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Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

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Well, if Roidley's husk was the one which collapsed on the BSC space station, how do we know real Ridley is dead?

Samus returned from SR-388, and a cell scraping was taken from her armor and cloned. This became Roidley. But the original Roidley could well have survived. It's not as though he hasn't survived or been rescued from some world-shattering events before. I mean, just look at Meta-Ridley.

Roidley is now dead and gone with Samus's victory over Ridley-X and her absorbing the X Parasite from it. Ridley is waiting there for a new chance to lead the Space Pirates to victory.
 

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O Ridley! My Ridley! our fearful trip is done;The ship has weather'd every rack, the prize we sought is won;The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring:

But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Ridley lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
O Ridley! My Ridley! rise up and hear the bells;Rise up—for you the flag is flung—for you the bugle trills;For you bouquets and ribbon'd wreaths—for you the shores a-crowding;For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;


Here Ridley! dear father!
This arm beneath your head;
It is some dream that on the deck,
You've fallen cold and dead.
My Ridley does not answer, his lips are pale and still;My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will;The ship is anchor'd safe and sound, its voyage closed and done;From fearful trip, the victor ship, comes in with object won;


Exult, O shores, and ring, O bells!
But I, with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.
 

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Anything with half a brain would already single out Samus as the biggest threat in that situation.

I think intelligence is a natural trait. He's a dragon. Dragons are not stupid creatures. They're some of the longest lived, most cunning, most ruthless entities in fiction.
Oh yeah. That makes sense that she's the most observable threat. But I wouldn't go as far to say it's cause he's a "dragon". It's fiction, any continuity of a trope or archetype is kinda up to the author. Also, Ridley's not really a dragon. Just... an alien.
 

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Well, if Roidley's husk was the one which collapsed on the BSC space station, how do we know real Ridley is dead?

Samus returned from SR-388, and a cell scraping was taken from her armor and cloned. This became Roidley. But the original Roidley could well have survived. It's not as though he hasn't survived or been rescued from some world-shattering events before. I mean, just look at Meta-Ridley.

Roidley is now dead and gone with Samus's victory over Ridley-X and her absorbing the X Parasite from it. Ridley is waiting there for a new chance to lead the Space Pirates to victory.
The story of Ridley has ended, only ersatz clones and imitations were left and they were also killed. But its highly likely the federation will try to pull some **** again, or maybe even the space pirates.
 

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I looked into this further as I am incredibly curious. It was told flat out Mother Brain was in control of Ridley and the space pirates, this was retconed by the manga saying that Mother Brain only took control of the space pirates and left Ridley alone to do his own bidding and strategize. So he is in fact an intelligent being
 

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In the manga, that's gonna be brought up a lot as it's where we get the most info on Ridley outside of characteristics, Ridley showed signs of increased intelligence and leadership before he even met mother brain during the attack on K-2L.

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I dunno though, it's also suggested Mother Brain is controlling Ridley and the space pirates in the super metroid manual. Continuity and lore is hard. :(
The way I interpret it with modern story is that Ridley, who lead the space pirates to Zebes to begin with, made use of the Mother Brain which was found there in order to have it control the space pirates and handle the operation. He basically let it do what it wanted and take charge because being a chozo supercomputer, it's kind of slightly above average intelligence on one or two things. Not so much Mother Brain controlling Ridley, but Ridley voluntarily letting the Mother Brain run things because it's smart. Because it's a brain.

EDIT: Ridley and the space pirates AND Mother Brain were annihilated in the destruction of Zebes. Roidley was made from Ridley's DNA obtained from Samus' suit, and after dying had his corpse locked up in a freezer where it was taken over by the X-Parasites.

The original Ridley is definitely dead, though that doesn't prevent more cloning OR a game that just takes place before Super Metroid where he and everyone who would voluntarily revive him all die.
 
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...what is everyone talking about?

what does mega salamence have to do with ridley?

what is this corocoro stuff people are talking about? are they showing some livestream or something?

im so confused!
CoroCoro is a Japanese magazine notorious for showing early scans/information ("leaking" even though it's officially confirming, not leaking per se) of games like Pokemon. The issue coming out this month was said to contain both new info on Pokemon (specifically Mega Evolutions) and Smash (in depth look at currently-revealed stages). Right now some "scans" of the issue are being uploaded early to Japanese image boards.

As for Mega Salamence, that was simply a joke. People have been expecting a new Dragon character to be revealed by this, after all.


Are you sure? Playing through that scene again, the husk that collapses does not look like Roidley. Nor does the copied X form.
Obviously Other M didn't exist at the time of Fusion's development. Huskley looks more like Super Metroid Ridley because that's pretty much the only reference they had back then. T'were an HD Fusion/remake to happen, they'd obviously update its appearance to suit the needs, or just retcon Other M entirely (or just not mention anything since 2D Metroid and 3D Metroid often have vastly differing art styles).

I hope you're being sarcastic, really. Salamence already has "mega pokemon" stats.
So do Garchomp, Tyranitar, the Lati@s duo, and now Metagross. Plus Mewtwo. But that's neither here nor there.

Edit: Ugh. And the design is terrible. Let's hope Ridley never gets a Mega Stone.
I could see Metroid eventually having an item called the Ridleynite, material harder/as durable as Ridley's armored scales.

Alternatively just Ridley's version of Kryptonite.
 

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The story of Ridley has ended, only ersatz clones and imitations were left and they were also killed. But its highly likely the federation will try to pull some **** again, or maybe even the space pirates.
What evidence do you have of this, though? The fact that SR-388 blew up? He could have fairly easily escaped that, or been rescued, even if we don't see a pixel escaping for Ridley's departure. He could head to the back of the screen, and the light's blocked by the exploding planet.
 

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Genesect isn't evil, in fact, it's not even savage. It's just an ancient bug that got upgraded, no evil or malicious intent outside of hunting for food.
The same could be said for the clone of Ridley.

I looked into this further as I am incredibly curious. It was told flat out Mother Brain was in control of Ridley and the space pirates, this was retconed by the manga saying that Mother Brain only took control of the space pirates and left Ridley alone to do his own bidding and strategize. So he is in fact an intelligent being
I've read around extensively and the manga has many contradictions and plot holes. I hope they fix this up eventually but I'm not sure if they ever will.
 
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Would Ridley really get anticlimactically disconfirmed in some Japanese magazine?

...I hope not.
 

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CoroCoro is a Japanese magazine notorious for showing early scans/information ("leaking" even though it's officially confirming, not leaking per se) of games like Pokemon. The issue coming out this month was said to contain both new info on Pokemon (specifically Mega Evolutions) and Smash (in depth look at currently-revealed stages). Right now some "scans" of the issue are being uploaded early to Japanese image boards.


It's a leak because the information is being released before it is officially supposed to be. If the information was released when the magazine hit shelves, that would not be a leak. But the page scans early are literally the definition of "leak".

As for Mega Salamence, that was simply a joke. People have been expecting a new Dragon character to be revealed by this, after all.
Serebii has confirmed and shown the page scan with Mega Salamence.
 

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What evidence do you have of this, though? The fact that SR-388 blew up? He could have fairly easily escaped that, or been rescued, even if we don't see a pixel escaping for Ridley's departure. He could head to the back of the screen, and the light's blocked by the exploding planet.
In other M it is stated he died for good on Zebes, and the planet also exploded destroying any remains.

And before you get all, well what about the remains? Maybe someone salvaged them? No they were disintegrated even before the planets destruction. I also personally killed him as well so I know.

I really like Ridley, but the original is dead for good. Its just people messing with his DNA now to try and harness his power.
 

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There are only 2 things that can deconfirm a character. Sakurai or a falcon punch. theres no chance of him being deconfirmed in corocoro because of that if he ever does get deconfirmed, which is very unlikely :]
 
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It's a leak because the information is being released before it is officially supposed to be. If the information was released when the magazine hit shelves, that would not be a leak. But the page scans early are literally the definition of "leak".
I said it's not a leak because it's an official source confirming information that Nintendo themselves gave the okay on.

The early showing isn't from them, it's from people who get copies of the magazine early (usually other reviewers/people with connections like Serebii)


Serebii has confirmed and shown the page scan with Mega Salamence.
...That wasn't the joke. The joke was that the dragon we were expecting (Ridley) turned out to be Mega Salamence instead.
 

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In other M it is stated he died for good on Zebes, and the planet also exploded destroying any remains.
Stated by whom? The Galactic Federation, who don't know any better. Or Samus, who also doesn't know if he actually survived or not. The game didn't feature an omnipotent narrator, merely character narration.

I really like Ridley, but the original is dead for good. Its just people messing with his DNA now to try and harness his power.
Lies! Foolish squishy LIIIIIIEEE-


Question: Are the Metroid Prime games still considered canon?

I said it's not a leak because it's an official source confirming information that Nintendo themselves gave the okay on.

The early showing isn't from them, it's from people who get copies of the magazine early (usually other reviewers/people with connections like Serebii)
Yes, but that early showing is what everyone is talking about when they say "the CoroCoro leak". The early info, not the magazine's official announcement status.
 
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Stated by whom? The Galactic Federation, who don't know any better. Or Samus, who also doesn't know if he actually survived or not. The game didn't feature an omnipotent narrator, merely character narration.



Lies! Foolish squishy LIIIIIIEEE-


Question: Are the Metroid Prime games still considered canon?
well of course they are, and did you read the rest of my last post? And if you argue with actual in game statements you really can't base any argument on anything and prove it.
 

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well of course they are, and did you read the rest of my last post? And if you argue with actual in game statements you really can't base any argument on anything and prove it.
If Prime is canon, and Prime occurs before Super Metroid, then the real Ridley never appears in Super Metroid. Because in Super Metroid, you're facing an entirely organic Ridley, while the real Ridley was built into Meta-Ridley in the events of Metroid Prime.
 

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If Prime is canon, and Prime occurs before Super Metroid, then the real Ridley never appears in Super Metroid. Because in Super Metroid, you're facing an entirely organic Ridley, while the real Ridley was built into Meta-Ridley in the events of Metroid Prime.
Metroid canonical order.

1.Metroid
2.Metroid Zero mission
3.Metroid prime
4.Metroid prime hunters.
5.metroid prime 2 Echoes(one of my favorites)
6.Metroid prime 3 corruption
7.Metroid 2 return of samus
8.Super Metroid(Ridley loses for the final time in this and was legimately killed.)
9.Metroid Other M
10.Metroid Fusion
 
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Metroid canonical order.

1.Metroid
2.Metroid Zero mission
3.Metroid prime
4.Metroid prime hunters.
5.metroid prime 2 Echoes(one of my favorites
6.Metroid prime 3 corruption
7.Metroid 2 return of samus
8.Super Metroid(Ridley loses for the final time in this and was legimately killed.)
9.Metroid Other M
10.Metroid Fusion
Ok. So, if Ridley was badly beat up in Metroid/Metroid Zero Mission, and had to be rebuilt into a half cyborg, how does he return to SR-388 in a fully organic form? He doesn't. Ridley is never in Super Metroid. It's another member of his species serving as Mother Brain's lackey. The real Ridley is Meta-Ridley. He's still out there... Waiting.
 
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Ok. So, if Ridley was badly beat up in Metroid/[/I]Metroid Zero Mission[/I], and had to be rebuilt into a half cyborg, how does he return to SR-388 in a fully organic form? He doesn't. Ridley is never in Super Metroid. It's another member of his species serving as Mother Brain's lackey. The real Ridley is Meta-Ridley. He's still out there... Waiting.
Didn't Ridley get significantly more fleshy as time went on in the prime series? As if his body adapted to the metal exterior started growing around it to create the Super Metroid Ridley. Maybe that was the purpose of Meta Ridley. To create a slow healing process as Ridley rebuilt himself.
 

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Didn't Ridley get significantly more fleshy as time went on in the prime series? As if his body adapted to the metal exterior started growing around it to create the Super Metroid Ridley. Maybe that was the purpose of Meta Ridley. To create a slow healing process as Ridley rebuilt himself.
Didn't the phazon start healing him or something? That would mean Omega Ridley everntually pushed out the robotics naturally. Well, as natural as mutating space poison can get.
 

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Ok. So, if Ridley was badly beat up in Metroid/Metroid Zero Mission, and had to be rebuilt into a half cyborg, how does he return to SR-388 in a fully organic form? He doesn't. Ridley is never in Super Metroid. It's another member of his species serving as Mother Brain's lackey. The real Ridley is Meta-Ridley. He's still out there... Waiting.
Creative art changes over time and things become retconned, perhaps they found a way to heal his body or it was retconned.

Retconned meaning some piece of lore being changed at a future place in time to suit some new storyline or whatever.
He is dead, I'm sorry.

I'm not trying to be a wall that denies you, but he is just dead, that is just a fact. It was directly stated that he died for good on Zebes.

It hurts to lose a character you like very much, when Wesker in resident evil died it ruined the series for me and it just doesn't taste the same anymore.
 
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THEORY TIME!

So we set the scene in Zero Mission, Ridley is a slick jet black, Samus kicks his a** and he is sent in to be rebuilt as meta Ridley, Ridley starts to lose color as he should be dead making him the trademark purple. He then fights Samus as his new robotic form, he loses but flees. Then in metroid prime 3 Ridley is slowly healing and turning a hue of blue as flesh starts to take over his body once more even before the phazon and is rapidly sped up in Omega Ridley form with the phazon. This is where he starts to heal to super metroid status, afterwards his body pushes out the unneeded robotic parts and he has returned to a normal purple hue, still watered down from his normal jet black, but it will suffice. Super metroid then marks the death of OG Ridley. As Roidley died as soon as he grew up, he never achieved Jet black coloring.
 
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Ok. So, if Ridley was badly beat up in Metroid/Metroid Zero Mission, and had to be rebuilt into a half cyborg, how does he return to SR-388 in a fully organic form? He doesn't. Ridley is never in Super Metroid. It's another member of his species serving as Mother Brain's lackey. The real Ridley is Meta-Ridley. He's still out there... Waiting.
Or you know, Super Metroid was made 12 years before the conclusion of the Prime series, so nobody thought of that. Ridley has been stated to be the only one of his species that's still alive at the time of Super Metroid, and if it was a fake Ridley we'd have seen a situation similar to fake Kraid in Metroid 1 where Mother Brain's lock wouldn't have activated.

It is undisputed canon that the original Ridley is dead, only via retconning can that be undone, hence why I still think SM should have been the end of the Metroid story, it wraps up everything.
 
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Or you know, Super Metroid was made 12 years before the conclusion of the Prime series, so nobody thought of that. Ridley has been stated to be the only one of his species that's still alive at the time of Super Metroid, and if it was a fake Ridley we'd have seen a situation similar to fake Kraid in Metroid 1 where Mother Brain's lock wouldn't have activated.

It is undisputed canon that the original Ridley is dead, only via retconning can that be undone, hence why I still think SM should have been the end of the Metroid story, it wraps up everything.
Or, or it could be my overly complicated theory right guys?

Right guys? :,)
 

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Or you know, Super Metroid was made 12 years before the conclusion of the Prime series, so nobody thought of that. Ridley has been stated to be the only one of his species that's still alive at the time of Super Metroid, and if it was a fake Ridley we'd have seen a situation similar to fake Kraid in Metroid 1 where Mother Brain's lock wouldn't have activated.

It is undisputed canon that the original Ridley is dead, only via retconning can that be undone, hence why I still think SM should have been the end of the Metroid story, it wraps up everything.
You have no idea what Metroid Fusions ending has done to me.. Forever wondering what samus will do now with a weakness to cold ect.

And I am personally one for series that never end but change over time and new characters being introduced.
 

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You have no idea what Metroid Fusions ending has done to me.. Forever wondering what samus will do now with a weakness to cold ect.

And I am personally one for series that never end but change over time and new characters being introduced.
I like for things to wrap up properly, I have seen far too many things get butchered because they aren't willing to put a stop to it while it's actually good, whatever they could introduce from now on can't have any special ties with Samus really since we've already gone over everything from her younger days. Metroid isn't a character centric franchise either, and as evidently shown by Other M it shouldn't be that either, so that's just wishing for new bullseyes imo.
 

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I like for things to wrap up properly, I have seen far too many things get butchered because they aren't willing to put a stop to it while it's actually good, whatever they could introduce from now on can't have any special ties with Samus really since we've already gone over everything from her younger days. Metroid isn't a character centric franchise either, and as evidently shown by Other M it shouldn't be that either, so that's just wishing for new bullseyes imo.
You know they want to expand the Metroid universe right? They said they wanted to introduce more hunters like in prime 3 and prime hunters.

And if they do that I would be very interested, the universe has so many uniquely looking aliens compared to others. And playing as a different hunter again? Sign me up.
 

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I said it's not a leak because it's an official source confirming information that Nintendo themselves gave the okay on.

The early showing isn't from them, it's from people who get copies of the magazine early (usually other reviewers/people with connections like Serebii)




...That wasn't the joke. The joke was that the dragon we were expecting (Ridley) turned out to be Mega Salamence instead.
It IS a leak because the information is coming out early. The magazine itself is what is getting leaked. If an announcement was intended to come out before August 12th and CoroCoro reveals info from that announcement, it is a leak, even though CoroCoro themselves had nothing to do with it. That said, we'd have to have a Direct on Monday, which isn't likely.

Assuming everything goes as expected, Pyrosphere should in theory pop up in these scans, so either way it may turn out interesting. We'll have to see how it goes, though.
 

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You know they want to expand the Metroid universe right? They said they wanted to introduce more hunters like in prime 3 and prime hunters.

And if they do that I would be very interested, the universe has so many uniquely looking aliens compared to others. And playing as a different hunter again? Sign me up.
I know Retro said this, and that combined with how lackluster Prime 3 was makes me want to see someone else than Retro make Metroid games instead. The Hunters were imo extremely bland, they were just a moving bullseye with no character potential, and their attempt to flesh out the Metroidverse in Prime 3 also fell flat on its face. Obviously I realize you disagree, I mean just look at your profile, but I still consider Hunters the worst Metroid game.

The problem with introducing new characters to replace the old ones is that Metroid has no way of fleshing out those characters unless it goes the storytelling route of Other M, the old characters were already established via manuals and mangas, something you won't see being done today, so they will always work best. Personally I don't like the direction they've been taking Metroid for a long time, and I'm ready to jump off the train if we get Prime 3: Hunters to take us out of the current hiatus.

Assuming everything goes as expected, Pyrosphere should in theory pop up in these scans, so either way it may turn out interesting. We'll have to see how it goes, though.
It's 3DS only, so don't expect anything related to Ridley.
 
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