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Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

PeterJude

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Ridley makes that hole in the wall escaping after you beat him. He is never fought again in that game.
Ah, I thought he meant that we had seen something to suggest that the hole appears in Smash's pyrosphere. My mistake.

If we did get a screenshot of pyrosphere without the hole being there, that could be a worry for Ridley...
 
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Maybe you've all thought of this already and I'm just a :079:, but supposedly an "enemy from Samus' past" appears on Pyrosphere, right? That must mean...Adam Malkovich is the Pyrosphere stage boss! He's from Samus' past, and he's pretty villainous when you think about how he contributed to the decline of the franchise.

Nintendo was sorry for Other M, so they wanted to give us an opportunity to have Samus beat up on Adam. It all makes perfect sense. They also gave us playable Ridley.
 

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Yeah, I think you and I are in the same boat. The platforms on the sides of the stage kinda make it look like they're used to reach something that's flying around the middle of the stage.

please don't crucify me for that

I would absolutely love for Pyrosphere to not have a gimmick and I've listened to countless arguments about why Ridley is playable. Some good, some bad but no matter what that bad feeling is hard to shake and my opinion hasn't really changed because of it.
Well, let me take a crack at this. Remember in Melee when you versed against a cpu on Brinstar and when the lava/acid rises up, forcing the players to take to higher ground to avoid damage? (Pretty much like every Metroid stage in Smash Bros.) If you paid attention to the cpu, they always (at least when I played) jumped to the platforms AT THE ENDS OF THE STAGE, despite there being a higher platform in the middle. Why? Well, maybe it was to distance themselves from the players to avoid getting attacked by them. Now for Pyrosphere, the platforms are spaciously placed away from each other, two on one side and two on the other. Would it not make sense to have the players NOT cramped next to each other, always attacking each other and knocking them into the lava, and instead space them apart to give some breathing room? That's how I always saw that when I saw the level design of Pyrosphere. Mostly every Metroid stage to date (from what I seen in Smash Bros) always had some room between the platforms, which seemed always likely designed to keep a distance away from enemies.
 
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Wait, what? Why?

If they know he's a hazard, they would have straight-up said so.
They didn't straight-up say that Phantom was a move for Zelda either. Well, whatever you're right it's no different then before.

However, how Pyrosphere is designed is still a huge red-flag for me and always has been.
 

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Ah, I thought he meant that we had seen something to suggest that the hole appears in Smash's pyrosphere. My mistake.

If we did get a screenshot of pyrosphere without the hole being there, that could be a worry for Ridley...
Did we? Do you happen to have a link? I don't remember that.
 

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Read the page of the scan and...what the?

Seriously, I only saw google translate and we know how much trusted it is right?

Not going to tell my though until I get a trusted translation.
This one was translated by a Smashboards member:
1.) A level wrapped in burning lava. It is a relatively simple map with a suspended platform and few places to stand --but also the mighty shadow of someone can be seen...

2/3.) Details of this stage's gimmicks are still unknown, but we do know that the stage itself is not complex.
 

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No, as in I thought he had implied that we had. If we did have such a screenshot, that would be worrying for Ridley...
Well, as for worrying, I'll wait for a legit translation first.

It seems from the rough stuff they allude to Ridley on the page, which does give me a sinking feeling...
 

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This one was translated by a Smashboards member:
That's literally the direct on words = reteasing.

But 2 hints towards playable because if you're telling me that Ridley as hazard is simple...that doesn't make sense.

And saying "gimmicks are unknown" proves how those text were given and controled by Sakurai in some way.

I can't believe he got reteased like that, but that's really nothing new.

Hey, I actually got the same last Thursday so, you're not alone. Tough, that might helps even more to get reteased so soon before release.
 

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It seems from the rough stuff they allude to Ridley on the page, which does give me a sinking feeling...
As far as I can tell, they're just doing what Sakurai himself has been doing. Hinting at Ridley being a boss without outright stating it.
The circumstances haven't changed, Ridley really.
 

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I know we often cover "why Ridley should be in the game as playable", but my friend just asked me a very interesting question. "Why does it matter so much to you?"

So other than the evidence we have, or what attention the Metroid franchise should have, or how much he deserves a spot, other than all of that! Why does it matter to us personally?

For me, I want Ridley because I see that this game is treating newcomers extremely well. And as sad as it is to say... none of the current characters interest me. To clarify, I mean, they also sound really wonderful, but I don't have any real love for Rosalina, or Palutena, or Little Mac, or any of the new characters. Some I just don't have exposure to, like Palutena, and some I just don't feel one way or the other towards, like Rosalina. I'm selfish because I want to feel that same excitement that others must feel when they see those beloved characters treated with such love.

I know that makes me sound bitter. "How do you dislike so many franchises??" Haha, that's not it... It's just that I was lucky, in a way. All my favourite favourite favourite (favourite) franchises are in already, and they have been in for years. For me, Ridley is like... the last of my all-time favourites. Wanting him in is me being ultimately selfish. XD

So what personal stock does everyone else have in this endeavour?
 

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That's literally the direct on words = reteasing.
The suggestion that the stage's real gimmick is unknown is new, if nothing else.
But 2 hints towards playable because if you're telling me that Ridley as hazard is simple...that doesn't make sense.
Not Ridley as a hazard. The article is referring to the layout of the stage itself being simple.
 

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At last an actual update for you all!



-Tail finished.
-Wings mostly finished ( If you look closely I did not actually finish attaching all the membrane, and I have that, spike at the top of his wings still to add.)
-Leg almost done.

NOTE: It is a different color, as it is a test Ridley. The real own will probably use the Brawl colors, unless you come up with a better color set that is. ;)
 

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The suggestion that the stage's real gimmick is unknown is new, if nothing else. Not Ridley as a hazard. The article is referring to the layout of the stage itself being simple.
Well forget 2 (except unknown gimmick because that literally means not deconfirmed).

Seriously, who think it hurts him? I don't get it.
 

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I got a more legit translation from the guy in the thread

"pyrosphere: "1. It's a stage surrounded by scorching heat and lava. It's a relatively simple stage with one main floating platform with a few smaller platforms above it, but there seems to be the shadow of "something" giant...? 2,3. The more detailed information on the tricks of this stage are still unclear, but this is not actually such a simple stage."
 

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*Obligatoridley

I know we often cover "why Ridley should be in the game as playable", but my friend just asked me a very interesting question. "Why does it matter so much to you?"

So other than the evidence we have, or what attention the Metroid franchise should have, or how much he deserves a spot, other than all of that! Why does it matter to us personally?

For me, I want Ridley because I see that this game is treating newcomers extremely well. And as sad as it is to say... none of the current characters interest me. To clarify, I mean, they also sound really wonderful, but I don't have any real love for Rosalina, or Palutena, or Little Mac, or any of the new characters. Some I just don't have exposure to, like Palutena, and some I just don't feel one way or the other towards, like Rosalina. I'm selfish because I want to feel that same excitement that others must feel when they see those beloved characters treated with such love.

I know that makes me sound bitter. "How do you dislike so many franchises??" Haha, that's not it... It's just that I was lucky, in a way. All my favourite favourite favourite (favourite) franchises are in already, and they have been in for years. For me, Ridley is like... the last of my all-time favourites. Wanting him in is me being ultimately selfish. XD

So what personal stock does everyone else have in this endeavour?
Ridley's the antagonist of the long-lasting and popular Metroid series. One could say, as a character, he "deserves" to be included.
Due to his long-run as a character and the number of popular games he's appeared in, he's made a big impact on many people, thus making him a rather popular character in general.
That's really all I need to want him to be playable.
 

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Well, I stated this before and I'll reiterate it again.

I never played a single Metroid game, ever, but that doesn't stop me from supporting the people that wanted Ridley in Smash Bros. for 15+ years. Despite my little knowledge of Metroid in general, I see no problem for Ridley to be included into Smash. Sammy and Zammy are nice character reps for the Metroid series, but it's far, FAR from being truly represented fully without someone like Ridley. I support new and interesting characters added to Smash and I really enjoy seeing new characters I know little about. :4pit: I rather see a deserving character for a needing series then see a character who brings little to no variety and diversity to the Smash series.
 

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I know we often cover "why Ridley should be in the game as playable", but my friend just asked me a very interesting question. "Why does it matter so much to you?"

So other than the evidence we have, or what attention the Metroid franchise should have, or how much he deserves a spot, other than all of that! Why does it matter to us personally?

For me, I want Ridley because I see that this game is treating newcomers extremely well. And as sad as it is to say... none of the current characters interest me. To clarify, I mean, they also sound really wonderful, but I don't have any real love for Rosalina, or Palutena, or Little Mac, or any of the new characters. Some I just don't have exposure to, like Palutena, and some I just don't feel one way or the other towards, like Rosalina. I'm selfish because I want to feel that same excitement that others must feel when they see those beloved characters treated with such love.

I know that makes me sound bitter. "How do you dislike so many franchises??" Haha, that's not it... It's just that I was lucky, in a way. All my favourite favourite favourite (favourite) franchises are in already, and they have been in for years. For me, Ridley is like... the last of my all-time favourites. Wanting him in is me being ultimately selfish. XD

So what personal stock does everyone else have in this endeavour?
To be perfectly honest I couldn't really care less which characters are in the game. I wouldn't care if we got a roster populated by Pink Gold Peaches so long as they had interesting play styles. That includes everyone, going from Mario, to Link all the way down the Ice Climbers (who quite frankly I really dislike using, but an interesting enough). The characters themselves are flavour, the real substance of the game uses them only in a very superficial way. I mean, come on, Ganondorf is a slower and more powerful Captain Falcon, who he himself has little relevance to fighting beyond the whole "bounty hunter" thing.

This all said, I find this whole Ridley debate fascinating, the most interesting of the lot. The way he's been teased, yet just left hanging there now for a year with the occasional extra tease (the shadow of course) without ever actually revealing him is just bizarre. From everything I've seen they wouldn't just do this for giggles, because after people wanted him last time, and he ended up being a boss there, I doubt they'd tease people with the prospect of that again while this speculation is going on, only to disappoint them with it again.

All these other characters people debate about it comes down to "well, I want them in, so they should be in", or "we've not got enough representation", or "this vague tweet by the creator confirms this", but with Ridley, they've actually been toying with people. Why do that only to disappoint them?
 

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That article gives me a little bit more hope for Ridley. I mean come on, just reveal him as a stage boss already if he is one.
We are now officially besties

bring it in

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I know we often cover "why Ridley should be in the game as playable", but my friend just asked me a very interesting question. "Why does it matter so much to you?"

So other than the evidence we have, or what attention the Metroid franchise should have, or how much he deserves a spot, other than all of that! Why does it matter to us personally?

For me, I want Ridley because I see that this game is treating newcomers extremely well. And as sad as it is to say... none of the current characters interest me. To clarify, I mean, they also sound really wonderful, but I don't have any real love for Rosalina, or Palutena, or Little Mac, or any of the new characters. Some I just don't have exposure to, like Palutena, and some I just don't feel one way or the other towards, like Rosalina. I'm selfish because I want to feel that same excitement that others must feel when they see those beloved characters treated with such love.

I know that makes me sound bitter. "How do you dislike so many franchises??" Haha, that's not it... It's just that I was lucky, in a way. All my favourite favourite favourite (favourite) franchises are in already, and they have been in for years. For me, Ridley is like... the last of my all-time favourites. Wanting him in is me being ultimately selfish. XD

So what personal stock does everyone else have in this endeavour?
Oh man, what a question. In a way, my opinion is similar to yours - The only other newcomer that I was really vested in beforehand was Robin, none of the others. So far I've grown to like Villager, Pac Man, and Palutena (this one in specific surprised me) as well, but it's just never on the same level if you weren't rooting for them beforehand.

Pre Brawl I rooted for Ridley because I love villains, and I'm a big Metroid fanboy. Metroid Prime 1 remains one of my favorite games of all time. I've put nearly 8 years into waiting for Ridley. It would really give Metroid the representation it deserves as a franchise, and have another awesome not only non humanoid, but another villain, and another Dragon. It's win/win/win.

However I'm back into worry mode. Still circling back around to worrying he's a boss :(
 

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I got a more legit translation from the guy in the thread

"pyrosphere: "1. It's a stage surrounded by scorching heat and lava. It's a relatively simple stage with one main floating platform with a few smaller platforms above it, but there seems to be the shadow of "something" giant...? 2,3. The more detailed information on the tricks of this stage are still unclear, but this is not actually such a simple stage."
Er, "giant"...

Does anyone have a general view of the stage but with the shadow's outline traced where it first appeared? Because I think we came to the conclusion that it wasn't as large as we first thought it was.
 

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I got a more legit translation from the guy in the thread

"pyrosphere: "1. It's a stage surrounded by scorching heat and lava. It's a relatively simple stage with one main floating platform with a few smaller platforms above it, but there seems to be the shadow of "something" giant...? 2,3. The more detailed information on the tricks of this stage are still unclear, but this is not actually such a simple stage."
Oooooooooohhhh...

...oooooooohhhh, so they may well have been told something.
 

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At last an actual update for you all!



-Tail finished.
-Wings mostly finished ( If you look closely I did not actually finish attaching all the membrane, and I have that, spike at the top of his wings still to add.)
-Leg almost done.

NOTE: It is a different color, as it is a test Ridley. The real own will probably use the Brawl colors, unless you come up with a better color set that is. ;)
It the progress is looking so AWESOME that I'm gonna CRY....
O2A571_0D54EA215D648_000 (2).gif

"It's perfect...."
 

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I know we often cover "why Ridley should be in the game as playable", but my friend just asked me a very interesting question. "Why does it matter so much to you?"
...
So what personal stock does everyone else have in this endeavour?
I want Ridley because Metroid needs more representation than Samus and Samus without her suit. I honestly would be happy if there were better options, but the other options are either pretty much irrelevant or incredibly boring.
 

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I know we often cover "why Ridley should be in the game as playable", but my friend just asked me a very interesting question. "Why does it matter so much to you?"

So other than the evidence we have, or what attention the Metroid franchise should have, or how much he deserves a spot, other than all of that! Why does it matter to us personally?

For me, I want Ridley because I see that this game is treating newcomers extremely well. And as sad as it is to say... none of the current characters interest me. To clarify, I mean, they also sound really wonderful, but I don't have any real love for Rosalina, or Palutena, or Little Mac, or any of the new characters. Some I just don't have exposure to, like Palutena, and some I just don't feel one way or the other towards, like Rosalina. I'm selfish because I want to feel that same excitement that others must feel when they see those beloved characters treated with such love.

I know that makes me sound bitter. "How do you dislike so many franchises??" Haha, that's not it... It's just that I was lucky, in a way. All my favourite favourite favourite (favourite) franchises are in already, and they have been in for years. For me, Ridley is like... the last of my all-time favourites. Wanting him in is me being ultimately selfish. XD

So what personal stock does everyone else have in this endeavour?
just going to make a list:
  • Second most wanted and I only care about him and my first most wanted.
  • I like the character. As boss, I liked how he could scare anyone (and theme is quite intense of this feel) and when I just imagine this pasted in smash...I just love that.
  • Grabs. No really, that's the move that I for some reason love so much. It's more the feel of the animation, but Ridley would just look so good and I hope that air grabs happens since who doesn't want to not only control the foe on ground, but in air? I loved mewtwo just because of this feel of control.
  • I just like his behavior. Things like his scream, grudging the foe on wall or simply his flying fashion. Includes fireball, but for some reason, just looking at his form makes me overlook the fireballs. Tough, I liked roy just because of fire so that's good.
  • That only applies to now, but the tease itself. Really, so much dept was there that it made a whole well known fanbase almost panic for a month before getting the truth. I already said this, but having to type for hours to explain what was done in 10 seconds is Sakurai being a genius. You have to imagine Sakurai planning this tease and be sure that it works like it should for how much analysis would be done and yet, I think it might have taken days to come up with it. Only to actually do it in 10 seconds, that is what I call heavy planning. Even the quote is clearly double meaning like everything. The only thing that isn't is actually himself...
  • I LOVE everything that involves deep thinking and logic. Talking about it was so much satisfying for me just because of the thinking part. It's so deep it's almost unimaginable. And to push that for a year really, he wants to get hype.
  • I found that metroid is a very good series and so, the intriguing part of exploring should be represented by him. Samus represents the power up while ZSS represents the other powerless way of samus. Nothing represents scariness, intriguing, suspense or even fear immersion. Having a space pirate is already repping most of those, but the way he attacks is complementing so well samus that I think he should be in. Just what I mentioned isn't that much used which gives him a lot of uniqueness. There's some part of him that only him have and that's because of the immersion type metroid tries to achieve. That's why he could have multiple implementation of unique movesets and be so fitting for smash.
  • Debates that are controversial are quite fun especially for refuting dumb arguments.
That's why I care.
 
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This new info on the scans has given me a bit of a chill in the pit of my stomach. Ridley isn't looking so obvious now...It's frightening, that my 7 years of supporting Ridley from the sidelines could be for naught...come on Sakurai! Don't screw it up now! You're so close!
 

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Maybe you've all thought of this already and I'm just a :079:, but supposedly an "enemy from Samus' past" appears on Pyrosphere, right? That must mean...Adam Malkovich is the Pyrosphere stage boss! He's from Samus' past, and he's pretty villainous when you think about how he contributed to the decline of the franchise.

Nintendo was sorry for Other M, so they wanted to give us an opportunity to have Samus beat up on Adam. It all makes perfect sense. They also gave us playable Ridley.
This actually came across my mind today and it hypothetically coulda been talking about Mother Brain instead of Ridley since "she" turned on Samus and the Chozo which coulda of been traumatizing so and that way it'd match up with the wording and as an assist trophy could appear at any moment, i'm 99.3% sure it was for Ridley though, haha

Edit: For Ridley being referencing him not saying what he was (being playable :4pacman:)
 
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I got a more legit translation from the guy in the thread

"pyrosphere: "1. It's a stage surrounded by scorching heat and lava. It's a relatively simple stage with one main floating platform with a few smaller platforms above it, but there seems to be the shadow of "something" giant...? 2,3. The more detailed information on the tricks of this stage are still unclear, but this is not actually such a simple stage."
So, unknown entity = direct (yeah it's Ridley, but it's not making it obvious where it should in hazard case).

But imo, the word giant REALLY helps him.

Because by reteasing him like that, it shows that Sakurai indeed was doing this way to reference that infamous argument. That may even go as far to say that the potd with olimar was really referencing that!

As for not simple, it means unknown which = nothing we know so why assuming?
 

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both SSBB ridley and Roidley have something different in common with the super metroid one.
SSBB:beak/snout shape, eye size, tail, feet shape, color of eyes. Roidley: color tone of skin and wings, back part of the head shape. The Brawl Ridley (the one most people prefer from what I know) has more things in common with the super metroid ridley than Roidley, so fusing them might make the super metroid ridley or something similar.
 

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Honestly, there should be no reason on why they should feign knowledge on Ridley's presence if he isn't playable. He's been a recurring character since the first game for the N64, and was part of two major boss fights in Brawl's SSE, where Mother Brain and the other Metroid villains were relegated to sticker status. There should be no doubt that he's the second-most important character in Metroid, and to avoid saying his name for so long on the stage that he's infamously known for is going to spark controversy whether Nintendo likes it or not.

Something's going on here, and it smells fishy.
 
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Am I the only person that doesn't like Brawley? Ridley with pupils disturbs me and it feels like a mishmash of other Ridleys gone completely wrong. I'd much rather have just Ridley's straight up Super Metroid sprite design or Roidley, which I feel are his best designs (Meta Ridley I don't count, but this is a good design as well). I'm the first person to like Roidley, huzzah!
 

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I got a more legit translation from the guy in the thread

"pyrosphere: "1. It's a stage surrounded by scorching heat and lava. It's a relatively simple stage with one main floating platform with a few smaller platforms above it, but there seems to be the shadow of "something" giant...? 2,3. The more detailed information on the tricks of this stage are still unclear, but this is not actually such a simple stage."
Not sure how to feel about this one, how they say "seems" seems well... promising, and saying it isn't a simple stage isn't to big of a surprise since it's a Metroid stage, if they didn't say seems though I might of been a little nervous, but everything looks okay, and he is still playable.
 
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Er, "giant"...

Does anyone have a general view of the stage but with the shadow's outline traced where it first appeared? Because I think we came to the conclusion that it wasn't as large as we first thought it was.
Is it possible the person who wrote the article just assumes that the shadow is of something quite large? Many people did due to the zoomed camera and them using one of the smallest characters in the game to run by first. It could also be something Sakurai told them to say since I wager he most certainly knows about the whole too big thing. I don't think this hurts his chances. It just means that they know people are curious about what goes on on the stage, and about Ridley.

Yet they STILL aren't talking about it even though they have for everything else, and shot down other confusing things that were more straightforward like Prince Sable. I still have hope for Ridley.
 

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your not the first and its not that everybody doesn't like roidley, its just that most people Prefer the common ridley than Roidley.
I prefer Common Ridley as well, just not...certain iterations (Zero Mission and NES Ridley come to mind, along with Brawley).
 

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Am I the only person that doesn't like Brawley? Ridley with pupils disturbs me and it feels like a mishmash of other Ridleys gone completely wrong. I'd much rather have just Ridley's straight up Super Metroid sprite design or Roidley, which I feel are his best designs (Meta Ridley I don't count, but this is a good design as well). I'm the first person to like Roidley, huzzah!
Well, I didn't like the whole brawl artstyle and Ridley was more the body color...that's way too dark and way too much gradient.

Luckily, this game has an artstyle I love so I expect Rodley to be good because of how bright his body is.

Tough, that's excluding the cutscene where I found him more ugly than the fight. Since I like how the melee one is almost without gradient, I like him a bit more, but both are totally fine and better than brawl imo.
 
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Myuutsufan4832

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Since metroid music from both SSBB and Melee are returning, which what you like to return, and what music new metroid music what you'd like to hear, and would you prefer the way it sounded in that game, or remixed/orchestrated?
 

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Since metroid music from both SSBB and Melee are returning, which what you like to return, and what music new metroid music what you'd like to hear, and would you prefer the way it sounded in that game, or remixed/orchestrated?
Magmoor Caverns is all I need. :p
 
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