Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[andimidna]

I hope Sakurai trolls us and only shows Mega Mushroom Ridley in his reveal trailer.

 

[domriver]

Mega Mushroom and Ridley hmmmm interesting combo. jejej

 

[Glyphoscythe]

I hope Sakurai trolls us and only shows Mega Mushroom Ridley in his reveal trailer.

While fighting on the smallest stage.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Me too. There is certainly nothing worse than a space dragon tripping balls.

I thought Sakurai confirmed that there would be no tripping in SSB4.

 

[Xhampi]

The point, you missed it.

No I didn't :

 

[Diddy Kong]

I-...

Ok.

 

[AndreaAC]

Did I mess up the term? Is it Giant or Mega Mushroom? XS

I also dread the sight of Ridley on Mushrooms.

"Mushrooms?.....I think I'm more in the mood for a cookie..."

xD Sorry....I NEED COOKIES....

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Felicafan444 made a video about this historical sakurai quote

 

[Diddy Kong]

You mean saying Ridley is all but confirmed now because of this update doesn't make you look balantly stupid?

 

[Deleted member]

If people can get away with saying the statement on Pyrosphere's reveal means Ridley is all but confirmed to be a hazard, don't see how this update makes the opposite side any more stupid.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You mean saying Ridley is all but confirmed now because of this update doesn't make you look balantly stupid?

Yeah.

It's just like the people who insist that the picture of the Phantom means no Sheik!

Wait a minute....

Spoiler

#sorrynotsorry

 

[Sehnsucht]

You mean saying Ridley is all but confirmed now because of this update doesn't make you look balantly stupid?

Those who subscribe to this notion are certainly jumping the gun.

For the record, I see Sakurai's caption merely as one further piece of information that can be used to argue in favour of Ridley's case (in addition to all existing arguments in his favour).

If people are excited, however, it is only because Ridley's case is already fairly strong, and Sakurai has only aided to make it stronger. The question being bandied about is how can Ridley possibly not get in at this point, with all the merits backing him?

At this point, only technical/developmental limitations - or Sakurai's opinions on Ridley's playable feasibility being vastly different from that of the Smash (/Ridley) fanbase - could serve to prevent Ridley from making the cut.

 

[Diddy Kong]

At least Phantom is / could be related to Zelda's specials. Also, all other Specials outside Down B have been shown.

Here, Sakurai was just staying the obvious: characters are small, dogs are big.

 

[SchAlternate]

Here, Sakurai was just staying the obvious: characters are small, dogs are big.

And that Smash doesn't give a jack about canon sizes, too.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

At least Phantom is / could be related to Zelda's specials. Also, all other Specials outside Down B have been shown.

Here, Sakurai was just staying the obvious: characters are small, dogs are big.

I'm offical concluding your one of the people who refuse to surrender that the war of the ridley is too big. That just got ended by the man himself today

At this point Ridley will be in but at what category is the question (assist trophy/stage hazard on the pyrosphere/or the one everyone is hoping for playable)

 

[Diddy Kong]

Am not saying too big. Never did. Ridley has enough issues aside from size, and people who overlook this, too bigots and Ridley supporters alike, are just not seeing things objectively.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Am not saying too big. Never did. Ridley has enough issues aside from size, and people who overlook this, too bigots and Ridley supporters alike, are just not seeing things objectively.

What issues does Ridley have that could prevent his playable inclusion, with or without size concerns? I'd be interested to know.

Not to speak for others, but I would prefer not to be overlooking something important.

 

[SchAlternate]

...

I'm not entirely sure what to say about this.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Balance issues. Hardly any Japanese support. Metroid's controversiality in Japan. The newcomer of choice for the Metroid series being Zero Suit Samus in Brawl.

Then there's Cracks & Holes.

 

[SchAlternate]

Hardly any Japanese support. Metroid's controversiality in Japan.

Little Mac.

That is all.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Never heard about Punch Out being less popular in Japan, or Little Mac being less requested.

 

[Grimnir]

Balance issues. Hardly any Japanese support. Metroid's controversiality in Japan. The newcomer of choice for the Metroid series being Zero Suit Samus in Brawl.

Then there's Cracks & Holes.

This is a misconception that will just not die.

Metroid is LESS popular in Japan than the west. The idea that nobody likes Metroid in Japan is silly. Metroid games still sell in the 10,000 to 100,000 figures there. It's really only the Prime series that sold significantly less than in NA/EU and even then it still did decent.

As for "controversiality", could someone explain?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Never heard about Punch Out being less popular in Japan, or Little Mac being less requested.

It's true though.

Ridley and Little Mac were the two characters who really only had popularity in the west.

Japan's like "meh."

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Balance issues. Hardly any Japanese support. Metroid's controversiality in Japan. The newcomer of choice for the Metroid series being Zero Suit Samus in Brawl.

Then there's Cracks & Holes.

Oh you really are a fool

Little mac deconfirmed that argument last week

 

[TimeSmash]

As for "controversiality", could someone explain?

I'd also like to know about this

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Hey now. I don't agree with Diddy either, but let's not start anything.

Plus, he's half trolling you.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Balance issues. Hardly any Japanese support. Metroid's controversiality in Japan. The newcomer of choice for the Metroid series being Zero Suit Samus in Brawl.

Then there's Cracks & Holes.

I see. If I may, I would like to comment on these points with some broad observations:

-Balance issues. I take this to mean that on account of Ridley's properties (bulk, aerial supremacy, strength, etc.), making him a balanced fighter in the roster poses several hurdles. And well it should. But is the task too daunting for a sizeable team of professional game developers? So far, and especially in the treatment and conception of the known Newcomers, Sora and Namco-Bandai have not yet given me reason to doubt that if they find Ridley worthy of inclusion, that they would be incapable of finding a way to make him work (scaling, balance, design, etc.).

-Japanese support. The inclusion of Little Mac seems to put this notion in question. To my understanding, Little Mac (and by extension, Punch-Out!!) is not very well known and/or very popular in Japan. Conversely, it seems his support in the West is much larger (as is Ridley's, allegedly). This seems to suggest, therefore, that for Smash 4, Sakurai and Co. are weighing Western, as well as Eastern, popularity/requests/etc. when it comes to Newcomer possibilities.

I cannot source or cite any of this information, as I'm essentially repeating what I've read. Perhaps other users can chime in, either to link to sources or to correct any of my mistakes.

-Metroid is controversial in Japan? I wasn't aware. In what way is Metroid controversial in the East?

-Zero Suit Samus as the Brawl Metroid Newcomer. Samus and Zero Suit Samus are the same person, much as Zelda and Sheik. These are all four playable fighters, but they are each two takes on the same character.

Sakurai may find Samus and ZSS sufficient for playable Metroid characters, true. I think we can both agree, however, that if there is to be a "third" Metroid character, Ridley is at the front of the waiting line. And ZSS's presence is not necessarily an obstacle for Ridley, especially since Ridley represents a Newcomer with a unique playstyle potential.

-If by Holes and Cracks, you refer to the layout of Pyrosphere, then that is a fair point. However, while I have not played Other M, it appears that the damage done in the Pyrosphere occurred during the Samus-Ridley battle.

It is doubtful that a Ridley Stage Hazard's role would be to mess up the Pyrosphere in this way (since he could only do so once). So, as far as the Smashverse is concerned, the Other M battle has already happened.

Does this mean that Stage Hazard Ridley will periodically come out (from the Holes and Cracks or elsewhere) and interfere in the battle on the stage? Does it mean that a playable Ridley will have his chance to get revenge on Samus in the Pyrosphere, after his defeat in their last Pyrosphere encounter?

The presence of the Holes and Cracks, to me, seems to work for both interpretations - and is therefore useful to neither.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I see. If I may, I would like to comment on these points with some broad observations:

-Balance issues. I take this to mean that on account of Ridley's properties (bulk, aerial supremacy, strength, etc.), making him a balanced fighter in the roster poses several hurdles. And well it should. But is the task too daunting for a sizeable team of professional game developers? So far, and especially in the treatment and conception of the known Newcomers, Sora and Namco-Bandai have not yet given me reason to doubt that if they find Ridley worthy of inclusion, that they would be incapable of finding a way to make him work (scaling, balance, design, etc.).

-Japanese support. The inclusion of Little Mac seems to put this notion in question. To my understanding, Little Mac (and by extension, Punch-Out!!) is not very well known and/or very popular in Japan. Conversely, it seems his support in the West is much larger (as is Ridley's, allegedly). This seems to suggest, therefore, that for Smash 4, Sakurai and Co. are weighing Western, as well as Eastern, popularity/requests/etc. when it comes to Newcomer possibilities.

I cannot source or cite any of this information, as I'm essentially repeating what I've read. Perhaps other users can chime in, either to link to sources or to correct any of my mistakes.

-Metroid is controversial in Japan? I wasn't aware. In what way is Metroid controversial in the East?

-Zero Suit Samus as the Brawl Metroid Newcomer. Samus and Zero Suit Samus are the same person, much as Zelda and Sheik. These are all four playable fighters, but they are each two takes on the same character.

Sakurai may find Samus and ZSS sufficient for playable Metroid characters, true. I think we can both agree, however, that if there is to be a "third" Metroid character, Ridley is at the front of the waiting line. And ZSS's presence is not necessarily an obstacle for Ridley, especially since Ridley represents a Newcomer with a unique playstyle potential.

-If by Holes and Cracks, you refer to the layout of Pyrosphere, then that is a fair point. However, while I have not played Other M, it appears that the damage done in the Pyrosphere occurred during the Samus-Ridley battle.

It is doubtful that a Ridley Stage Hazard's role would be to mess up the Pyrosphere in this way (since he could only do so once). So, as far as the Smashverse is concerned, the Other M battle has already happened.

Does this mean that Stage Hazard Ridley will periodically come out (from the Holes and Cracks or elsewhere) and interfere in the battle on the stage? Does it mean that a playable Ridley will have his chance to get revenge on Samus in the Pyrosphere, after his defeat in their last Pyrosphere encounter?

The presence of the Holes and Cracks, to me, seems to work for both interpretations - and is therefore useful to neither.

Agree with all

And the controversial is the same thing little mac disproves this theory he's probably equalling out western and eastern wants for smash 4

And that is because the western was controversial on ROB playable in brawl (ps he is still coming back easily)
And now he became loved so if Ridley is playable it could happen with Ridley at first hated in japan but then loved a little bit latter

 

[andimidna]

At least Phantom is / could be related to Zelda's specials. Also, all other Specials outside Down B have been shown.

Here, Sakurai was just staying the obvious: characters are small, dogs are big.

1. We have yet to see Nayru's Love.

2. The fire from Din's Fire actually wasn't shown, but was proven returned with a pose of a pic posted on the UK Facebook page.

3. Farore's Wind was the only one seen in action, also on the UK Facebook page.

In Conclusion: Sakurai and the Website have never posted a picture with any of Zelda's Specials. Only half have been proven to return all because of the UK facebook page.
And in Brawl, Sheik was the final special confirmed, months after Zelda.
Can't you just root for Impa AND Sheik? C'mon...

Felicafan444 made a video about this historical sakurai quote

Can I delete my posts? So I can just edit what's in this one to my first post? I don't think I can and I don't know why... sure would make things easier.

 

[AEMehr]

@ Angelglory
I hope you don't mind if I request something from you, but when discussing Ridley in Smash with someone they brought up something that I think would be interesting to see.

May I ask of you to make another render of Ridley and Samus, but with Ridley grabbing Samus? He does that a lot in the Metroid franchise so I think it would be helpful to have that type of comparison.

 

[Welshy91]

Balance issues. Hardly any Japanese support. Metroid's controversiality in Japan. The newcomer of choice for the Metroid series being Zero Suit Samus in Brawl.

Then there's Cracks & Holes.

I was wondering what would spur you out of hiding. I've missed your antics, kinda. Not really though.

 

[Angelglory]

@ Angelglory
I hope you don't mind if I request something from you, but when discussing Ridley in Smash with someone they brought up something that I think would be interesting to see.

May I ask of you to make another render of Ridley and Samus, but with Ridley grabbing Samus? He does that a lot in the Metroid franchise so I think it would be helpful to have that type of comparison.

(Ridley and Samus are the same sizes as my size comparison.)

 

[AEMehr]

(Ridley and Samus are the same sizes as my size comparison.)

Thanks!
jesus that is intimidating

 

[False Sense]

(Ridley and Samus are the same sizes as my size comparison.)

Oh, would you look at that. The bane of all anti-Ridley arguments.

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

(Ridley and Samus are the same sizes as my size comparison.)

This is truly glorious.

 

[SchAlternate]

(Ridley and Samus are the same sizes as my size comparison.)

Amazing.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

(Ridley and Samus are the same sizes as my size comparison.)

Awesome, this should shut up the people saying Ridley shouldn't be in if he can't pick up Samus in his hand.

 

[False Sense]

Awesome, this should shut up the people saying Ridley shouldn't be in if he can't pick up Samus in his hand.

Exactly. Someone needs to post this in all those videos that bring up the "holding in hand" thing as an argument.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

@ Angelglory

Quick question.

How long does it take you to make these poses?

It seems like it should take you hours but you do it in minutes.

Are you just that good?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Now I just want to see Ridley with Charizard sized wings and a shorter tail, so people will stop complaining about them being to big.