Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[M15t3R E]

Oh, THAT was the video you were talking about!

...

Dude, just what the hell did you thought we were arguing about for the last hundred pages? Pumpkins?

I was part of the argument but probably not in the last 100 pages. Has that video I brought up been discussed already? What did those who still think Ridley will be a playable character think about it? To me, it seems as though Sakurai is shouting at the top of his lungs, "Ridley will be a boss character once again".

 

[Sehnsucht]

I was part of the argument but probably not in the last 100 pages. Has that video I brought up been discussed already? What did those who still think Ridley will be a playable character think about it? To me, it seems as though Sakurai is shouting at the top of his lungs, "Ridley will be a boss character once again".

Just to let you know, I used the mailing info found on your Facebook profile to send you an actual written letter in response to this post, as I suspect it might be more to your pace.

Expect that within 4-5 business days.

 

[SchAlternate]

All shadows and no ridley makes me...something something...

Go crazy...?

Oh, CRA--

 

[majora_787]

I am still astonished at people who take being vague as a factual declaration. Like without resorting to these weird conspiracies like Alfonzo swaps and multiple Ridleys and Ridley whispering or whatever, basic observational skills reveal a lot of problems with this "reveal". I wish I could make my quotes bigger. Can I do that? I think so.

"Reveal"

There we go.

 

[M15t3R E]

Just to let you know, I used the mailing info found on your Facebook profile to send you an actual written letter in response to this post, as I suspect it might be more to your pace.

Expect that within 4-5 business days.

I'll take that as a yes.
Though I just skimmed several pages before page 600 and haven't discovered why some people are still insistent that Ridley will be a playable character. I am not interested enough to continue to search for the answer so if people like you choose to be sarcastic rather than helpful I'll just go do something else.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Just to let you know, I used the mailing info found on your Facebook profile to send you an actual written letter in response to this post, as I suspect it might be more to your pace.

Expect that within 4-5 business days.

This was the most hillarious burn I've ever seen!

Still, don't burn people.

I'll take that as a yes.
Though I just skimmed several pages before page 600 anf havent found why some people are still insistent that Ridley will be a playable character. I am not interested enough to continue till search for the answer so if people like you choose to be sarcastic rather than helpful I'll just go do something else.

The main crux of the argument can be found here.

 

[Sehnsucht]

I'll take that as a yes.
Though I just skimmed several pages before page 600 and haven't discovered why some people are still insistent that Ridley will be a playable character. I am not interested enough to continue to search for the answer so if people like you choose to be sarcastic rather than helpful I'll just go do something else.

>8D

Also, here's a recap of the last 100 maybe pages:

Sakurai's handling of Ridley and information surrounding his role in Smash 4 has been curiously oblique. If Ridley is a (Boss) Hazard, then it makes no sense to not explicitly confirm as much, especially since he's a largely popular and requested character.

That is, unless:

-There is something exceedingly special about Hazardley in particular (that will be revealed at a later date).
-Sakurai has strange ideas about fans being excited about the prospect of Vanilla Hazardley, hence why he continues to hype him up.
-Ridley is in fact playable, hence the continued indirect/implicit allusions, even at this late stage.

Cue 100 pages of video and image analyses, cross referencing of past and present Ridley arguments and counterarguments, and so forth, all while we wait for E3 to come around with the hope that we'll understand why Sakurai's approach to Ridley is as puzzling as it's been.

This information was already enclosed in your letter, but I've already sent it, so.

This was the most hillarious burn I've ever seen!

Still, don't burn people.

If I weren't so hot, maybe it'd be easier.

But duly noted, my most affable of sirs.

 

[M15t3R E]

The main crux of the argument can be found here.

Thanks for being helpful. What I got out of that is that Ridley could be a stage hazard/boss and character. Sure, why not. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not Sakurai thinks one Nintendo character should perform 3 roles at once to please his fans. Sounds like a bit much but we'll see.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Thanks for being helpful. What I got out of that is that Ridley could be a stage hazard/boss and character. Sure, why not. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not Sakurai thinks one Nintendo character should perform 3 roles at once to please his fans. Sounds like a bit much but we'll see.

Three roles?

At most, you would have two roles -- Other M Ridley being the Pyrosphere Boss Hazard, and some other incarnation or design of Ridley being the playable character (with or without Hazardley being swapped out with someone else if Playable Ridley enters Pyrosphere).

Though of course, some find this notion disagreeable (i.e. Ridley and Hazardley coexisting on the same stage). I'm not opposed to it, as it would mean Playable Ridley, but there certainly is the risk of surreality in this scenario.

 

[M15t3R E]

Three roles?

At most, you would have two roles -- Other M Ridley being the Pyrosphere Boss Hazard, and some other incarnation or design of Ridley being the playable character (with or without Hazardley being swapped out with someone else if Playable Ridley enters Pyrosphere).

Though of course, some find this notion disagreeable (i.e. Ridley and Hazardley coexisting on the same stage). I'm not opposed to it, as it would mean Playable Ridley, but there certainly is the risk of surreality in this scenario.

Three roles assuming there is a return of boss battles or story mode in the next game. The video with Sakurai stated there would be boss characters. So a stage hazard, a boss character and playable character. I'm not opposed to it but it's pushing the envelope a bit.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I do find one thing odd...

Why hype up Ridley if you're not going to make him playable? Part of an already revealed stage isn't hypeable. Or at the very least, not enough to cause advertising to actually focus on it. The direct was incredibly odd on a psychological level. I mean, they....

1. Quickly change the topic when everything else is given so much information.
2. Avoid making direct statements in regards to Ridley or Pyrosphere, even when everything else is relatively clear and blunt.
3. Continues to speak in vague uncertainties in an attempt to keep secrets when the information provided SHOULD convey all that is needed to make a conclusive answer.

This is weird.

Three roles assuming there is a return of boss battles or story mode in the next game. The video with Sakurai stated there would be boss characters. So a stage hazard, a boss character and playable character. I'm not opposed to it but it's pushing the envelope a bit.

There is no story mode anymore. And Sakurai said that the boss characters would fight on the stages during normal gameplay, so he would only have two roles.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Three roles assuming there is a return of boss battles or story mode in the next game. The video with Sakurai stated there would be boss characters. So a stage hazard, a boss character and playable character. I'm not opposed to it but it's pushing the envelope a bit.

Adventure Mode Boss, Stage Hazard, and Playable Character would be overdoing it, I agree.

At maximum, we would get two out of the above three. Though I'd also think that if Ridley is a Hazard, he wouldn't be an Adventure Mode boss, or vice-versa.

In fact, I wonder if including these "Boss Hazards" (and Bosses-As-Stage-Hazards***) means that the single player modes (Adventure, Classic) will not have any actual bosses (outside of Master and Crazy Hand in Classic Mode).

***We have Yellow Devil, Koume & Kotake, the Dark Emperor, and potentially Ridley (and maybe others I'm forgetting). Lots of bosses are being used for hazards this time, it seems.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

***We have Yellow Devil, Koume & Kotake, the Dark Emperor, and potentially Ridley (and maybe others I'm forgetting). Lots of bosses are being used for hazards this time, it seems.

Don't forget the possibility of the Animal Crossing Shark!

Frankly a bizarre but awesome choice.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Don't forget the possibility of the Animal Crossing Shark!

Frankly a bizarre but awesome choice.

I'll be sure to jump over the Shark with Wii Fit Trainer when I get my hands on the game.

 

[M15t3R E]

I do find one thing odd...

Why hype up Ridley if you're not going to make him playable? Part of an already revealed stage isn't hypeable. Or at the very least, not enough to cause advertising to actually focus on it. The direct was incredibly odd on a psychological level. I mean, they....

1. Quickly change the topic when everything else is given so much information.
2. Avoid making direct statements in regards to Ridley or Pyrosphere, even when everything else is relatively clear and blunt.
3. Continues to speak in vague uncertainties in an attempt to keep secrets when the information provided SHOULD convey all that is needed to make a conclusive answer.

This is weird.



There is no story mode anymore. And Sakurai said that the boss characters would fight on the stages during normal gameplay, so he would only have two roles.

Are you saying that Sakurai is hyping up Ridley? Seems to me that only fans are giving him hype. And I didn't know there would be no story mode. I do hope for an adventure mode reminiscent of Melee's.

 

[AustarusIV]

Viridi's another one. Don't forget her.

Also, I was thinking about Hazardly. If Ridley is going to be treated in the same manner as Toon Link, then I was speculating that if playable!Ridley was on the Pyrosphere, then another Ridley would take his place. But what kind of Ridley, you may ask? Why, possibly the Ridley Robot that's encountered at the end of Zero Mission!

It's been confirmed by Sakamoto in an interview that the robot version of Ridley was incomplete, as it was missing its walking units and flying units. There is nothing that could stop Mecha-Ridley from doing what the "Stage Hazard" Ridley could do in-game. Not to mention it makes more sense than using Super Metroid!Ridley as the playable character (which is unfortunate for some). Also, it's made an appearance in Nintendo Land for the Wii U.

This is all just mere speculation, but I had fun thinking about this while I was away from the forum. It's also something that I would love to see again, after its reappearance in Nintendo Land.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Are you saying that Sakurai is hyping up Ridley?

In a way... maybe?

He's being really weird about this.

And if what he's trying to imply is all there is to it, then why act the way he is? His behavior isn't being logical.

Seems to me that only fans are giving him hype.

Can you give good counterpoints to those points then?

Now, mind you, I'm not stating RIDLEH CUNFURMED!111 or anything like that. I'm just stating something I find odd.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Adventure Mode Boss, Stage Hazard, and Playable Character would be overdoing it, I agree.
In fact, I wonder if including these "Boss Hazards" (and Bosses-As-Stage-Hazards***) means that the single player modes (Adventure, Classic) will not have any actual bosses (outside of Master and Crazy Hand in Classic Mode).

But what if there is still Boss Battles mode?

Are you saying that Sakurai is hyping up Ridley? Seems to me that only fans are giving him hype. And I didn't know there would be no story mode. I do hope for an adventure mode reminiscent of Melee's.

There is a lot of Ridley fans and just those who likes thing like him (not as much as ridley fans of course). So, Sakurai is hyping up Ridley in some way (either as a boss or as a playable character)...i guess...just because Ridley has fans it doesn`t means only they would like to play as him. I liked how he looked and then started to like him before even realizing that he has a personality, he is sentient and that Samus isn`t a robot/cyborg/man.

 

[OblivionWolf]

Thanks for being helpful. What I got out of that is that Ridley could be a stage hazard/boss and character. Sure, why not. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not Sakurai thinks one Nintendo character should perform 3 roles at once to please his fans. Sounds like a bit much but we'll see.

What alot of us believe is there is no stage hazard Ridley and what we seen in the direct was the playable characters shadow.

 

[Kind Dedede]

Ridleys shadow is the hazard, while Ridley is playable. Duh!

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Do you mean he is fast or that he is as fast as walking Pikachu? I understood only that Ridley is crawling really fast and that there is at least 1 boss or something that moves faster than playable characters.

Hm...where and how did you found this rare card?

This ridley in this is faster than samus in this game crawling and flying

And this ridley is as fast as pikachu in this game flying and hes not dashing thats dedinatly the fasted walk speed if playable telling by his body form when moving

 

[Dark Phazon]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_iiE_5lwlzo

I wonder what Sm4sh's version is gonna be like

 

[BaganSmashBros]

This ridley in this is faster than samus in this game crawling and flying

And this ridley is as fast as pikachu in this game flying and hes not dashing thats dedinatly the fasted walk speed if playable telling by his body form when moving

So, it can`t be a boss unless they decided to make him slow which isn`t impossible?

 

[OblivionWolf]

This ridley in this is faster than samus in this game crawling and flying

And this ridley is as fast as pikachu in this game flying and hes not dashing thats dedinatly the fasted walk speed if playable telling by his body form when moving

And Sakurai said it himself if Ridley was playable he would need to be alittle slow. I say our Smash 4 Ridley is just as Sakurai said he would be.

This could be a good sign.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

So, it can`t be a boss unless they decided to make him slow which isn`t impossible?

Thats correct why make him slower than before. I mean i do see ssb4 ridley slower than the brawl ridleys

But there are boss's slower than character in some games (but those guys are either stationary or identical speed or just titan sized)

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Thats correct why make him slower than before. I mean i do see ssb4 ridley slower than the brawl ridleys

But there are boss's slower than character in some games (but those guys are either stationary or identical speed or just titan sized)

Making Ridley slow is absurd since he is known for his speed too...right?

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Making Ridley slow is absurd since he is known for his speed too...right?

Well yea but some adjustments have to be made to make characters playable besides super smahs bros sonic is like 40x slower than the sonic from other games

To explain on the mario kart stage in brawl explain to me why sonic can't out run the go karts when they go off the ramp when sonic is running on the top part

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Well yea but some adjustments have to be made to make characters playable besides super smahs bros sonic is like 40x slower than the sonic from other games

I meant if he is a boss since bosses don`t need that much balance. They clearly made him fast in Brawl, but IF he is a boss and he IS slow, then WTF?

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I meant if he is a boss since bosses don`t need that much balance. They clearly made him fast in Brawl, but IF he is a boss and he IS slow, then WTF?

Yes exactly

 

[Lolo Lolo]

Ehi guys I thought about something during these days and ,if i'm not wrong , shokio got an invitation fot the E3 ...
so shokio is one of the 16 players of the "Smash Invitation" ... but why did they call him ?

think 2 are the ways :
1- Masahiro thinks Ridley's too big so he wants to thank one of the most iconic toobigots
2- Ridley is playable, Masahiro is going to reveal him at E3 and he wants to see his face when it will happen ()

 

[Dark Phazon]

Well yh....but not as absurd really as weak tail whip mewtwo and fat slob drunkenforf.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Well yh....but not as absurd really as weak tail whip mewtwo and fat slob drunkenforf.

It would be boring if Mewtwo would use only psychic attacks and i agree that Ganondork was kinda bad idea. There was one Project M alt PSA that game him ability to use sword in same way as Samus` beam switching taunt. It even game him MSH Doctor Doom`s strong crouching punch instead of down tilt kick.

 

[OblivionWolf]

Another size comparison thing cause why not. lol

Mother Brain's shadow.

http://youtu.be/6IRta_ieYTY

Ridley's Shadow.

http://i.imgur.com/L3Xzet9.jpg

Ridley's shadow can easily fit inside the Pyrosphere's center heptagon and Mother Brains cannot. So we can easily say Ridley is smaller then Mother Brain. This also again shows just how zoomed in on the Ridley shadow is. I'd say Ridley is half the size of Mother Brain without a doubt.

 

[Snagrio]

OM Ridley and the original Ridley are and at the same time aren't the same character in the literal sense. Link and Toon Link have the same situation; besides the name both are technically the same person in a different incarnation (Young Link drives this home even further).

So with two Links fighting each other I don't see how two Ridleys (one playable, one hazard) flying around at the same time is a problem.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Another size comparison thing cause why not. lol

Mother Brain's shadow.

http://youtu.be/6IRta_ieYTY

Ridley's Shadow.

http://i.imgur.com/L3Xzet9.jpg

Ridley's shadow can easily fit inside the Pyrosphere's center heptagon and Mother Brains cannot. So we can easily say Ridley is smaller then Mother Brain. This also again shows just how zoomed in on the Ridley shadow is. I'd say Ridley is half the size of Mother Brain without a doubt.

...you know...those analyzes is making me think that he just can`t be a boss. But since its still possible, i will try to believe it less even if it makes no sense.

OM Ridley and the original Ridley are and at the same time aren't the same character in the literal sense. Link and Toon Link have the same situation; besides the name both are technically the same person in a different incarnation (Young Link drives this home even further).

So with two Links fighting each other I don't see how two Ridleys (one playable, one hazard) flying around at the same time is a problem.

Casual players will think its same thing since not everyone knows who is Ridley and that he had a clone. Toon Link looks like chibi version of Link, but a little bit different, so, he is a lot more different than Roidley is.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Another size comparison thing cause why not. lol

Mother Brain's shadow.

http://youtu.be/6IRta_ieYTY

Ridley's Shadow.

http://i.imgur.com/L3Xzet9.jpg

Ridley's shadow can easily fit inside the Pyrosphere's center heptagon and Mother Brains cannot. So we can easily say Ridley is smaller then Mother Brain. This also again shows just how zoomed in on the Ridley shadow is. I'd say Ridley is half the size of Mother Brain without a doubt.

Got you covered

Yep mother brain is bigger

 

[Snagrio]

Casual players will think its same thing since not everyone knows who is Ridley and that he had a clone. Toon Link looks like chibi version of Link, but a little bit different, so, he is a lot more different than Roidley is.

Who cares what the casuals think?

 

[Dark Phazon]

It would be boring if Mewtwo would use only psychic attacks and i agree that Ganondork was kinda bad idea. There was one Project M alt PSA that game him ability to use sword in same way as Samus` beam switching taunt. It even game him MSH Doctor Doom`s strong crouching punch instead of down tilt kick.

Barrier (could be really unique to work in many ways)
Swift (Eh...maybe to cheap)
ice beam
thunderbolt

Ugh...theres so many to list...but yh.....i get you

@ Snagrio Samus & ZSS enough said.....

 

[OblivionWolf]

Got you covered

Yep mother brain is bigger

Thank you sir. Man dat zoom though.....Thats just so zoomed in on idk how anyone can't find that suspicious. Like we have said before the zoom is making the tailbone seem WAAAAY bigger then it actually is. No way the tailbone is bigger then the whole shadow lmao.

 

[Deleted member]

Got you covered

Yep mother brain is bigger

This is the best news I had so far, how could a "boss" be smaller than Mother Brain? Especially that in the games he is always bigger than her, Ridley has been re-sized to an extent of being smaller than MB(not OM MB), I wonder if Sakurai reads this thread