Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[SmilingMad]

At least they seem to be more aware of the fanbases at before. This hopefully means they are also aware of the amount of $#!@ we have had to go through. I don't know, maybe it helps.

 

[Zynux]

Well

Pessimism and being depressed aside, I still assert with confidence that Ridley won't be shown in the PoTD

 

[.Shìkì]

Hate to be such a debbie downer now, especially considering the circumstances, but this is from the same developer who thought Tripping, possibly one of the most antithetical game design decisions I've ever seen in a video game, was a good idea in Brawl.

Let's just say, I wouldn't be surprised. At all.

Actually he didn't think it was a good idea, he thought it'd be so atrocious nobody would want to play it competitively. Thats why he made it in the first place, to keep Brawl "as a party game". But i see where you are coming from... Then again his procedure with about any other non-playable character shows that he at least learned something from the Brawl-speculations, what with his almost heartless feeling deconfirmations.

 

[Skyblade12]

Of course the Ridley thread is a real downer right now.

See if Sakurai just plain out deconfirmed Ridley in April, the wounds would have healed by now. But it's like he's pulling the dagger out slowly. We can't heal, we can't rest. It's almost madness.

It's a form of magical torture. You get stabbed by a frozen shard of your own blood, which then flows into your body, keeping you going. The blood dripping out is frozen into a new shard, which stabs you somewhere else. Endlessly repeating the cycle. Wounded by your own self, unable to escape, trapped, but never dying, as you are healed for each blow you take. Eternal torment and torture.

 

[Zawaz132]

I still have faith in Ridley being playable. He's arguably the most talked about character for smash that hasn't been included yet. Just look at how many pages we've made it! For Ridley to be hinted at and referred to, and not just once, for over a year, it feels rediculous to not have some big news for him. If he's a boss, he should have been shown looooong ago. Anything can happen, it is Sakurai after all. But I am confident Ridley is playable. Who's with me?!

 

[MysticKnives]

And then hope that Sakurai doesn't add in a time-delay mechanism to the unlock, just to keep him hidden longer.

What? The 3DS game clock has had a direct effect on plenty of games before. It can even detect if you change it and negate all time-based effects for 24 hours.

Who says Sakurai couldn't set it so Ridley can't be unlocked until 1 week past the time the game is first booted up (and if you trade to a new system or reset the clock, it resets the timer). That way he can keep giving reveals on until the US release.

Lmao. He'd break the world record for longest trolling. Let's just hope that doesn't happen and Rids gets his day.

 

[Skyblade12]

Lmao. He'd break the world record for longest trolling. Let's just hope that doesn't happen and Rids gets his day.

I was basically thinking "What's the best way Sakurai could keep trolling everyone?". That was what came to mind.

 

[PeterJude]

So, Pyrosphere isn't going to be on the 3DS is it? Surely with the amount of Ridley hype, even if for whatever bizarre reason they chose to make him a stage boss, they surely wouldn't have him as a Wii U exclusive stage boss. I mean, Yellow Devil and Wily Castle appear on both the 3DS and Wii U, surely if they're going to have Ridley as a stage boss, arguably the marquee, top of the tops, stage boss, they'd have his stage on both consoles. Oh well, just another angle to think about.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

Part of me is hoping all of this teasing turns into one giant bait and switch. Phantoon as the stage hazard makes as much sense as him being in other m. Which makes him the perfect surprise boss here.

 

[Zygard]

So, Pyrosphere isn't going to be on the 3DS is it? Surely with the amount of Ridley hype, even if for whatever bizarre reason they chose to make him a stage boss, they surely wouldn't have him as a Wii U exclusive stage boss. I mean, Yellow Devil and Wily Castle appear on both the 3DS and Wii U, surely if they're going to have Ridley as a stage boss, arguably the marquee, top of the tops, stage boss, they'd have his stage on both consoles. Oh well, just another angle to think about.

Thank you!
I kinda lost hope for ridley in the last couple of days but this is in my opinion one of the strongest arguments for ridley and it got me to believe in ridley once again.

 

[SmilingMad]

Part of me is hoping all of this teasing turns into one giant bait and switch. Phantoon as the stage hazard makes as much sense as him being in other m. Which makes him the perfect surprise boss here.

This is what I'm hoping too. I mean, why troll US? Why not THEM? We want to have our share of fun too!

 

[Ridley_Prime]

So, Pyrosphere isn't going to be on the 3DS is it? Surely with the amount of Ridley hype, even if for whatever bizarre reason they chose to make him a stage boss, they surely wouldn't have him as a Wii U exclusive stage boss. I mean, Yellow Devil and Wily Castle appear on both the 3DS and Wii U, surely if they're going to have Ridley as a stage boss, arguably the marquee, top of the tops, stage boss, they'd have his stage on both consoles. Oh well, just another angle to think about.

If 3DS doesn't get Pyrosphere after all, maybe they'd put Stage Hazardley on Brainstar or something to compensate, as in to stay consistent with boss hazards being on both versions like Yellow Devil? Brainstar has some platforms you'd be able to use to reach and hit the flying pinata after all too (in addition to being a Metroid stage) doesn't it?

I feel dirty just thinking or talking about this as opposed to a playable Ridley.

 

[AuraShaman]

I know we often cover "why Ridley should be in the game as playable", but my friend just asked me a very interesting question. "Why does it matter so much to you?" Other than the evidence we have, or what attention the Metroid franchise should have, or how much he deserves a spot, other than all of that! Why does it matter to us personally?

Justice...that's why Ridley matters in my eyes. It's ironic since Ridley is the darkest villain you could have, but it's true. For fifteen years, ever since the crowd saw him in the Melee opening at Gamescon 2001 (or whatever its called, I'm too young to know), Ridley has been the most hype-inducing character to many eyes. Each time, he's shoved aside as a trophy or a boss, and this gave time for detractors to rise, and make excuses for why an iconic villain like Ridley should never be playable. From "he's too big" to "he'd be a Charizard clone" to even "Rundas/Sylux deserve it more than him." I'm both ashamed and betrayed by the fact I used to be on their side, attempting to ruin people's dreams, attacking people for having an opinion, and even labeling them as delusional JB-ish fanboys...those alone make me sick.

Detractors like Shokio and Nin10doUltra treat their word as if it were law, and they discriminate the supporters without any regard or second thought. Worse is that people take their word for granted because they're popular, and those people don't bother to think for themselves and dig deeper. There is even a person on Miiverse that stereotypes a Ridley fan...that is unforgivable blackface if you ask me.

The Smash fanbase has had scars before due to the lack of Ridley's inclusion, but Sakurai has torn it apart with his vagueness, whether it be intentional or not. Ridley's inclusion is the only way to patch it together, and deconfirming him would have calateral consequences. Those who dug deep and used critical thinking would be punished, and they'd have no one but themselves to blame in the end since people would stop listening to them; no one benefits.

These detractors have labeled and discriminated us for far too long. Sakurai must do what's right to bring peace to the Smash fanbase once again. Do whatever it takes to reunite all the support bases. Ridley's inclusion as playable shall symbolize that you shouldn't be ashamed of who you want for fear of being labeled.

That's why I think Ridley resembles justice...15 years of struggles coming to climactic end at long last. The bully detractors who think they must always be right will finally get a wake-up call telling them they're far from perfect.

 

[SmilingMad]

Wait what in the-

Oh yeah, sure, more of him. Let's talk about him instead. Fully confirmed as an actual legit boss now, since you can hit it and it buffs you afterwards.
How would that work with Ridley anyway? Health and missile pickups? A splash of magma after he drops into it? Doesn't really seem feasable.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Heart containers and screw attack items is what I would see Rids leaving behind.

Oh yeah, I guess I might answer BeakyBird's question on why it matters to me later when I'm in a better mindset for it.

 

[PeterJude]

If 3DS doesn't get Pyrosphere after all, maybe they'd put Stage Hazardley on Brainstar or something to compensate, as in to stay consistent with boss hazards being on both versions like Yellow Devil? Brainstar has some platforms you'd be able to use to reach and hit the flying pinata after all too (in addition to being a Metroid stage) doesn't it?

I feel dirty just thinking or talking about this as opposed to a playable Ridley.

What's you'll notice about Pyrosphere though is that he's huge. I doubt they'll touch Brainstar, and even if they did, surely it's not big enough. If Pyrosphere is that big to house fighting Bossley, then Brainstar isn't going to be near big enough.

This is what the MiiVerse stage section says about the stage:

In Metroid: Other M, Samus heads to the Bottle Ship when she receives a distress signal after laying Mother Brain to waste. The Pyrosphere is the name of the fiery, lava-infested third sector of the Bottle Ship.

This particular area of the Pyrosphere is called the Geothermal Power Plant, where Samus encounters a cloned version of her lifelong nemesis, Ridley

!!! They say the name, the name they must not say!!!

!!!

If Ridley is going to be Stage Bossley, then it'll be on Pyrosphere. In that's the case, surely it'll end up being a cross platform stage. If it's confirmed to not be cross platform, then surely the stage boss won't be Ridley, or at least his only appearance.

Them directly mentioning Ridley by name there, and specifically as a clone would also suggest that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they'll have Ridley and Roidley.

 

[Thor_Hammerschlag]

I was waiting too long already, for too many smash games. I wouldnt buy the new game if the leaked Roster is the final One, tbh.

50% of the newcomers are trolls and the rest isnt really interesting either.

Hard words..

 

[SmilingMad]

Heart containers and screw attack items is what I would see Rids leaving behind.

Oh yeah, I guess I might answer BeakyBird's question on why it matters to me later when I'm in a better mindset for it.

The thing is, the player who defeated the boss is rewarded. Specifically that player. How would that work with health pickups?
I guess it could work if they were the player colour, but still.

 

[Spazzy_D]

The thing is, the player who defeated the boss is rewarded. Specifically that player. How would that work with health pickups?
I guess it could work if they were the player colour, but still.

No one can use any B moves as a default on Pyrosphere. If you can defeat Ridley, you get an in game call from Adam and he authorizes the use of specials, giving only your character access to B moves until Ridley respawns.

 

[SmilingMad]

No one can use any B moves as a default on Pyrosphere. If you can defeat Ridley, you get an in game call from Adam and he authorizes the use of specials, giving only your character access to B moves until Ridley respawns.

If Adam makes it into the game somehow I am going to surgically remove him with a very large and blunt object.

Also, I found that this piece of veedya garme muzak has become surprisingly relevant.

Spoiler: It ain't Ridley music, but it's still good nonetheless

 

[BoxedCookies]

If Adam makes it into the game somehow I am going to surgically remove him with a very large and blunt object.

Also, I found that this piece of veedya garme muzak has become surprisingly relevant.

Spoiler: It ain't Ridley music, but it's still good nonetheless

Remove him with Ridley's rusty spoon. Comes exclusively as a prize in a box of Chozo Puffs...mnm... Chozo Puffs.

 

[Skyblade12]

My gosh, you guys are hopeless. This article says nothing new. Do you think they aren't giving you exactly what they were told to? Do you think that the same ambiguity showing up again is just because they didn't get to fully experience the stage? If so, do you think there isn't a reason that they didn't get to fully experience it?

What's you'll notice about Pyrosphere though is that he's huge. I doubt they'll touch Brainstar, and even if they did, surely it's not big enough. If Pyrosphere is that big to house fighting Bossley, then Brainstar isn't going to be near big enough.

This is what the MiiVerse stage section says about the stage:



!!! They say the name, the name they must not say!!!

!!!

If Ridley is going to be Stage Bossley, then it'll be on Pyrosphere. In that's the case, surely it'll end up being a cross platform stage. If it's confirmed to not be cross platform, then surely the stage boss won't be Ridley, or at least his only appearance.

Them directly mentioning Ridley by name there, and specifically as a clone would also suggest that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they'll have Ridley and Roidley.

The article can mention whatever they want, it's just personal conjecture. What's important is what they explicitly state is from the stage itself. Any idiot with the internet can look up the Geothermal Power Plant and Ridley's relation to it. But they can't confirm he's a stage boss, because they didn't see him as one. Because he isn't one.

Over a year of staying firm and you all are giving up because of one more ambiguous tease, this one from a secondhand source? Sakurai and Nintendo didn't mention the Geothermal Plant or Ridley. The article writers did. They're making assumptions and doing whatever research they can, because they don't know.

Wake up, people. Nothing has changed.

 

[MysticKnives]

I was basically thinking "What's the best way Sakurai could keep trolling everyone?". That was what came to mind.

Funny enough, Sakurai's bizarre way of thinking makes this likely.

 

[PeterJude]

My gosh, you guys are hopeless. This article says nothing new. Do you think they aren't giving you exactly what they were told to? Do you think that the same ambiguity showing up again is just because they didn't get to fully experience the stage? If so, do you think there isn't a reason that they didn't get to fully experience it?



The article can mention whatever they want, it's just personal conjecture. What's important is what they explicitly state is from the stage itself. Any idiot with the internet can look up the Geothermal Power Plant and Ridley's relation to it. But they can't confirm he's a stage boss, because they didn't see him as one. Because he isn't one.

Over a year of staying firm and you all are giving up because of one more ambiguous tease, this one from a secondhand source? Sakurai and Nintendo didn't mention the Geothermal Plant or Ridley. The article writers did. They making assumptions and doing whatever research they can, because they don't know.

Wake up, people. Nothing has changed.

Isn't http://smashbros-miiverse.com/ the official pages on it?

What is with the cheerleader style of this thread at this time? I am not a Ridley supporter, but I think based on what we've seen he is almost certainly in. Yet any discussion, even one like this one where I was actually trying to make another argument for why it's unlikely that he's not in (Pyrosphere at this time being a Wii U exclusive), seem to get these negative "BUT THE CHEERLEADING!!!!" reactions that I really don't get.

This is not a sports event, we're trying to figure out if he's in the game. That decision was made so long ago that it is now irrelevant if anyone believes or not. It won't make the slightest difference.

 

[Thor_Hammerschlag]

I was waiting too long already, for too many smash games. I wouldnt buy the new game if the leaked Roster is the final One, tbh.

50% of the newcomers are trolls and the rest isnt really interesting either.

Hard words..

 

[SmilingMad]

Isn't http://smashbros-miiverse.com/ the official pages on it?

What is with the cheerleader style of this thread at this time? I am not a Ridley supporter, but I think based on what we've seen he is almost certainly in. Yet any discussion, even one like this one where I was actually trying to make another argument for why it's unlikely that he's not in (Pyrosphere at this time being a Wii U exclusive), seem to get these negative "BUT THE CHEERLEADING!!!!" reactions that I really don't get.

This is not a sports event, we're trying to figure out if he's in the game. That decision was made so long ago that it is now irrelevant if anyone believes or not. It won't make the slightest difference.

GIVE ME AN R
GIVE ME AN I
sorry

I was waiting too long already, for too many smash games. I wouldnt buy the new game if the leaked Roster is the final One, tbh.

50% of the newcomers are trolls and the rest isnt really interesting either.

Hard words..

The only one I'm interested in is Bowser Jr. But it probably isn't the final roster, and there's still space for Ridley.

 

[Skyblade12]

Isn't http://smashbros-miiverse.com/ the official pages on it?

What is with the cheerleader style of this thread at this time? I am not a Ridley supporter, but I think based on what we've seen he is almost certainly in. Yet any discussion, even one like this one where I was actually trying to make another argument for why it's unlikely that he's not in (Pyrosphere at this time being a Wii U exclusive), seem to get these negative "BUT THE CHEERLEADING!!!!" reactions that I really don't get.

This is not a sports event, we're trying to figure out if he's in the game. That decision was made so long ago that it is now irrelevant if anyone believes or not. It won't make the slightest difference.

You're right, I missed that.

Nevertheless, that's just a description of the history of the stage and where it came from. Samus did encounter a Ridley clone there. It still doesn't say ANYTHING about what Smash Bros. players will encounter there.

 

[PeterJude]

You're right, I missed that.

Nevertheless, that's just a description of the history of the stage and where it came from. Samus did encounter a Ridley clone there. It still doesn't say ANYTHING about what Smash Bros. players will encounter there.

It's just interesting because they have tended to avoid the name "Ridley" even when it's pretty damn obvious what they mean.

At this time, unless Ridley fails to be revealed by the 3DS release date, I seriously doubt that he's just a stage boss. I would think a direct right before release is the most logical time for him, but you never know what they'll do. I doubt they'll leave him secret though, as after building up this much hype, they wouldn't just leave him to be found in the game when the primary market for him will get the surprised ruined by the it already being released.

 

[Skyblade12]

It's just interesting because they have tended to avoid the name "Ridley" even when it's pretty damn obvious what they mean.

At this time, unless Ridley fails to be revealed by the 3DS release date, I seriously doubt that he's just a stage boss. I would think a direct right before release is the most logical time for him, but you never know what they'll do. I doubt they'll leave him secret though, as after building up this much hype, they wouldn't just leave him to be found in the game when the primary market for him will get the surprised ruined by the it already being released.

Every other character brought up in a non-player role has had their role explicitly described, every time. The fact that Ridley hasn't, that we haven't gotten an emergency tweet saying "oh, he's a boss, non-playable", is just more good news.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Isn't http://smashbros-miiverse.com/ the official pages on it?.

That's a fan made website.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

GIVE ME AN R!
GIVE ME AN I!

...
GIVE ME A D!
GIVE ME AN L!
GIVE ME AN E!
GIVE ME A Y!!
RIDLEY!!!! Couldn't help but finish the cheer.
Now... I wonder what his Crowd Cheer will be? I doubt it will top: "We like Ike! We like Ike!" or some of my personal favourites from Melee: "Roy's our Boy!" or "Gaaanondoooorf..."

I imagine something like: "Rid-ley! Rid-ley!"

 

[Skyblade12]

That's a fan made website.

Even better.

Besides, the last character mentioned by name alongside Samus was revealed two days later, not disconfirmed, remember?

 

[Dracandros]

Some of the replies in this thread are awesome! I have to add some more likes once I look at it again.

It was all said better than I could have said it - that's for sure.

It's true that the description of Pyrosphere should make you think and it's possible that Ridley is who they are referring to. It's true that it is a heartwrenching tease no matter what Ridley's role is. It's also true that Pyrosphere doesn't look likely for the 3DS version AT ALL.

If there is anything BaganSmashBros and all of the other artists have taught me, it's that we don't know much until it's confirmed and that goes for everything Ridley related. I just hope that everyone will feel better, get a good night sleep or have a good day or whatever, and just come back to loving Ridley again. The overall picture of his chances is still about the same - the teasing is just getting more obscure, constant, and torturous. I really don't blame anybody for their reactions - we're all human after all and we all love each others' views. We wouldn't have reached this point without it anyway.

 

[Skyblade12]

Some of the replies in this thread are awesome! I have to add some more likes once I look at it again.

It was all said better than I could have said it - that's for sure.

It's true that the description of Pyrosphere should make you think and it's possible that Ridley is who they are referring to. It's true that it is a heartwrenching tease no matter what Ridley's role is. It's also true that Pyrosphere doesn't look likely for the 3DS version AT ALL.

If there is anything BaganSmashBros and all of the other artists have taught me, it's that we don't know much until it's confirmed and that goes for everything Ridley related. I just hope that everyone will feel better, get a good night sleep or have a good day or whatever, and just come back to loving Ridley again. The overall picture of his chances is still about the same - the teasing is just getting more obscure, constant, and torturous. I really don't blame anybody for their reactions - we're all human after all and we all love each others' views. We wouldn't have reached this point without it anyway.

Pyrosphere is confirmed Wii U only. The website stages page has sections for Wii U Stages, 3DS Stages, and Shared Stages. Pyrosphere is on the Wii U section.

 

[Dracandros]

Pyrosphere is confirmed Wii U only. The website stages page has sections for Wii U Stages, 3DS Stages, and Shared Stages. Pyrosphere is on the Wii U section.

That it does - thanks!

Another positive for his chances.

At least I hope so anyway.

 

[G1_Shockwave]

This has all been way too much of an emotional roller coaster...

 

[Zygard]

Pyrosphere is confirmed Wii U only. The website stages page has sections for Wii U Stages, 3DS Stages, and Shared Stages. Pyrosphere is on the Wii U section.

Which page states pyrosphere to be a wii u exclusive? I searched for it but I couldnt find any reliable source.

 

[The Legendary Beast]

Seriously hoping Sakurai takes advantage of the speculation and puts something like this for Ridley's reveal:

I will also except:

Ridley sizes up the competition.
Ridley makes his big debut.
Ridley is the boss.
Ridley makes a hazard.

Can you guys think of any good ones?

 

[Thor_Hammerschlag]

GIVE ME AN R
The only one I'm interested in is Bowser Jr. But it probably isn't the final roster, and there's still space for Ridley.

Ah yea indeed, Bowser Jr. is at least interesting unlike the rest of the newcomers.

Why do you think it is not the final roster?
Imo it just looks weird (not finished graphically).

 

[SmilingMad]

Ah yea indeed, Bowser Jr. is at least interesting unlike the rest of the newcomers.

Why do you think it is not the final roster?
Imo it just looks weird (not finished graphically).

I'm pretty sure one of the leakers said it wasn't finished.
This is how rumors and misinformation happens

Seriously hoping Sakurai takes puts something like this for Ridley's reveal:

I will also except:

Ridley sizes up the competition.
Ridley makes his big debut.
Ridley is the boss.
Ridley makes a hazard.

Can you guys think of any good ones?

RIDLEY crashes the party!