Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Capt. Butt Stallion]

You mean the announcement later this week?

Maybe.

Wasn't Brawl roster leaked a month before release? The leakers need to step up their game! We all need to wait! Also, video footage would be nice...

Yeah, about a month before, but nobody believed it until it was proven to be real.

 

[Kamiko]

Literally everyone uses lol it has a specific connotation that I was trying to express please get over yourself

I missed this post for some reason, but I'd like to reveal to the world a shocking secret:

I'm the one person who doesn't use "lol". <- Literally the first time I've ever typed that right there.

 

[WayfaringElf]

Not to beat a dead horse fellas, but...


Now do you believe me when I say sakurai is the #MasterTroll

Master troll with a payoff. He doesn't troll for Misery, he trolls to make it seem grim and then BAM awesome hype thing.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Master troll with a payoff. He doesn't troll for Misery, he trolls to make it seem grim and then BAM awesome hype thing.

Not always. Let's take Takamaru for example. The first thing people notice in a PotD is the picture, I'm sure many (many) people were saying "OMFG! Takamaru confirmed!" Then they read his comment.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Not to beat a dead horse fellas, but...


Now do you believe me when I say sakurai is the Master Troll

Fixed, those filthy hashtags must never appear again!

And Sakurai took everyone in existance a trip on his ruse cruise like I mentioned before

 

[WayfaringElf]

Not always. Let's take Takamaru for example. The first thing people notice in a PotD is the picture, I'm sure many (many) people were saying "OMFG! Takamaru confirmed!" Then they read his comment.

That wouldn't be a troll, that's just people getting dissapointed over Takamaru being an assist trophy, the second people had hope for him he was disconfirmed. He was never teased, never hinted at, just blunty disconfirmed.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Fixed, those filthy hashtags must never appear again!

And Sakurai took everyone in existance a trip on his ruse cruise like I mentioned before

Not always. Let's take Takamaru for example. The first thing people notice in a PotD is the picture, I'm sure many (many) people were saying "OMFG! Takamaru confirmed!" Then they read his comment.

Am I the sick person who immideatly saw the name Takamaru and thought NUUUUUUUU?
And Sakurai confirmed Takamaru not being playable, no beating around the bush(that sounds dirty...) unlike Ridley who hasn't even been acknowledged

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

Yeah. This is my stance as well. I know there was a lot of effort put into the 2nd post, but as of yet, it doesn't prove Ridley is playable, it just makes you think he may not be a stage hazard because of the reasons shown.

I think that's the relative point. No one can actually prove Ridley's either playable or non-playable other than Sakurai himself. I'm pretty sure we're not stating he IS playable, just based on previous observations from what's been shown from Sakurai, most of us gathered Ridley seems more playable than stage hazard.

Edit: 'd

 

[ddd87]

Master troll with a payoff. He doesn't troll for Misery, he trolls to make it seem grim and then BAM awesome hype thing.

"Just because you try hard doesnt mean you're gonna make it"

Good thing Im not a Waluigi fan, that stings real hard.

 

[GalacticPetey]

This was a trailer idea I posted in the Mewtwo thread that had both Ridley and Mewtwo. What do you guys think?

*smash logo*

We see Samus running through a hallway. Lights and sirens going haywire. Samus kocks down a door and runs into a research lab. There are several test tubes and pods. One of them has shattered leaving liquid and broken glass everywhere. Samus begins to scan the area. In the background we begin hearing this theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G5HIJkkxU0). Mewtwo leaps out from the shadows.

MEWTWO STRIKES BACK!

The two begin battling and there battle takes them to the Pyrosphere (don't ask how). Samus detects something with her visor and Mewtwo senses something with its psychic powers. They cease their fighting as something big lands between them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fje8t9Jyy-o

RIDLEY MAKES HIS BIG DEBUT!

*cut to gameplay footage of Ridley and Mewtwo fighting each other and the other combatants on stages that are not Pyrospehere. We see that Mewtwo has been buffed and given some new moves and Ridley is shown to have a flying ablilty similar to Peach's float.*

*game logo*

The trailer ends with Mega Mewtwo Y glaring up at Ridley as the two prepare to fight each other.

 

[ZeroJinKui]

That's the only reason I think ridley even has a hope but it's a bit soon to be assuming he's guaranteed

when he is confirmed, you owe everyone an apology, and you will not be invited to ridley's smash party.

NO CAKE FOR YOU!

anyone who is still doubting after a year of teasing, thinking ridley is "strongly implied" to be anything other than a playable character... is suffering EXTREME denial.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

"Just because you try hard doesnt mean you're gonna make it"

Good thing Im not a Waluigi fan, that stings real hard.

That wasn't even meant to sting! Waluigi has been stated to be a hard worker in smash! Why does everyone think it was a mean comment? The Waluigi pluchie in the smash direct was to apologise I think

 

[ddd87]

I think that's the relative point. No one can actually prove Ridley's either playable or non-playable other than Sakurai himself. I'm pretty sure we're not stating he IS playable, just based on previous observations from what's been shown from Sakurai, most of us gathered Ridley seems more playable than stage hazard.

Edit: 'd

Read the post I quoted, he is responding to someone claiming that haters will be looking forward to see Ridley REMOVED from SSB5.

 

[JayJay55]

Come on Sakurai, tell us if Ridley is playable (Please be the first answer) or not. The ball is in your court, Sakurai.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I think that's the relative point. No one can actually prove Ridley's either playable or non-playable other than Sakurai himself. I'm pretty sure we're not stating he IS playable, just based on previous observations from what's been shown from Sakurai, most of us gathered Ridley seems more playable than stage hazard.

Edit: 'd

I would love some reasoning as to why you think he's playable.

And NO STRAW GRASPING.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I would love some reasoning as to why you think he's playable.

And NO STRAW GRASPING.

Sakurai has been proven to disconfirm stuff as soon as it's shown, not the case with Ridley or Palutena, has hinted at Ridley twice in the smash direct, again, just like Palutena. And Ridley's shadow moves odd and can be proven to be slightly redesigned

 

[ddd87]

stating he IS playable, just based on previous observations from what's been

That wasn't even meant to sting! Waluigi has been stated to be a hard worker in smash! Why does everyone think it was a mean comment? The Waluigi pluchie in the smash direct was to apologise I think

Please, its a joke, and Im sure they didnt take it kindly. It would be like deconfirming Ridley by saying: "I know he has been a highly requested character, but it simply was too big of a challenge for us".

 

[WayfaringElf]

I would love some reasoning as to why you think he's playable.

And NO STRAW GRASPING.

2nd post.

It's not straw grasping, it's using points from the past of Sakurai's behavior to show why I think this.

Takamaru-disconfirmed immediatly
Chrom- after people were confused, sakurai told ign he was a final smash
Waluigi, shown, immediatly disconfirmed.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Sakurai has been proven to disconfirm stuff as soon as it's shown, not the case with Ridley or Palutena, has hinted at Ridley twice in the smash direct, again, just like Palutena. And Ridley's shadow moves odd and can be proven to be slightly redesigned

Let's start with point A. Sakurai has been shown to disconfirm stuff as soon as it's shown. This is in no way a rule atypical to his behavior. Just because he does one thing MOST of the time does not mean he can't shake things up a little bit. We also now know that Sakurai does indeed troll.

Point B. Palutena was hinted at ONCE in the direct.

Point C: This is in no way even relevant. The game is still a work in progress. It's only natural things will look odd and buggy. It's always possible that Ridley's BOSS model, or even Pyrosphere itself is incomplete or glitch, which explains why we haven't seen it lately.

 

[BrigadeStuart]

i see a common theme to the detractors who come in here every so often, they say that sakurai implied ridley to be a boss beause he was shown after yellow devil. i remember someone was blowing up about it because alot of people were giving their thoughts about it

Let's start with point A. Sakurai has been shown to disconfirm stuff as soon as it's shown. This is in no way a rule atypical to his behavior. Just because he does one thing MOST of the time does not mean he can't shake things up a little bit. We also now know that Sakurai does indeed troll.

Point B. Palutena was hinted at ONCE in the direct.

Point C: This is in no way even relevant. The game is still a work in progress. It's only natural things will look odd and buggy. It's always possible that Ridley's BOSS model, or even Pyrosphere itself is incomplete or glitch, which explains why we haven't seen it lately.

okay so she was hinted at once in the direct...what about the time when this PotD was posted?

Spoiler

http://images.nintendolife.com/news...age_with_palutena_image/attachment/1/630x.jpg

so then she was hinted at twice

 

[Cutie Gwen]

stating he IS playable, just based on previous observations from what's been

Please, its a joke, and Im sure they didnt take it kindly. It would be like deconfirming Ridley by saying: "I know he has been a highly requested character, but it simply was too big of a challenge for us".

I needed to get rid of the steam as I see people everywhere saying GUIZ DON TRST SACKRI HE NO LISN 2 FNZ!!!!1

 

[WayfaringElf]

Let's start with point A. Sakurai has been shown to disconfirm stuff as soon as it's shown. This is in no way a rule atypical to his behavior. Just because he does one thing MOST of the time does not mean he can't shake things up a little bit. We also now know that Sakurai does indeed troll.

Point B. Palutena was hinted at ONCE in the direct.

Point C: This is in no way even relevant. The game is still a work in progress. It's only natural things will look odd and buggy. It's always possible that Ridley's BOSS model, or even Pyrosphere itself is incomplete or glitch, which explains why we haven't seen it lately.

Then why does he egg ridley fans on when there is doubt, he didn't say that ridley was a boss, he just "hinted" at it. No special tweets to clear up confusion.

 

[Naglfarii]

when he is confirmed, you owe everyone an apology, and you will not be invited to ridley's smash party.

NO CAKE FOR YOU!

anyone who is still doubting after a year of teasing, thinking ridley is "strongly implied" to be anything other than a playable character... is suffering EXTREME denial.

Pretty sure I'm not the one in denial but ok. When was he even teased other than the direct?

If I'm right you have to apologize to me

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Then why does he egg ridley fans on when there is doubt, he didn't say that ridley was a boss, he just "hinted" at it. No special tweets to clear up confusion.

He also is "egging on" with Meta Knight right here.

And might I point out that the second post is nothing but grasping at straws which do not in effect exist.

 

[WayfaringElf]

Pretty sure I'm not the one in denial but ok. When was he even teased other than the direct?

If I'm right you have to apologize to me

"Enemy from Samus' past may appear at any second"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Let's start with point A. Sakurai has been shown to disconfirm stuff as soon as it's shown. This is in no way a rule atypical to his behavior. Just because he does one thing MOST of the time does not mean he can't shake things up a little bit. We also now know that Sakurai does indeed troll.

Point B. Palutena was hinted at ONCE in the direct.

Point C: This is in no way even relevant. The game is still a work in progress. It's only natural things will look odd and buggy. It's always possible that Ridley's BOSS model, or even Pyrosphere itself is incomplete or glitch, which explains why we haven't seen it lately.

Point A: Ridley is the only exception to this rule apparantly, as he has has no confirmation whatsoever
Point B: I consider showing Pit's new FS to be teasing Palutena, as everyone thought "Hey, what happened to Palutena?"
Point C: The Wii U version is in development, Pyrosphere was one of the first stages shown and has been worked on for a few years, it's silly to claim it's probably unfinished
Point 4: Ridley's wings look MUCH different in Other M than the shadow, the shadow seems to be based on the Concept Art for Other M

 

[Phaazoid]

There is no hard evidence that Ridley is playable.

There is also no hard evidence that Ridley is a boss

There is only hard evidence that Ridley is in the game, and appears on the pyrosphere.

*shrug

 

[BrigadeStuart]

He also is "egging on" with Meta Knight right here.

And might I point out that the second post is nothing but grasping at straws which do not in effect exist.

1. "grasp at straws. This idiom refers to a drowning man grabbing any floating object, even a straw, to save himself. It was first used by Thomas More in Dialogue of Comfort Against Tribulation (1534). " Well then

 

[hotcrumpets]

He also is "egging on" with Meta Knight right here.

And might I point out that the second post is nothing but grasping at straws which do not in effect exist.

So let me get this straight
MEta knight being teased, even Sakurai stating his name= Playable
RIdley being teased for a year, without ever showing him(besides the shadow) or saying his name= boss 100%
wat.

 

[Kamiko]

It would be like deconfirming Ridley by saying: "I know he has been a highly requested character, but it simply was too big of a challenge for us".

I'll take that over the teasing we have now. Said teasing is fine if he's playable though.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He also is "egging on" with Meta Knight right here.

And might I point out that the second post is nothing but grasping at straws which do not in effect exist.

I don't think you are being serious, what's next, saying he is too big?

 

[SuperSegaSonicSS]

I would love some reasoning as to why you think he's playable.

And NO STRAW GRASPING.

Well I'm not good at detailed explanations, so I'll be frank about it. Sakurai has went out of his way to mention every single person's role in SSB4 (excluding Ridley). Every non-playable character has been revealed (showing their in-game model) and has been stated not playable at the same time they were announced. As for playable characters, every one to date has gotten some form of teasing, most notably with a stage. Little Mac, Greninja, Palutena, Miis, Pacman, and Robin have gotten something ahead of time that linked back to them that may hint to there inclusion, and every one of them got revealed later on in SSB4's development. Ridley is the only character that not only been teased with Pyrosphere, he has never been mentioned by name (similar to Palutena) or shown off (as in his in-game model) and Sakurai has yet to announce his role compared to every other character he revealed to this date. IMO, this alone is why I feel Ridley could most likely be playable as multiple circumstances has shown up for other characters who was revealed playable.

 

[BrigadeStuart]

So let me get this straight
MEta knight being teased, even Sakurai stating his name= Playable
RIdley being teased for a year, without ever showing him(besides the shadow) or saying his name= boss 100%
wat.

Spoiler

https://d3esbfg30x759i.cloudfront.net/ss/zlCfzSStvgo5-V0uS0 "Pic of the day. "Hello! I'm Samus, the intergalactic bounty hunter!" "And I am Meta Knight, joining the battle!!"' Joining the battle....or maybe this could mean https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd....401_745158298878189_6026848652870089232_n.jpg

 

[Deleted member]

Let's start with point A. Sakurai has been shown to disconfirm stuff as soon as it's shown. This is in no way a rule atypical to his behavior. Just because he does one thing MOST of the time does not mean he can't shake things up a little bit. We also now know that Sakurai does indeed troll.

Point B. Palutena was hinted at ONCE in the direct.

Point C: This is in no way even relevant. The game is still a work in progress. It's only natural things will look odd and buggy. It's always possible that Ridley's BOSS model, or even Pyrosphere itself is incomplete or glitch, which explains why we haven't seen it lately.

Well Ridley was also only teased once in the Direct (unless we are counting his music playing over the King Kihunter Trophy).
What needs to be kept in mind as well is that Palutena was also teased elsewhere, like Ridley:
Palutena:

Pic of the day. You can find this statue of the Goddess of Light in one of the stages. She's watching over the arena.

Ridley:

Out of the blue here's a new stage--the Pyrosphere from Metroid: Other M! An enemy from Samus's past may appear at any second...

Certainly Palutena wasn't teased to the extent that Ridley was/is, but both of them were shown outside of the Direct and not mentioned directly by name, but still easily inferred.

Furthermore, Pyrosphere was shown on August 20th 2013, Ridley's Shadow was shown on April 8th 2014. Not only that, but they also showed (albeit not finished at the time) the FD version of Pyrosphere. If the basic version of Pyrosphere was having problems, why would they move on to the FD form, leaving the original stage unfinished? Furthermore, the time span between the first showing of Pyrosphere and first mention of Ridley is 12 days short of 8 months, a team as large as the one working on this iteration of Smash Bros. would not be taking almost 8 months to finish a boss hazard after the first time he was mentioned. If they had to take 8 months to just make progress on a single boss hazard, then this game wouldn't be coming out until 2024.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

There is no hard evidence that Ridley is playable.

There is also no hard evidence that Ridley is a boss

There is only hard evidence that Ridley is in the game, and appears on the pyrosphere.

*shrug

Actually, there is hard evidence that he is a boss. The EXACT words from the direct where Ridley is shown are "Other Boss Character Appearances". Then Ridley's shadows swoops down. And don't even bother with the "Other M Clone Ridley" thing either. Samus uses her Other M design. The solely shown Metroid stage is from Other M. Zero Suit's design is mainly inspoired by Other M. If Ridley were to be playable, he'd be using the Other M design too.

 

[Naglfarii]

So let me get this straight
MEta knight being teased, even Sakurai stating his name= Playable
RIdley being teased for a year, without ever showing him(besides the shadow) or saying his name= boss 100%
wat.

Well his shadow was shown as Sakurai said there will be other bosses besides yellow devil so the implication is pretty clear. So Sakurai would have be trolling very hard for ridley to be playable.

The smash boards in general remind me of Republicans in 2012 who were so insular, and started with a conclusion they liked then looked for evidence for it, that they'd totally convinced themselves victory over Obama was guaranteed. Only to be totally crushed.

It's also a mistake I made getting my hopes up for Isaac in brawl

 

[Phaazoid]

Actually, there is hard evidence that he is a boss. The EXACT words from the direct where Ridley is shown are "Other Boss Character Appearances". Then Ridley's shadows swoops down. And don't even bother with the "Other M Clone Ridley" thing either. Samus uses her Other M design. The solely shown Metroid stage is from Other M. Zero Suit's design is mainly inspoired by Other M. If Ridley were to be playable, he'd be using the Other M design too.

That's not hard evidence. That's Sakurai going out of his way to not give hard evidence. If it were hard evidence, either Sakurai would have said "Ridley is a boss", or we would have seen footage of Ridley as a boss.

Hard evidence is exactly what we're lacking here.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Actually, there is hard evidence that he is a boss. The EXACT words from the direct where Ridley is shown are "Other Boss Character Appearances". Then Ridley's shadows swoops down. And don't even bother with the "Other M Clone Ridley" thing either. Samus uses her Other M design. The solely shown Metroid stage is from Other M. Zero Suit's design is mainly inspoired by Other M. If Ridley were to be playable, he'd be using the Other M design too.

Look at who's grasping at straws here...Just one question, if Sakurai wanted to avoid fake hype, why hype Ridley being a boss? because of boss hazards? Yellow Devil already did that!

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Well Ridley was also only teased once in the Direct (unless we are counting his music playing over the King Kihunter Trophy).
What needs to be kept in mind as well is that Palutena was also teased elsewhere, like Ridley:
Palutena:

Ridley:

Certainly Palutena wasn't teased to the extent that Ridley was/is, but both of them were shown outside of the Direct and not mentioned directly by name, but still easily inferred.

Furthermore, Pyrosphere was shown on August 20th 2013, Ridley's Shadow was shown on April 8th 2014. Not only that, but they also showed (albeit not finished at the time) the FD version of Pyrosphere. If the basic version of Pyrosphere was having problems, why would they move on to the FD form, leaving the original stage unfinished? Furthermore, the time span between the first showing of Pyrosphere and first mention of Ridley is 12 days short of 8 months, a team as large as the one working on this iteration of Smash Bros. would not be taking almost 8 months to finish a boss hazard after the first time he was mentioned. If they had to take 8 months to just make progress on a single boss hazard, then this game wouldn't be coming out until 2024.

A statue = the actual character. This is not teasing, this is showing off a background element.

It appears that Sakurai decides each picture himself. Maybe he doesn't find anything on Pyrosphere warranting a picture of the day yet. Or yet again, he 's trolling you. So what if it's 8 months, that just means he had 8 months of material he deemed more worthy than a pathetic boss.

 

[BrigadeStuart]

the pattern continues