Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[IsmaR]

I like everything Metroid, so I try not to discriminate.

I still find it weird to this day, though, that both of Ridley's themes only play on Orpheon, neither on Norfair (which was introduced as the place where Ridley was located).

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

I know we often cover "why Ridley should be in the game as playable", but my friend just asked me a very interesting question. "Why does it matter so much to you?"

To be perfectly honest, I was kind of against Ridley at one point in time. To me, it was really a matter of how would he fit in? Is he really too big? Or would he just be a clone of Charizard? But I guess seeing this thread develop, it's actually a lot of fun seeing that the people who genuinely want Ridley see him as a great addition to Smash Bros. In reality, Samus and Zero Suit Samus are the same person, and that basically means only two variations of 1 character representing her own franchise. And I agree, the Metroid line-up in Smash Bros shouldn't be limited to just Samus Aran.

With the theories going around that he can be scaled down, I wasn't completely on board with it, and still had some skepticism. And then we had the Direct. Seeing that, I thought Ridley was done for, but with the speculation regarding the shadow, it got me intrigued True, I wasn't sure on how one could make Ridley a unique fighter in Smash Bros, as if I was in Sakurai's place, "How can you make this character a completely different character from Charizard, who can also fly and breathe fire?" I couldn't even come up with a moveset for Robin, as I was more concerned with what they'd look like, and even if it's just the default build, Sakurai made Robin look great! (That hair...)

Regarding Ridley, many users such as SchAlternate, said that Ridley has a lot more potential than being a 'Charizard Clone': and one user also brought up Firebrand from Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3, and I guess after that, I thought: "That might not be such a bad idea." For now, I'm more interested in seeing what Sakurai can do with Ridley. He can make a character better than anything I could attempt!

I guess you could say that for now, I'm supporting Ridley as a 'passenger', and I think seeing him would be a great way to show people who aren't familiar with Metroid that there's a lot more to it than a space bounty hunter, and I know that there are many people who love Ridley's role as the Metroid antagonist, and it would be quite fitting to see him and Samus fight it out together in Super Smash Bros.

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Just going to correct you because one of the thing you said got proven false.

In some frames of the direct, you see the point of the tail of Ridley and you can even tell it would be Rodley.

It's Ridley and it's a fact.

What he does isn't tough and that is the whole tease trigger.

Well, who knows, could have been Meta-Knight. Have you seen them wings?

Don't forget Kraid appearing in one of those stages as a hazard too.

That was Brinstar Depths. And actually, despite the Kraid hazard, I remember the lava was insta-kill. So it technically counts.

 

[Koopaul]

Why continue to shroud the details in mystery? Why? What's the big deal? Does he think we're going to scream for joy seeing Ridley as a flying pinata?

Even the magazine is making things vague. Why?

 

[aldelaro5]

Well, who knows, could have been Meta-Knight. Have you seen them wings?



That was Brinstar Depths. And actually, despite the Kraid hazard, I remember the lava was insta-kill. So it technically counts.

...

I understand that you hope, but implying that MK has a tail that is brown...

Like WTH???

There's more reliable evidences that even consider the fact that he's Ridley anyway.

 

[Thermithral]

...

I understand that you hope, but implying that MK has a tail that is brown...

Like WTH???

There's more reliable evidences that even consider the fact that he's Ridley anyway.

Someone draw that. NOW!

Why am I forgetting these stages. Well, I find Frigate Orpheon somewhat forgettable (personal experience, it's kind of meh to me), but Brinstar Depths was one I found kind of cool.
Alright, TWO Metroid stages without lava.

Indeed, but they all still have a very defining gimmick. None of them are Fountain of Dreams, or Final Destination, was my point.

 

[Myuutsufan4832]

I like everything Metroid, so I try not to discriminate.

I still find it weird to this day, though, that both of Ridley's themes only play on Orpheon, neither on Norfair (which was introduced as the place where Ridley was located).

I guess they were considering or planning on using a lava/ heat proof creature from metroid as a hazard on that stage even though it didn't belong there, like the balloon fighter fish as the hazard on the summit which is an ice climbers stage

 

[MysticKnives]

Why continue to shroud the details in mystery? Why? What's the big deal? Does he think we're going to scream for joy seeing Ridley as a flying pinata?

Even the magazine is making things vague. Why?

Who knows. But hoping for the best, while still being prepared for the worst (in case the worst happens) is a good idea. Though it is odd that a boss would be teased this long. And the magezine only implies that it could still be either a boss or playable.

 

[Thermithral]

Who knows. But hoping for the best, while still being prepared for the worst (in case the worst happens) is a good idea. Though it is odd that a boss would be teased this long. And the magezine only implies that it could still be either a boss or playable.

The only instance I can think of, in which bosses have been teased this long, is in MMOs, mainly WoW. Lich King, Deathwing(all hail) and so on. Metroid Online confirmed?

In seriousness though, can someone confirm it is Just pyrosphere getting this treatment? Is there any other stage where they have implied a boss is there, but not directly said if it is a boss?

 

[Dracandros]

I tried to keep my heart in my chest for the past few days of course.

Since I don't see Pyrosphere turning 90 degrees at any one point, I would say that there's a good bet of lava or a stage hazard or both. The one thing I do notice is that there's more of the same "let's protect the Ridley secret with our lives" jibe going on.

There really is no 100% anything or 0% anything. I know we all want him badly, but unless the next trailer says "we are revealing A newcomer" (and we all know how that went right?) or he's flat-out disconfirmed next week, not much is going to change.

 

[Koopaul]

In seriousness though, can someone confirm it is Just pyrosphere getting this treatment? Is there any other stage where they have implied a boss is there, but not directly said if it is a boss?

It's only the Pyrosphere. Only Ridley.

 

[Zynux]

Oooooooooohhhh...

...oooooooohhhh, so they may well have been told something.

Yeah, they obviously know more then they're letting on. And they're making the shadow even more ambiguous. I mean, a possible Gimmick? What does that even mean in this context?

I must ask; why was it so necessary to keep Ridley in the dark for so long? Should have revealed him along with the Yellow Devil.

http://smashboards.com/threads/latest-nintendo-dream-scans-updated-8-23-complete.364926/page-3

He's done.

I'm sorry.

Jumping to conclusions.

Though I honestly can't blame you at this point. Everyone best get prepared.

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Well my stance still stands:

Until the man MAKING THE FREAKING GAME says through his mouth; "Ridley's not playable", THEN we quit.

 

[.Shìkì]

First, as some people seem to be weighed down by the new scans, let me add some weight to the "Hyping Ridley as a stage boss wouldn't make sense because he was a boss before" argument: Ridley as a stage hazard on a Pyrosphere looking map HAS BEEN DONE 1:1 BEFORE. In Dead or Alive : Dimensions, Geothermal Powerplant. WHY should ANYBODY think ANYONE would get hyped by Ridley being something he LITERALLY was before? Not just "He was a boss in Brawl too" but "A Stage hazard on a map looking extremely similar", heck, it IS the same place even, just differently named! Is there ANY reason to hype that? No? Good we agree. Moving on.

Next, a stage's "Gimmick" can be about anyhing. Let me show you a variety of "gimmicks" that the stage could have :

#1 Boss. Which not necessarily means Ridley.
#2 Lava
#3 Moving Platforms. This already counts as a gimmick.
#4 Lava stream disappearing and changing the lighting, (possibly making it very dark) : We HAVE seen
pictures where no lava was flowing.
#5 Debris falling from the ceiling
#6 The outer "ring" of the main platform breaking off (Remember, the Final Destination version only has one "ring"
#7 It could have something to do with the weird containers below he edges of the main platform.
#8 It could give heat damage to all players in form of percent, similar to standing slightly offscreen on a walkoff stage, for however long the Lava is at its maximum height.

Nothing is lost until we see the words "Ridley appears on Pyrosphere as a stageboss" + gameplay footage of how he works directly by Sakurai, so calm down and keep hoping.

 

[Thermithral]

First, as some people seem to be weighed down by the new scans, let me add some weight to the "Hyping Ridley as a stage boss wouldn't make sense because he was a boss before" argument: Ridley as a stage hazard on a Pyrosphere looking map HAS BEEN DONE 1:1 BEFORE. In Dead or Alive : Dimensions, Geothermal Powerplant. WHY should ANYBODY think ANYONE would get hyped by Ridley being something he LITERALLY was before? Not just "He was a boss in Brawl too" but "A Stage hazard on a map looking extremely similar", heck, it IS the same place even, just differently named! Is there ANY reason to hype that? No? Good we agree. Moving on.

Next, a stage's "Gimmick" can be about anyhing. Let me show you a variety of "gimmicks" that the stage could have :

#1 Boss. Which not necessarily means Ridley.
#2 Lava
#3 Moving Platforms. This already counts as a gimmick.
#4 Lava stream disappearing and changing the lighting, (possibly making it very dark) : We HAVE seen
pictures where no lava was flowing.
#5 Debris falling from the ceiling
#6 The outer "ring" of the main platform breaking off (Remember, the Final Destination version only has one "ring"
#7 It could have something to do with the weird containers below he edges of the main platform.
#8 It could give heat damage to all players in form of percent, similar to standing slightly offscreen on a walkoff stage, for however long the Lava is at its maximum height.

Nothing is lost until we see the words "Ridley appears on Pyrosphere as a stageboss" + gameplay footage of how he works directly by Sakurai, so calm down and keep hoping.

I kind of was hoping something like #4 and #8 would happen, as it would make the stage really fun to play on, to me at least.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

I got a more legit translation from the guy in the thread

"pyrosphere: "1. It's a stage surrounded by scorching heat and lava. It's a relatively simple stage with one main floating platform with a few smaller platforms above it, but there seems to be the shadow of "something" giant...? 2,3. The more detailed information on the tricks of this stage are still unclear, but this is not actually such a simple stage."

Whelp. Yet another nail to the coffin, far as I'm concerned.

I want to believe everyone whose trying to reason their way out of it like one of the posters above me, but... I can't. I'm hearing y'all out though at least, but it's still not enough for me to shake off the sinking feeling.

Am I the only person that doesn't like Brawley? Ridley with pupils disturbs me and it feels like a mishmash of other Ridleys gone completely wrong. I'd much rather have just Ridley's straight up Super Metroid sprite design or Roidley, which I feel are his best designs (Meta Ridley I don't count, but this is a good design as well). I'm the first person to like Roidley, huzzah!

You're not the only one. The Brawl design I was never really partial to either, mostly because it made him feel more cartoony with like the head size and such.

So, I don't know what exactly the Shulk and Isaac threads are uniting to do against the Ridley and K. Rool threads, but it's on!

I'm hoping this will be settled through a dance off, but no official word yet.

That sounds rather... petty, or is it just for a rap battle kind of thing?

 

[Zynux]

This actually brings up a good point, in the March Famitsu issue, they alluded to Phantom seeming to be a move for Zelda and questioned what happened to Sheik, a month later, we got the confirmation it was in fact Zelda's new move and Sheik got separated. By implication, the situation does imply that Ridley is being teased as a boss as they allude to a mysterious shadow lurking over a stage that seems simple otherwise. If it's the same case, then it's not a good sign for Ridley, I'd say that it's the most worrying thing we've gotten in a long time and I can't say it gives me much hope for the situation.

It's clear that these publications are doing a little bit more then "speculating". They have info but can't spill the beans, so they tease and give allusions.

Yeah, I think Ridley's position vastly got worst then it ever has been, tbh. I'm not just going to convenietnly ignore them alluding a possible "gimmick" and a "giant shadow."

 

[MasterOfKnees]

People panicking over the scan? It told us literally everything we already knew about the stage:

-It's a simple layout
-It has lava streaming out
-The shadow indicates that there might be more to it

That's what it says, and that's what we already knew, it's basically restating speculation, the fact that it directly refers to the shadow is utmost proof of this. If this makes you think Ridley isn't happening you should have had that mindset since April.

Yet, we don't even know what's the most accurate translation, people are throwing around multiple different versions of it.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Whelp. Yet another nail to the coffin, far as I'm concerned.

I want to believe everyone whose trying to reason their way out of it like one of the posters above me, but... I can't. I'm hearing y'all out though at least, but it's still not enough for me to shake off the sinking feeling.


You're not the only one. The Brawl design I was never really partial to either, mostly because it made him feel more cartoony with like the head size and such.


That sounds rather... petty, or is it just for a rap battle kind of thing?

Rap battle. We noticed the K. Ridley thing and wanted to find a partner before it was too late.

Edit: I think people are over analyzing the scan by the way, we always assumed Pyrosphere had SOME sort of gimmick.

 

[Koopaul]

Why is Isaac and Shulk our enemy?

How are they hurting Ridley?

 

[Skyblade12]

Why is Isaac and Shulk our enemy?

How are they hurting Ridley?

Because Ridley and K. Rool teamed up and excluded us.

If you guys have to be together because both characters are too big, ours are together because they're both RPG characters.

 

[AndreaAC]

Really random...I will draw the cinnamon roll with the Ridley hat later....time to go to sleep....

 

[Thermithral]

Rap battle. We noticed the K. Ridley thing and wanted to find a partner before it was too late.

Ridley/K. Rool supporters versus Smash Bros advertisement team. Yes, this! Probably the best way to advertise a game yet, heh.

Why is Isaac and Shulk our enemy?

How are they hurting Ridley?

I was about to ask this, what do they have to do with his chances at all?

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Really random...I will draw the cinnamon roll with the Ridley hat later....time to go to sleep....

:D That's, awesome!

 

[MysticKnives]

Whether this hurt his chances or not, Rids still has a chance. But I'm patiently and eagerly awaiting Ridley's role.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Why is Isaac and Shulk our enemy?

How are they hurting Ridley?

Once again, this has nothing to do with characters making it into the game.

I'm not sure what it DOES have to do with, exactly, but we're making teams.

Dodge ball after school?

 

[Thermithral]

Pretty much this. If Rids isn't shown in a trailer or PoTD as confirmed/de-confirmed in the next week, we'll have to wait until Japan release.

Unless Ridley is a really secret unlock, from the Wii U version, then we wait even longer. So far we know, nothing, about the 3ds/Wii U connectivity, but we do know they share the same roster. It would definitely build up hype for the next version, if we get more characters. Incredibly unlikely, but that is one option.

The BIG guy, from the BIGGER version.

 

[Skyblade12]

Pretty much this. If Rids isn't shown in a trailer or PoTD as confirmed/de-confirmed in the next week, we'll have to wait until Japan release.

And then hope that Sakurai doesn't add in a time-delay mechanism to the unlock, just to keep him hidden longer.

What? The 3DS game clock has had a direct effect on plenty of games before. It can even detect if you change it and negate all time-based effects for 24 hours.

Who says Sakurai couldn't set it so Ridley can't be unlocked until 1 week past the time the game is first booted up (and if you trade to a new system or reset the clock, it resets the timer). That way he can keep giving reveals on until the US release.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That shadow is gigantic, and Ridley was sized down, remember? Why say he is giant when he obviously isn't? Ergo, they mean this shadow. Can someone look who it could match? The only contender I can think of is Phantoon

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Ok, seeing this mode of "down in the dumps" is starting to get to me. Not as Ridley not being playable, but the vibe in this thread. It may be due to me not really having "nothing to lose" if Ridley gets deconfirmed, as unfortunate as that sounds for me to say, but I have really no reason to doubt my belief in Ridley's inclusion in Smash 4. If you want to quit, then just quit. Just don't look back when you decide to abandon your dreams for your character to join the roster.

...I think I need to sleep this off. I hope people will get their spirits back up when I come back to this thread. Cya.

 

[_Sheik]

Next, a stage's "Gimmick" can be about anyhing. Let me show you a variety of "gimmicks" that the stage could have :

#1 Boss. Which not necessarily means Ridley.

Wouldn't it be sorta nonsensical to put another boss than Ridley on the Pyrosphere, since that's where Samus fought Ridley?

 

[Skyblade12]

Wouldn't it be sorta nonsensical to put another boss than Ridley on the Pyrosphere, since that's where Samus fought Ridley?

Pyrosphere is the name of the entire sector, I believe. Samus fought five bosses there.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I'm thinking Ridley is definitely a starter if he is in, the thing that really sucks is that if he is a stage boss there isn't much of a chance for DLC.

 

[_Sheik]

Pyrosphere is the name of the entire sector, I believe. Samus fought five bosses there.

My bad. Haven't been far enough on my Other M walkthrough to witness that.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

I wonder which stage and music combinations would sound cool/hilarious with Ridley fighting on them?

 

[Zynux]

First, as some people seem to be weighed down by the new scans, let me add some weight to the "Hyping Ridley as a stage boss wouldn't make sense because he was a boss before" argument: Ridley as a stage hazard on a Pyrosphere looking map HAS BEEN DONE 1:1 BEFORE. In Dead or Alive : Dimensions, Geothermal Powerplant. WHY should ANYBODY think ANYONE would get hyped by Ridley being something he LITERALLY was before? Not just "He was a boss in Brawl too" but "A Stage hazard on a map looking extremely similar", heck, it IS the same place even, just differently named! Is there ANY reason to hype that? No? Good we agree. Moving on.

Hate to be such a debbie downer now, especially considering the circumstances, but this is from the same developer who thought Tripping, possibly one of the most antithetical game design decisions I've ever seen in a video game, was a good idea in Brawl.

Let's just say, I wouldn't be surprised. At all.

People panicking over the scan? It told us literally everything we already knew about the stage:

-It's a simple layout
-It has lava streaming out
-The shadow indicates that there might be more to it

That's what it says, and that's what we already knew, it's basically restating speculation, the fact that it directly refers to the shadow is utmost proof of this. If this makes you think Ridley isn't happening you should have had that mindset since April.

Yet, we don't even know what's the most accurate translation, people are throwing around multiple different versions of it.

This is true, however even the various translations all seem to suggest that the publications know more then they're willing to let on. It's reminding me too much of the Sheik/Phantom situation, where the answer really was right in front of us the whole time and even ambiguously told to us.

Ok, seeing this mode of "down in the dumps" is starting to get to me. Not as Ridley not being playable, but the vibe in this thread. It may be due to me not really having "nothing to lose" if Ridley gets deconfirmed, as unfortunate as that sounds for me to say, but I have really no reason to doubt my belief in Ridley's inclusion in Smash 4. If you want to quit, then just quit. Just don't look back when you decide to abandon your dreams for your character to join the roster.

...I think I need to sleep this off. I hope people will get their spirits back up when I come back to this thread. Cya.

This is the Ridley thread. Not everyone's going to be full of sunshine, rainbows and optimism, nor should it be expected of anyone.

No one wants to "quit", but there is every reason to express doubt. Not like "quitting" or "abandoning your dreams" is going to effect Ridley's spot on the roster anyway.

Pyrosphere is the name of the entire sector, I believe. Samus fought five bosses there.

Yeah, the "Pyrosphere Stage" is technically the Geothermal Power Plant. Pyrosphere was probably just easier.

 

[Zygard]

First, as some people seem to be weighed down by the new scans, let me add some weight to the "Hyping Ridley as a stage boss wouldn't make sense because he was a boss before" argument: Ridley as a stage hazard on a Pyrosphere looking map HAS BEEN DONE 1:1 BEFORE. In Dead or Alive : Dimensions, Geothermal Powerplant. WHY should ANYBODY think ANYONE would get hyped by Ridley being something he LITERALLY was before? Not just "He was a boss in Brawl too" but "A Stage hazard on a map looking extremely similar", heck, it IS the same place even, just differently named! Is there ANY reason to hype that? No? Good we agree. Moving on.

Next, a stage's "Gimmick" can be about anyhing. Let me show you a variety of "gimmicks" that the stage could have :

#1 Boss. Which not necessarily means Ridley.
#2 Lava
#3 Moving Platforms. This already counts as a gimmick.
#4 Lava stream disappearing and changing the lighting, (possibly making it very dark) : We HAVE seen
pictures where no lava was flowing.
#5 Debris falling from the ceiling
#6 The outer "ring" of the main platform breaking off (Remember, the Final Destination version only has one "ring"
#7 It could have something to do with the weird containers below he edges of the main platform.
#8 It could give heat damage to all players in form of percent, similar to standing slightly offscreen on a walkoff stage, for however long the Lava is at its maximum height.

Nothing is lost until we see the words "Ridley appears on Pyrosphere as a stageboss" + gameplay footage of how he works directly by Sakurai, so calm down and keep hoping.

Now that you mention it it would actually make sense that the flowing of the lava was kind of a warning for the players that ridley will come soon. Just like you can see bits of the yellow devil being fired from the castle so you know he will be there soon. It would also make sense because in metroid other m ridley also comes when samus shot the wall so the lava would start flowing.
I still hope but this scares me a little bit ...

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I'm thinking Ridley is definitely a starter if he is in, the thing that really sucks is that if he is a stage boss there isn't much of a chance for DLC.

There wouldn't have been that anyway, if Ridley isn't in at this point it's because Sakurai doesn't want him in the game, which also means no Ridley in any future Sakurai Smash games unless a Villager miracle happens.

 

[Spazzy_D]

There wouldn't have been that anyway, if Ridley isn't in at this point it's because Sakurai doesn't want him in the game.

Yeah. Well, I think Sakurai really does like Ridley, as he included him in EVERY Smash game and has given him prominent roles in each. It's just that he doesn't see him as a playable character. Ridely is unique in that way, there are reasons someone like K. Rool might not make it in, but it's not because Sakurai doesn't think he would not work as a playable character and it doesn't mean he won't be in the next game. It has become clear to me that, if Ridley is not in Smash 4, Sakurai thinks that the best role for Ridley is a boss because it fits his vision of the character.

I personally think that this is a ridiculous line of thinking and that Ridley would make an awesome fighter. I've wanted him in ever since I saw Smash 64! It doesn't mean Sakurai hates him though. What it does mean, unfortunately, is that if Ridley isn't in now he probably won't ever be in an official Smash game that is directed by Sakurai.

 

[Koopaul]

Of course the Ridley thread is a real downer right now.

See if Sakurai just plain out deconfirmed Ridley in April, the wounds would have healed by now. But it's like he's pulling the dagger out slowly. We can't heal, we can't rest. It's almost madness.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Of course the Ridley thread is a real downer right now.

See if Sakurai just plain out deconfirmed Ridley in April, the wounds would have healed by now. But it's like he's pulling the dagger out slowly. We can't heal, we can't rest. It's almost madness.

If Ridley isn't it, he really should have been shown as a stage boss a LONG time ago. Like as soon as Pyrosphere debuted in August. The teasing was the worst part.