not exactly my forte. If that's even a matter of geometry.

It's a bit complicated, but well, I found the exact position of Ridley's shadow like this:

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Then I figured out how big a shadow of Bowser would be on this stage using that screenshot that has Fox casting a shadow as reference.

Then using some perspective stuff, I positioned Ridley's shadow to overlap Bowser's so that they can be compared accurately. The mistake I made originally was that I compared their sizes without having in mind that, because Ridley's shadow was farther from Bowser's, it looked smaller than it actually was.

Then I rotated the little squares in the picture 45 degrees so that they are exact measurements, and compared them.

...I get the feeling I didn't explain myself well at all. xD

@ TeenGirlSquad I actually wanted to use that picture of Bowser on Pyrosphere as reference, but I couldn't exactly pinpoint the shape of the shadow, so I didn't think it was appropriate. I agree the picture I made might not be 100% accurate, though.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

O___O I think I'm going to have a bit of problems with the "avenging" part.....

Or have Ridley dance on Roidley's grave, either/or.

But seriously, they would make a great brains/brawn duo. Like George and Lenny!

 

[TewnLeenk]

Judging by how jerky Ridley's movement in that Pikachu pick up clip was, he moves like playable character.

 

[NastCF]

I might try to revise the analysis picture, in case Bowser actually is bigger than I made him to be, but it'll have to be tomorrow cause I gotta go to sleep. X_X

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I might try to revise the analysis picture, in case Bowser actually is bigger than I made him to be, but it'll have to be tomorrow cause I gotta go to sleep. X_X

Bah. Sleep is for the weak and delusional.

 

[AndreaAC]

Or have Ridley dance on Roidley's grave, either/or.

But seriously, they would make a great brains/brawn duo. Like George and Lenny!

Knowing how Ridley actually is.....it would be the dance on his weird clone's grave....but I will think about it on make it the other way xD

 

[BKupa666]

Some guy on GameFAQs claimed that, at the beginning of the clip, it looks as though Ridley's shadow is entering from the background and, that, at the clip's end, it looks as though his shadow is returning to the background. Can anyone with better vision of the clip determine whether there's any validity to these claims?

 

[Bravetriforcer]

Some guy on GameFAQs claimed that, at the beginning of the clip, it looks as though Ridley's shadow is entering from the background and, that, at the clip's end, it looks as though his shadow is returning to the background. Can anyone with better vision of the clip determine whether there's any validity to these claims?

He's a known Ridley-hater who tries his best to assert any possible point as being against Ridley. All I'm seeing is Ridley moving left and the shadow being a shadow.

 

[BKupa666]

He's a known Ridley-hater who tries his best to assert any possible point as being against Ridley. All I'm seeing is Ridley moving left and the shadow being a shadow.

I wasn't talking about that troll, there was some guy earlier in the thread as well. It doesn't look that way to me, but I wanted to seeking additional input just in case.

 

[Deleted member]

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xD I think I'm starting to like doing those interactions between Ridley and Roidley....

Why stop there? Bring in Ridley-X to complete the family.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Why stop there? Bring in Ridley-X to complete the family.

Doesn't the X Parasite KILL Roidley in the process of becoming Ridley X?

 

[Deleted member]

Doesn't the X Parasite KILL Roidley in the process of becoming Ridley X?

Doesn't Zebes KILL Ridley in the process of blowing up before Roidley's conception?


....though to be serious, "Roidley" was already dead before the X-Parasite got to him. It absorbed DNA from his dried frozen corpse and caused it to shatter.

 

[AndreaAC]

Why stop there? Bring in Ridley-X to complete the family.

xD Ridley-X canonically is Roidley so.....It would be a time paradox I guess...and Ridley-X is too hard to draw....I have only drew him once....

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Doesn't the X Parasite KILL Roidley in the process of becoming Ridley X?

If you go by Other M, Roidley was already killed by the Queen Metroid.

 

[Deleted member]

xD Ridley-X canonically is Roidley so.....It would be a time paradox I guess...and Ridley-X is too hard to draw....I have only drew him once....

No, Neo Ridley/Ridley-X is an X-Parasite using "Roidley's" DNA to take his form. Just like SA-X and Dark Samus are not Samus, but other lifeforms taking on Samus' form by absorbing DNA.
I believe I've been over this before.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Oh, I figured he'd somehow survived being killed and was cryogenically frozen or some BS

 

[SchAlternate]

Either way, I doubt Ridley would want to deal with his ZOMBIFIED clone, he can't even stand the other one!

 

[Deleted member]

Either way, I doubt Ridley would want to deal with his ZOMBIFIED clone, he can't even stand the other one!

Especially one that don't take no **** from no one, screams like a banshee, and swears like a sailor.

 

[AustarusIV]

Some guy on GameFAQs claimed that, at the beginning of the clip, it looks as though Ridley's shadow is entering from the background and, that, at the clip's end, it looks as though his shadow is returning to the background. Can anyone with better vision of the clip determine whether there's any validity to these claims?

It doesn't really look that way to me. In fact, I'm a bit worried that Ridley's animations in that shadow seemed...limited. That they don't look as detailed as Pikachu's walking mode.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Why not add in Meta Ridley for good measure

 

[AndreaAC]

Either way, I doubt Ridley would want to deal with his ZOMBIFIED clone, he can't even stand the other one!

Exactly......so I'm still going with Ridley and naïve Roidley....until Roidley dies

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think there is one major problem with the shadow math.

Thing is...we don't know how high he is. That will affect the shadow in several wonky ways.

Then lighting.

Then angles.

So... I wouldn't rely on shadow math.

 

[Bravetriforcer]

I think there is one major problem with the shadow math.

Thing is...we don't know how high he is. That will affect the shadow in several wonky ways.

Then lighting.

Then angles.

So... I wouldn't rely on shadow math.

Never trust a mathematical calculation without all the variables, children.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Never trust a mathematical calculation without all the variables, children.

I think at this juncture I'm mostly just going to wait and see what comes out of E3. The speculation is fun, though.

 

[AustarusIV]

I think I can safely say that he's fairly close to the ground.

I mean, as soon as Pikachu is out of the screen, Ridley comes flying (or hopping, I dunno) in and we can see his wings and stinger tail for a brief moment before they disappear. I seriously doubt he's far away in the air from the platform, because we wouldn't have been able to get a glimpse of his body at all.

But Other M!Ridley was never a particularly huge character to begin with (in fact, he's among the smallest bosses in the game), so it makes sense if he wasn't as big as his Brawl counterparts.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

So do you think Ridley will be the only new villain and heavyweight we get?

 

[ChunkyBeef]

I think I can safely say that he's fairly close to the ground.

I mean, as soon as Pikachu is out of the screen, Ridley comes flying (or hopping, I dunno) in and we can see his wings and stinger tail for a brief moment before they disappear. I seriously doubt he's far away in the air from the platform, because we wouldn't have been able to get a glimpse of his body at all.

I'm probably wrong about it, but it looks like Ridley comes flying in. The animation is strange, like he's holding his body upward and staying in one place while wings flap to keep him there (like, for say, an easily controllable recovery move), then it looks like he roars, and after a short moment goes to give chase to Pikachu. I can see the move also doubling as an air grapple move (or another special being an aerial grab), 'cause it doesn't look like Ridley ever touches the ground.

That's just my two cents. X3

So do you think Ridley will be the only new villain and heavyweight we get?

Assuming we GET Ridley, I'd say K. Rool's probably got a fair shot. Villains need love, too.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Assuming we GET Ridley, I'd say K. Rool's probably got a fair shot. Villains need love, too.

Well, I think we will probably get a new DK rep, but it's between him and Dixie.

 

[AustarusIV]

So do you think Ridley will be the only new villain and heavyweight we get?

I want to say that King K. Rool is likely, given that we have the Kremlings in Smash Run, but I don't want to get too overly optimistic. I remember getting extremely hyped for Ridley in Brawl when his theme music and home stage (Norfair) were posted on the Dojo, only to get crushed when I found out he wasn't playable.

If neither K. Rool or Ridley are revealed to be playable at E3, then I don't know what to say anymore.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

GUYS

What if Other M Ridley was deliberately made bulky and muscled so that he could be reasonable scaled down without looking fragile as a twig?

 

[Bravetriforcer]

GUYS

What if Other M Ridley was deliberately made bulky and muscled so that he could be reasonable scaled down without looking fragile as a twig?

I think that point was made waaaaaay back in 2010.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

I want to say that King K. Rool is likely, given that we have the Kremlings in Smash Run, but I don't want to get too overly optimistic. I remember getting extremely hyped for Ridley in Brawl when his theme music and home stage (Norfair) were posted on the Dojo, only to get crushed when I found out he wasn't playable.

If neither K. Rool or Ridley are revealed to be playable at E3, then I don't know what to say anymore.

I'll have a pretty good idea of what to say.

It'll be something along the lines of, 'It's time Sakurai stepped down from Smash.' When you stop listening to your fans for your crossover fighter when you've blatantly acknowledged several times that you're aware certain characters are desired and, instead, put in Wii Fit Trainer and Chorus Men, well.. shoot, it might be time for fresh talent to take a crack at paying attention to the consumer.

 

[Baskerville]

Fun fact: In the Japanese version of the trailers, those splash pages basically say the same thing:

Villager joins the battle!
Mega Man joins the battle!
Rosalina joins the battle!
Little Mac joins the battle!
Greninja joins the battle!

So because we're lucky English speakers, the odds of a size joke on Ridley's debut trailer are incredibly high.

Ridley makes his BIG debut!

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I'll have a pretty good idea of what to say.

It'll be something along the lines of, 'It's time Sakurai stepped down from Smash.' When you stop listening to your fans for your crossover fighter when you've blatantly acknowledged several times that you're aware certain characters are desired and, instead, put in Wii Fit Trainer and Chorus Men, well.. shoot, it might be time for fresh talent to take a crack at paying attention to the consumer.

At the time, I think he was kinda oblivious to fan demand because Twitter and Miiverse hadn't been created yet. And to be fair, I wasn't expecting Ridley either.

But Other M has passed, Samus stupidly acknowledged why Ridley is so dangerous and awesome and important to Metroid, and Saks has been teasing the fans for ages about what the hell Pyrosphere does.

If they're not playable at E3, I expect at the very least for them to be final unlockable characters that Sakurai wanted kept under wraps.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Sorry, I cleaned it up a bit, hopefully it's easier to read.

No, that height is considering he IS hunched over, meaning he would be even taller if he was standing straight.

Don`t forget that he also had large wings visible in his shadow.

xD Ridley-X canonically is Roidley so.....It would be a time paradox I guess...and Ridley-X is too hard to draw....I have only drew him once....

Ridley-X isn`t Roidley nor he is Ridley. He is an X-Parasite that took his form with DNA and escaped the room. So, when Samus was fighting him, Roidley`s shattered frozen dried corpse still was in that room.
EDIT: D`oh! I didn`t noticed that it already was said that he isn`t same thing.