Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[majora_787]

I am still not following this argument that demands Ridley alone abide exclusively by Metroid canon in a spinoff game that disregards canon for the sake of being a mascot crossover starring trophies of iconic characters.

 

[SmasherMaster]

Okay not including Bowser or Olimar, most of the other characters are also larger/smaller.

Kirby is about the 3 of Dedede in both height and width. In Smash Bros, Kirby is about half the size of Dedede in both height and width. Looks like Dedede is too big.

Ganondorf is twice as tall as Link in Twilight Princess. But in Smash Bros, Link is about shoulder tall to Ganondorf. Looks like Ganondorf is too big.

Also, the fighter in Smash Bros are literally toys! That is why size doesn't matter. Look at the video

 

[Welshy91]

I am still not following this argument that demands Ridley alone abide exclusively by Metroid canon in a spinoff game that disregards canon for the sake of being a mascot crossover starring trophies of iconic characters.

Because close-mindedness.

 

[majora_787]

I guess. I mean I admittedly between Brawl and some time around SMash 4's announcement got drawn into how canon things should be. But then I realized at no point did it matter and the issue at work here is, is this character worth adding, and how awesome would they be to play as?

 

[Knight Dude]

So should Ridley have more than two jumps? I'd imagine so. But how many exactly? Say maybe 3, instead of Kirby and Meta-Knight's 5. Or would he glide instead?

 

[majora_787]

Would 3 and a glide be problematic?

 

[iam8bit]

Olimar and Bowser comparisons are silly.

No they're not. Stop it please.

 

[Knight Dude]

Would 3 and a glide be problematic?

It might not be. Unless the jumping mechanics are going to be changed for characters like Meta-Knight and Pit, but we have no reason to doubt that at the moment. Though I'm just unsure if he'd get more than two jumps and a glide, if he was ever added. But it's should be possible. Ridley strikes me like he'd mostly be focued on being a powerhouse type rather than being mobile character. Not to say that his mobility would be bad, it just would be second best to his raw damage.

 

[majora_787]

I am mostly thinking he would need three jumps and maybe a glide to compensate for a lack of mobility.

 

[Phaazoid]

Ridley should have three jumps and a bite. Like Charizard.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Make it 4 jumps like Dedede and I feel that he's better off.

Don't forget who came up with the idea to make him that size

I'm responsible for having his head tilted up in the image, but I'm just giving the credit to the guy who visualized it, felt that was easier than having to list all people who were part of making it like it is.

 

[IsmaR]

3 jumps is fine so long as they're actually good jumps. It wouldn't make sense for Ridley to have crappy air momentum/vertical gain.

 

[Koopaul]

More people should counter the whole "Pikmin and Olimar are from the same series and are scaled the right size" argument with Pikachu and Charizard. I love how this picture just dashes everyone's size arguments.

 

[Welshy91]

If pikachu had never been added, would people say he's too small?

 

[Knight Dude]

If pikachu had never been added, would people say he's too small?

Probably not. Most people get worked up over larger characters. Thinking that their size can't be changed to work at all.

 

[majora_787]

Even though if anything, in my experience anyway, scaling stuff up from a small size makes the textures look a lot worse/strabger than scaling stuff down from a large size.

 

[AnOkayDM]

Three and a glide would be okay as long as they're significantly better than Charizard's jumps and glide. Ridley really needs to have good air mobility.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Ridley in my opinion should be mediocre on the ground, but the apex of aerial combat.

 

[Oasis_S]

Why mediocre, why not ****?

 

[IsmaR]

Because to hell with censorship.

 

[Welshy91]

I personally hope Ridley is the best in the air AND ground because I'm a fanboy.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Still no epic fake fan art like the one in the K. Rool thread?

Disappointed.

 

[Bowserlick]

Perhaps Ridley could have two small jumps. However...

Up B Aerial Mode: Ridley spreads his wings and gets 2 long floaty jumps. His five aerial attacks change to a different set of aerial attacks.

 

[Phaazoid]

Why mediocre, why not ****?

because that's disgusting oasis. and dirty. why are you so dirty.

 

[Welshy91]

Perhaps Ridley could have two small jumps. However...

Up B Aerial Mode: Ridley spreads his wings and gets 2 long floaty jumps. His five aerial attacks change to a different set of aerial attacks.

That'd be pretty excellent.

 

[AustarusIV]

Is Ridley truly an unpopular suggestion for a newcomer in Japan? Because when I looked at the Official Poll for the Smash Dojo, he was one of the most popular requests for Brawl, receiving about FOUR separate requests from Japanese fans. The only character who was more popular than him in that list was King Dedede, and he along with Diddy Kong, Ike, and Olimar (all characters who were in the poll who received about or less support than Ridley himself), were all confirmed to be apart of Brawl's roster.

I understand that Metroid isn't really a mainstream franchise in its home country, but I don't think that was necessarily a factor against there being a second Metroid rep. From the looks of things, I don't think Ridley is exactly ''unwanted'' for being part of SSB4's roster but more likely just overlooked in favor of other characters like Mega Man or Shulk.

Apparently, on the Smash Dojo Poll even the Metroid Prime Hunters were requested for inclusion at least once.

 

[Deleted member]

Not a poll, but how many times Sakurai claimed to get an e-mail about him, yadda yadda yadda I've said this too much.

 

[AustarusIV]

So it was just a bunch of e-mail requests that Sakurai decided to post on his site then? Ah well, it doesn't mean that he's 'unwanted' in Japan. Again, Ridley is probably only overlooked in favor of other characters not because he's disliked, but because of his franchises's cultishness.

 

[Phaazoid]

It's more that the prime series, which was the current stuff at the time, was a lot less popular in japan than in the us. obviously that didn't mean much because we got a prime 1 stage, but it was a valid argument back then. nowadays we have other M superseding the prime series in terms of recentness, but you never know where sakurai will pull designs from.

 

[IsmaR]

Truth be told we should be more hopeful (I know the irony in me of all people saying that) now with the Marth reveal.

Marth's appearance is more from Shadow Dragon than from Awakening, which was the utmost recent game in Fire Emblem.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Marth was only DLC in Awakening though if I'm not mistaken, Sakurai simply chose the design from the game where Marth is most important in.

Unless he wants us to play as the actual Ridley, and not a clone, it's going to be the Other M design, with probably a few tweaks like Samus has had. Considering how much Sakurai is stressing that everything from Metroid is from Other M, I don't expect anything but the Other M design.

 

[R_Trigger]

While it is true that characters like Link and Marth do not use their most recent designs, Samus is using her most recent, and if Sakurai prefers consistency, I think they would choose the Other M design for Ridley as well. But on the other hand, Samus' model is not a direct copy and paste from Other M, and I think most people would be okay with Other M Ridley if they gave a good makeover with his face (which is probably the main thing people don't like about this particular design).

 

[Koopaul]

Not to mention the old design for Villager too. Its kind of odd how Sakurai picks and chooses designs. Sort of how he used Andross' old SNES form while other Assist Trophies had more modern looks.

 

[Phaazoid]

Honestly it's the same reason I don't think we'll see pacman, but that's besides the point.

And yes, Marth's appearance in awakening wasn't exactly... on the main storyline.

 

[CardiganBoy]

Not to mention the old design for Villager too. Its kind of odd how Sakurai picks and chooses designs. Sort of how he used Andross' old SNES form while other Assist Trophies had more modern looks.

I think the reason why he selected the old Villager design was because in fact he is a personalizable character, thats maybe he choose a more "iconic" appareance for him, as for Andross i bet it was easier (and a little lazy) to choose his simpler and polygonal appareance.

 

[Welshy91]

I don't think we have to assume it'll be the Other M Ridley, usually when we assume, we're wrong. If Sakurai wants Other M Ridley, then that's what we're getting, or if he wants Brawl Ridley that's what we're getting. We can't base things off of consistency because this is Smash Bros and Sakurai's will be done.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Not to mention the old design for Villager too. Its kind of odd how Sakurai picks and chooses designs. Sort of how he used Andross' old SNES form while other Assist Trophies had more modern looks.

Thats because SNES andross is the most recognizable of them.
Is like lakitu and hammer bro, selected for being the most iconic looks (also hammer bro appear in subspace emissay) and thats also why he choosed the advance wars units instead of the famicom wars or batallion wars designs, they are more famous. He just want everybody to recognize them in the first view.

Thats also why we get so many character new designs, for being more recognizables for new costumers (something that is not always the case in peachs brawl, but that can be considered a fanservice).

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I wonder if how marth got in helps ridley get confirmed anytime or special case

10 more posts and i have a grand total of 1000 post

 

[Johnknight1]

N64 Andross is probably more recognizable, but the Brawl development team probably just likes that design more. That or they thought it looked cooler (which IMO it did).

As for Ridley, I think we can expect him to at least retain that Melee/Brawl look (Super Metroid design + Metroid purple), probably with some Other M design mixed in.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

As for Ridley, I think we can expect him to at least retain that Melee/Brawl look (Super Metroid design + Metroid purple), probably with some Other M design mixed in.

If ridley even gets an alternate costume if confirmed but yea very likely for alternate costume for him if confirmed