Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Dark Phazon]

CAN I GET AN A-MEN

Hmmm......no...

But you can get a

''RealTalk''

 

[Louie G.]

Like Blue said, today we are discussing Ridley in the Uniqueness Tier List thread, a thread where we can speculate just how much potential a character holds. A character like Ridley has a whole lot, so it's up to you guys to help show it.
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...ite-4-week-ridley.347531/page-7#post-16316954
Posting the link again because Blue's fell into bottom-of-the-page syndrome.

 

[LiteTheIronMan]

Like Blue said, today we are discussing Ridley in the Uniqueness Tier List thread, a thread where we can speculate just how much potential a character holds. A character like Ridley has a whole lot, so it's up to you guys to help show it.
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...ite-4-week-ridley.347531/page-7#post-16316954
Posting the link again because Blue's fell into bottom-of-the-page syndrome.

****ing doing this.

 

[Graydient]

As a small note, I think it's worth mentioning that Ganondorf was also shrunk down for Smash. And as you said, that series is pretty consistent with each other. At least, in it's own, weird way.

That is a point I have to concede. On the other hand, I do think it's also worth mentioning that Ganondorf's size isn't known for any particular feat aside from looking down on Link, and thus makes his scaling more of a nonissue (that is to say, he's still bigger than Link).
Specifically, what I mean is this and this. There are probably other noteworthy examples (like Samus scrunched up fitting in Ridley's mouth), but these all contribute to Ridley's aesthetic of being a huge space dragon.

Is there anything that will change my mind? Probably not, I'll admit that. I don't think I'm convincing anyone either, but I hope my facts/supported arguments add some insight to the often downplayed size debate.

 

[False Sense]

That is a point I have to concede. On the other hand, I do think it's also worth mentioning that Ganondorf's size isn't known for any particular feat aside from looking down on Link, and thus makes his scaling more of a nonissue (that is to say, he's still bigger than Link).
Specifically, what I mean is this and this. There are probably other noteworthy examples (like Samus scrunched up fitting in Ridley's mouth), but these all contribute to Ridley's aesthetic of being a huge space dragon.

Is there anything that will change my mind? Probably not, I'll admit that. I don't think I'm convincing anyone either, but I hope my facts/supported arguments add some insight to the often downplayed size debate.

It could also be argued that Ridley being resized is fine as long as he is still bigger than Samus, just like Ganondorf to Link and Bowser to Mario. In regards to the whole "grabbing Samus and dragging her against a wall, because, you know, walls are jerks" thing, I think it's still very possible for a smaller Ridley to accomplish a similar feat. If you take a look at this excellent model for a Ridley size comparison, it would still be possible for a Ridley of that size to still fit Samus in his claws and drag her around. Heck, they could probably make that into one of his attacks, although it would probably be on the floor instead of the wall.

I totally see what you're saying, but in my mind, as long as Ridley is still bigger than Samus and is still capable of his attacks that utilize his size, than it's perfectly fine to shrink him down.

 

[Glyphoscythe]

That is a point I have to concede. On the other hand, I do think it's also worth mentioning that Ganondorf's size isn't known for any particular feat aside from looking down on Link, and thus makes his scaling more of a nonissue (that is to say, he's still bigger than Link).
Specifically, what I mean is this and this. There are probably other noteworthy examples (like Samus scrunched up fitting in Ridley's mouth), but these all contribute to Ridley's aesthetic of being a huge space dragon.

Is there anything that will change my mind? Probably not, I'll admit that. I don't think I'm convincing anyone either, but I hope my facts/supported arguments add some insight to the often downplayed size debate.

You might not change anyone's mind, but you've been a lot more respectful about it and you provided good points. Usually people just give the same ****ty three word response. Off the top of my head, the best rebuttal I have to you is "C'moooon! He's cool!".

 

[Kamiko]

Samus scrunched up fitting in Ridley's mouth

Not that anyone was paying attention the last time I said this, but Ridley's head is usually disproportionately large. So even at his smallest, he still looks like he'd be able to swallow Samus whole if it weren't for that neck. Fix that, and suddenly he's a lot easier to work with.

 

[Cpt.]

Sig I made if anyone wants it......wont fit in my sig with the Cpt. Ganondorf one.

 

[GmanSir]

I'm neutral towards Ridley, but it would be cool having the main 7 Nintendo franchises each having their antagonists (Bowser, Ganon, Mewtwo, King K Rool, King DDD, Ridley, and Wario for Mario Kart)

 

[Morbi]

I'm neutral towards Ridley, but it would be cool having the main 7 Nintendo franchises each having their antagonists (Bowser, Ganon, Mewtwo, King K Rool, King DDD, Ridley, and Wario for Mario Kart)

I honestly feel as though Meowth satisfies the antagonist archetype much more comprehensively than Mewtwo does. However, that seems entirely unlikely, so Mewtwo it is.

Ridley on the other hand, he is an antagonist. That is actually the main reason I want him... aside from his status as a giant-purple-space-pirate-dragon that is really a pterodactyl.

 

[Cpt.]

I honestly feel as though Meowth satisfies the antagonist archetype much more comprehensively than Mewtwo does. However, that seems entirely unlikely, so Mewtwo it is.

Ridley on the other hand, he is an antagonist. That is actually the main reason I want him... aside from his status as a giant-purple-space-pirate-dragon that is really a pterodactyl.

It is pretty absurd that DK, Pokemon, and Metroid don't have a villain in SSBB. They better all get one for Smash 4, Metroid especially with only two reps.

 

[Glyphoscythe]

He might look less awkward next to other characters if his tail is shortened just a little (in addition to shortening his head too). I know his tail is one of his awesome traits, but it could stretch when using it for attacks to make up for that. Sort of like how Mario's fists puff up when he punches, but return to normal size afterwards.

 

[CardiganBoy]

So how old is Anthony Higgs? this image confuses me.

 

[Wii Twerk Trainer]

So Ridley and Palutena are gonna be playable? Sweet! I'll main both then and ship them Palutena x Ridley

So how old is Anthony Higgs? this image confuses me.

Holy cow. Samus is like 6'3 in height. Is Anthony Higgs like 7'7? That's freakishly huge. Bigger then Ridley

 

[Anomilus]

@Graydient - I'd like to also point to the Star Fox and F-Zero series regarding consistency. Neither of these series have had series spin-offs that involved altering of any sizes. Once Smash came around though, Star Fox had Fox and co. fighting on Arwings and the Wolfen while clearly being too large to actually pilot them. The Landmasters are actually pretty well scaled to Fox and co., but the Great Fox is not. Sure it's necessary as it's a stage. But the Landmaster is still roughly half the Great Fox's size when it's supposed to be carried by its mothership. As for F-Zero we have stages where characters are fighting on top of crafts that they couldn't possibly fit in, including the Blue Falcon and Falcon Flyer. But then Captain Falcon can also summon his Blue Falcon which is to scale. Not sure if the Falcon Flyer in Subspace Emissary is to scale.

I do understand that these are examples of mostly inanimate objects and not actual characters. But scale inconsistencies with series that have otherwise been consistent is definitely common.

I would like to point at Pokemon too. Any inconsistencies outside of Smash has often been due to the Pokemon anime and not between the games.

 

[Pacack]

So how old is Anthony Higgs? this image confuses me.

"This image is a little overkill."

 

[Starcutter]

So how old is Anthony Higgs? this image confuses me.

it says it itself.

"This image is a little overkill"


EDIT: Ninja'd due to me wanting to explain more. gawsh darnit

 

[Cpt.]

Holy cow. Samus is like 6'3 in height. Is Anthony Higgs like 7'7? That's freakishly huge. Bigger then Ridley

lol

Try not to double post though btw.

 

[Knight Dude]

So, what's with Young Samus though? Anyways, I've been trying to think of a few Final Smash ideas for Ridley. I'm guessing that Meta-Ridley would be a cool one to choose. But that giant Fireball from Other M might be a decent choice if you wanted something a little more direct.

 

[Xhampi]

The overkill in this pic is just pointing at the fact that Samus show more emotion in it than in the entire Metroid Other M game.

 

[Cpt.]

So, what's with Young Samus though? Anyways, I've been trying to think of a few Final Smash ideas for Ridley. I'm guessing that Meta-Ridley would be a cool one to choose. But that giant Fireball from Other M might be a decent choice if you wanted something a little more direct.

Giant fireball sounds cool. Personally I like the master hand move that Ridley can be seen using in a SSBB mod

 

[Knight Dude]

Giant fireball sounds cool. Personally I like the master hand move that Ridley can be seen using in a SSBB mod

Maybe. But that exact version of it seems too easy to avoid if you ask me.

 

[Cpt.]

Maybe. But that exact version of it seems too easy to avoid if you ask me.

Yeah, I'd imagine it being a trap one like Cpt. Falcon and Meta Knight.

 

[Hammer B]

Honestly, I think that the only way Ridley could have a chance to appear as a playable character (and not look out of place) would be if he could receive a similar treatment to Megaman in Street Fighter X Tekken (appear with his Samus-sized original design).

I would prefer his in-game sprite design, though (it looks more similar to the SNES-Era Ridley design that we all love):

 

[Kamiko]

I do understand that these are examples of mostly inanimate objects and not actual characters. But scale inconsistencies with series that have otherwise been consistent is definitely common.

I would like to point at Pokemon too. Any inconsistencies outside of Smash has often been due to the Pokemon anime and not between the games.

I like to think of the Arwings as important enough to count as characters.

Also, Wailord.

 

[JediLink]

Honestly, I think that the only way Ridley could have a chance to appear as a playable character (and not look out of place) would be if he could receive a similar treatment to Megaman in Street Fighter X Tekken (appear with his Samus-sized original design).

You mean the decision that everyone hated and only further destroyed Capcom's reputation? Yeah, sounds like a great idea.

 

[UltimateWario]

Honestly, I think that the only way Ridley could have a chance to appear as a playable character (and not look out of place) would be if he could receive a similar treatment to Megaman in Street Fighter X Tekken (appear with his Samus-sized original design).

You can think that way all you want, but you'd be wrong. If there's one way Ridley can't be represented in Smash, it's the one you suggested.

I like to think of the Arwings as important enough to count as characters.

You can already play as the Arwings, silly.

 

[Morbi]

You can think that way all you want, but you'd be wrong. If there's any way Ridley can't be represented in Smash, it's the one you suggested.



You can already play as the Arwings, silly.

I honestly wouldn't mind that Ridley too much, it certainly isn't probable, but it isn't impossible.

 

[Knight Dude]

You mean the decision that everyone hated and only further destroyed Capcom's reputation? Yeah, sounds like a great idea.

If anything, it was just a poorly timed joke. If Megaman had a game or two released at the time, no one would have been upset. Well, that's what I think anyway. I'm hoping if an MvC4 is made, they'll have one of the Megamen along with Venom and the Green Goblin. Of course everyone else in MvC3 can stay too.

You can think that way all you want, but you'd be wrong. If there's one way Ridley can't be represented in Smash, it's the one you suggested.



You can already play as the Arwings, silly.

I agree for the most part. Ridley would likely be better received if he was given one of his more iconic looks seen since Super Metroid. And I don't particularly think that the Metroid 1 Ridley would be needed to have him more properly. You could pretty much resize any of Ridley's other versions into Metroid 1 Ridley's size, perhaps slightly larger. Though that 3-D model of Metroid 1 Ridley is pretty cool.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

If they actually went that route (what Hammer B said), then I guess we could all officially call Sakurai the Capcom of Nintendo.

If that actually happened though with the original NES design for Ridley, ooh boy. It'd be a dreamworst nightmare come true for many fans... That reminds me, I did have a strange dream I vaguely remember one time that involved the NES design Ridley being revealed playable, but for some reason it had Meta-Ridley's colors for the the wings, body, and such. Weird huh?

 

[Knight Dude]

If they actually went that route (what Hammer B said), then I guess we could all officially call Sakurai the Capcom of Nintendo.

If that actually happened though with the original NES design for Ridley, ooh boy. It'd be a dreamworst nightmare come true for many fans... That reminds me, I did have a strange dream I vaguely remember one time that involved the NES design Ridley being revealed playable, but for some reason it had Meta-Ridley's colors for the the wings, body, and such. Weird huh?

Meta-NES Ridley. Maybe that wouldn't be so bad. Heh.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

 

[Soupenomics]

So much text, so little time.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Nice. I like how you had the size comparison in the video too.

 

[Wii Twerk Trainer]

Of Ridley doesn't make it in I wouldn't mind MB being playable. I mean she would be a female Villian but I still hope for Ridley to be playable.

 

[Banjodorf]

Of Ridley doesn't make it in I wouldn't mind MB being playable. I mean she would be a female Villian but I still hope for Ridley to be playable.

Mother Brain who was revealed as an Assist yesterday?

Related to what Hammer B said: Sakurai would thankfully never subject fans to that version of Ridley. At that point, no Ridley is preferable to that thing.

However, if Sakurai doesn't do some kind of playable Ridley, I'm going to be incredibly surprised.

 

[AnOkayDM]

Mother Brain who was revealed as an Assist yesterday?

Related to what Hammer B said: Sakurai would thankfully never subject fans to that version of Ridley. At that point, no Ridley is preferable to that thing.

However, if Sakurai doesn't do some kind of playable Ridley, I'm going to be incredibly surprised.

Possibly he means Melissa Bergman or whatever her name is from Other M? Or the human/android Mother Brain? I dunno.

 

[Wii Twerk Trainer]

Mother Brain who was revealed as an Assist yesterday?

Related to what Hammer B said: Sakurai would thankfully never subject fans to that version of Ridley. At that point, no Ridley is preferable to that thing.

However, if Sakurai doesn't do some kind of playable Ridley, I'm going to be incredibly surprised.

I meant Melissa. Mb is Melissa.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Melissa makes me laugh.

On one hand, she was executed kinda derpily. And her "fight" was just awful.

But on the other, she had some REAL potential... I can't ignore that.

Imagine her becoming the new Mother Brain for the space pirates. Really, Melissa and Anthony had lots of potential. Shame we may only see Anthony in the future.

Other M was a game with tons of potential, plot wise... So many great ideas ruined....

 

[Banjodorf]

I meant Melissa. Mb is Melissa.

Gotcha. Yeah, Other M is a game I've never played, so I can't really comment on characters from it, other than Anthony seems like a cool dude.