Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Cutie Gwen]

Met a detractor on Relax Alax's vid, here are his arguments against my arguments. EDIT: Apparently it should be stated my arguments are in bold


"Sakurai doesn't hint at bosses, he shows them."

This is an incredulous claim. So I'm sure Sakurai didn't hint at other boss appearances on various stages during the direct. I'm sure Sakurai didn'thint that Ridley would be one of the stage bosses players have to watch out for.

"Sakurai knew loads of people wanted Ridley playable."

It doesn't make a difference whether people wanted Ridley or not. I'm sure people want Waluigi or Isaac playable but they've been assist trophies. It doesn't matter if a character is highly wanted or not. It all depends on whether or not Sakurai can integrate them into the game and make them fit.

"Sakurai is listening to the western audience this time as of Little Mac"

This is a selfish claim.

"People found out that shadow isn't all too big."

Shadow analyses aren't accurate. You can't successfully get the feel of something by looking at its shadow. Light source effects how a shadow looks.

"Sakurai stated nothing about, didn't show or even mention Ridley."

Sakurai hasn't mentioned any other bosses either. We saw the Dark Emperor from Find Mii, for instance, but we don't even know what he does yet.

"It's almost been one year, and there ARE people who are still vague about Ridley."

The only thing vague is what Ridley does as a stage boss, and even then most people noticed that Ridley seems to grab Pikachu before taking off, meaning that he might swoop in to harass fighters by snatching them away or other things. Ridley's status as a boss isn't vague at all.

"It would also cause FAKE HYPE."

Sakurai isn't the one causing the fake hype. It's you people.

How about I rip this f*&%er a new one after a confirmation? And HOLY CRAP 20TH AUGUST IS ON A WEDNESDAY! For those who don't know, Nintendo Directs are usually on a Wednesday, 1 year reveal anyone?

 

[Ridley_Prime]

I feel like I need to remind everyone what Nintendo did to "celebrate" Metroid's 25th anniversary: A PR email commemorating the ocation and M2:RoS releasing on the VC. Nothing else.

Legend of Zelda got a remake of one of its Game Boy games on the 25th of its anniversary IIRC, but a Metroid II remake be damned of course.

A lot of peoples will be happy. And the balance will be restored.

Just...WTF?! And did he wanted to say just Project M or he was talking about MUGEN? In latter's case, it is wrong.
http://4archive.org/v/thread/256343585
And that quote:

I made 2 Ridleys for that and there was SM Ridley made in ~2008.

That post has gotta be the most major facepalm I've given to 4chan in awhile. Well you heard it; Ridley's unfeasible even on Mugen guiz.

 

[ghastmine]

I hope ridley is confirmed before the 26th since that's when I head back to school again.

 

[WayfaringElf]

I hope ridley is confirmed before the 26th since that's when I head back to school again.

I got back the 19th and my birthday is on the 15th. Direct on the 14th maybe?

 

[DarkFalcon]

Met a detractor on Relax Alax's vid, here are his arguments against my arguments.

"Sakurai doesn't hint at bosses, he shows them."

This is an incredulous claim. So I'm sure Sakurai didn't hint at other boss appearances on various stages during the direct. I'm sure Sakurai didn'thint that Ridley would be one of the stage bosses players have to watch out for.

"Sakurai knew loads of people wanted Ridley playable."

It doesn't make a difference whether people wanted Ridley or not. I'm sure people want Waluigi or Isaac playable but they've been assist trophies. It doesn't matter if a character is highly wanted or not. It all depends on whether or not Sakurai can integrate them into the game and make them fit.

"Sakurai is listening to the western audience this time as of Little Mac"

This is a selfish claim.

"People found out that shadow isn't all too big."

Shadow analyses aren't accurate. You can't successfully get the feel of something by looking at its shadow. Light source effects how a shadow looks.

"Sakurai stated nothing about, didn't show or even mention Ridley."

Sakurai hasn't mentioned any other bosses either. We saw the Dark Emperor from Find Mii, for instance, but we don't even know what he does yet.

"It's almost been one year, and there ARE people who are still vague about Ridley."

The only thing vague is what Ridley does as a stage boss, and even then most people noticed that Ridley seems to grab Pikachu before taking off, meaning that he might swoop in to harass fighters by snatching them away or other things. Ridley's status as a boss isn't vague at all.

"It would also cause FAKE HYPE."

Sakurai isn't the one causing the fake hype. It's you people.

How about I rip this f*&%er a new one after a confirmation? And HOLY CRAP 20TH AUGUST IS ON A WEDNESDAY! For those who don't know, Nintendo Directs are usually on a Wednesday, 1 year reveal anyone?

Wow I found that comment. There's nothing you can say against people who are THAT set on denying every bit of evidence. I'll give him credit he's set enough on his belief to type all that and believe it, but how can he say it's the fans creating hype when Sakurai has been very secretive about this entire thing?

Also if you rip on him after he's confirmed he'll probably just call you immature and act all high and mighty. He seems like that type of person judging from the comment.

 

[Skyblade12]

Wow I found that comment. There's nothing you can say against people who are THAT set on denying every bit of evidence. I'll give him credit he's set enough on his belief to type all that and believe it, but how can he say it's the fans creating hype when Sakurai has been very secretive about this entire thing?

All hype is fan-created. The devs just make a game, the fans create the hype. Nothing a developer does can be responsible for generating any excitement in the fans, it's all created by how the fans choose to react to things.

In other words, he can say that because he has no idea how human nature or marketing works.

 

[MagnesD3]

Ridley will be playable.

 

[Mariohuge]

There's something I've noticed in the direct, about Ridley. People are obviously talking about how only his shadow was shown and how HE wasn't actually revealed to be nonplayable, but let's ignore all that for a second. If Ridley is indeed playable, and that is indeed his walk-idle-walk animation...

Then why is he flying that high?

Even during his idle animation and upright, Ridley is still flying very high up from the stage, as opposed to characters such as super sonic and game&watch's octopus. Some may say it's a final smash he has, but the screen isn't dim or anything. Not to mention characters like palutena or charizard don't fly in place (I'm leaving out Pit cuz you know he's sensitive about his wings).

Kind of makes you think, doesn't it?

 

[BrigadeStuart]

Met a detractor on Relax Alax's vid, here are his arguments against my arguments.

"Sakurai doesn't hint at bosses, he shows them."

This is an incredulous claim. So I'm sure Sakurai didn't hint at other boss appearances on various stages during the direct. I'm sure Sakurai didn'thint that Ridley would be one of the stage bosses players have to watch out for.

"Sakurai knew loads of people wanted Ridley playable."

It doesn't make a difference whether people wanted Ridley or not. I'm sure people want Waluigi or Isaac playable but they've been assist trophies. It doesn't matter if a character is highly wanted or not. It all depends on whether or not Sakurai can integrate them into the game and make them fit.

"Sakurai is listening to the western audience this time as of Little Mac"

This is a selfish claim.

"People found out that shadow isn't all too big."

Shadow analyses aren't accurate. You can't successfully get the feel of something by looking at its shadow. Light source effects how a shadow looks.

"Sakurai stated nothing about, didn't show or even mention Ridley."

Sakurai hasn't mentioned any other bosses either. We saw the Dark Emperor from Find Mii, for instance, but we don't even know what he does yet.

"It's almost been one year, and there ARE people who are still vague about Ridley."

The only thing vague is what Ridley does as a stage boss, and even then most people noticed that Ridley seems to grab Pikachu before taking off, meaning that he might swoop in to harass fighters by snatching them away or other things. Ridley's status as a boss isn't vague at all.

"It would also cause FAKE HYPE."

Sakurai isn't the one causing the fake hype. It's you people.

How about I rip this f*&%er a new one after a confirmation? And HOLY CRAP 20TH AUGUST IS ON A WEDNESDAY! For those who don't know, Nintendo Directs are usually on a Wednesday, 1 year reveal anyone?

im going to gladly assume that your arguments are the ones in bold " "
his arguments are bad but theres one in particular that is just the biggest face palm.
"Shadow analyses aren't accurate. You can't successfully get the feel of something by looking at its shadow. Light source effects how a shadow looks." HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM cant get the FEEL of SOMETHING by LOOKING at its SHADOW? thats the whole POINT of the analyses. sure at first glance the shadow looks huge. but comparing it with other shadows, it isnt that big.

 

[Samuel Intrater]

There's something I've noticed in the direct, about Ridley. People are obviously talking about how only his shadow was shown and how HE wasn't actually revealed to be nonplayable, but let's ignore all that for a second. If Ridley is indeed playable, and that is indeed his walk-idle-walk animation...

Then why is he flying that high?

Even during his idle animation and upright, Ridley is still flying very high up from the stage, as opposed to characters such as super sonic and game&watch's octopus. Some may say it's a final smash he has, but the screen isn't dim or anything. Not to mention characters like palutena or charizard don't fly in place (I'm leaving out Pit cuz you know he's sensitive about his wings).

Kind of makes you think, doesn't it?

I feel like Ridley could be a very unique character, and could have the ability to fly without limits.

 

[Deleted member]

There's something I've noticed in the direct, about Ridley. People are obviously talking about how only his shadow was shown and how HE wasn't actually revealed to be nonplayable, but let's ignore all that for a second. If Ridley is indeed playable, and that is indeed his walk-idle-walk animation...

Then why is he flying that high?

Even during his idle animation and upright, Ridley is still flying very high up from the stage, as opposed to characters such as super sonic and game&watch's octopus. Some may say it's a final smash he has, but the screen isn't dim or anything. Not to mention characters like palutena or charizard don't fly in place (I'm leaving out Pit cuz you know he's sensitive about his wings).

Kind of makes you think, doesn't it?

It is quite possible that they had his model start off from one of Pyrosphere's platforms, jump into the air, and then hover into the view of the camera.

Assuming that Ridley will have some sort of flight/hover mechanic unique to him, since all of the newcomers so far have a unique mechanic for themselves.

 

[DarkFalcon]

There's something I've noticed in the direct, about Ridley. People are obviously talking about how only his shadow was shown and how HE wasn't actually revealed to be nonplayable, but let's ignore all that for a second. If Ridley is indeed playable, and that is indeed his walk-idle-walk animation...

Then why is he flying that high?

Even during his idle animation and upright, Ridley is still flying very high up from the stage, as opposed to characters such as super sonic and game&watch's octopus. Some may say it's a final smash he has, but the screen isn't dim or anything. Not to mention characters like palutena or charizard don't fly in place (I'm leaving out Pit cuz you know he's sensitive about his wings).

Kind of makes you think, doesn't it?

Pyrosphere has platforms. 4 other them. The way the camera is angled hides that. It looks like he jumped off the highest platform so we can't see him. Again..The camera is in play here. It was just a very sketchy segment.

 

[MagnesD3]

I personally believe Ridley's b up is a flight mode.

 

[Mariohuge]

Pyrosphere has platforms. 4 other them. The way the camera is angled hides that.

Those platforms don't move, though, do they?

 

[GM_3826]

Edit: Yeah, I was too late..

 

[DarkFalcon]

Those platforms don't move, though, do they?

I don't think so. It looked like he was moving in the air then it looks like he either did an attack with his tail or did a move similar to Peach's floating ability to keep him in the air longer.

 

[WayfaringElf]

Those platforms don't move, though, do they?

He started on one of the platforms, hovered like peach into the view of the camera and then JUMPED onto the other platforms.

 

[Protom]

There's something I've noticed in the direct, about Ridley. People are obviously talking about how only his shadow was shown and how HE wasn't actually revealed to be nonplayable, but let's ignore all that for a second. If Ridley is indeed playable, and that is indeed his walk-idle-walk animation...

Then why is he flying that high?

Even during his idle animation and upright, Ridley is still flying very high up from the stage, as opposed to characters such as super sonic and game&watch's octopus. Some may say it's a final smash he has, but the screen isn't dim or anything. Not to mention characters like palutena or charizard don't fly in place (I'm leaving out Pit cuz you know he's sensitive about his wings).

Kind of makes you think, doesn't it?

My Theory:
I had this idea that its one of his special moves. With it, he can grab an opponent midair, pummel, and do one of 4 throws. In the direct, he grabbed Pikachu and then hovered midair before Pikachu got out of his grasp, at which point after he used his midair jumps to land on one of the left platforms.

 

[Reila]

Ridley will be playable.

Water is wet.

 

[Mariohuge]

Even so, with all the floating/gliding, Ridley's staying up in the air for quite a while. A full 7 seconds of floating, as opposed to peach's 2.5 seconds. Even if Ridley is playable, that would be pretty broken.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

im going to gladly assume that your arguments are the ones in bold " "
his arguments are bad but theres one in particular that is just the biggest face palm.
"Shadow analyses aren't accurate. You can't successfully get the feel of something by looking at its shadow. Light source effects how a shadow looks." HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM cant get the FEEL of SOMETHING by LOOKING at its SHADOW? thats the whole POINT of the analyses. sure at first glance the shadow looks huge. but comparing it with other shadows, it isnt that big.

I replied and told him that, it's a detractor though, so he denied my statements and pointed out Mega Man's shadow wasn't accurate because lighting

Even so, with all the floating/gliding, Ridley's staying up in the air for quite a while. A full 7 seconds of floating, as opposed to peach's 2.5 seconds. Even if Ridley is playable, that would be pretty broken.

I can make peach double jump and float and keep her in the air for 4 seconds if it's from the first platform in the restroom in the boss battle mode, and Ridley would obviously jump more than twice, and the Pyrosphere platforms are higher

 

[AuraShaman]

Would Ridley be downsized or would he just be a huge character compared to everyone else?

I'd go with both.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Even so, with all the floating/gliding, Ridley's staying up in the air for quite a while. A full 7 seconds of floating, as opposed to peach's 2.5 seconds. Even if Ridley is playable, that would be pretty broken.

I counted 4 seconds with him in that weird animation floating in the air. The rest of it is him doing normal air movement.

 

[AuraShaman]

Met a detractor on Relax Alax's vid, here are his arguments against my arguments.

"Sakurai doesn't hint at bosses, he shows them."

This is an incredulous claim. So I'm sure Sakurai didn't hint at other boss appearances on various stages during the direct. I'm sure Sakurai didn'thint that Ridley would be one of the stage bosses players have to watch out for.

"Sakurai knew loads of people wanted Ridley playable."

It doesn't make a difference whether people wanted Ridley or not. I'm sure people want Waluigi or Isaac playable but they've been assist trophies. It doesn't matter if a character is highly wanted or not. It all depends on whether or not Sakurai can integrate them into the game and make them fit.

"Sakurai is listening to the western audience this time as of Little Mac"

This is a selfish claim.

"People found out that shadow isn't all too big."

Shadow analyses aren't accurate. You can't successfully get the feel of something by looking at its shadow. Light source effects how a shadow looks.

"Sakurai stated nothing about, didn't show or even mention Ridley."

Sakurai hasn't mentioned any other bosses either. We saw the Dark Emperor from Find Mii, for instance, but we don't even know what he does yet.

"It's almost been one year, and there ARE people who are still vague about Ridley."

The only thing vague is what Ridley does as a stage boss, and even then most people noticed that Ridley seems to grab Pikachu before taking off, meaning that he might swoop in to harass fighters by snatching them away or other things. Ridley's status as a boss isn't vague at all.

"It would also cause FAKE HYPE."

Sakurai isn't the one causing the fake hype. It's you people.

How about I rip this f*&%er a new one after a confirmation? And HOLY CRAP 20TH AUGUST IS ON A WEDNESDAY! For those who don't know, Nintendo Directs are usually on a Wednesday, 1 year reveal anyone?

...Am I reading it wrong, or did you drink the water?

 

[Skyblade12]

There could also be items that allow hovering.

Hee, now I want to see Ridley wearing the Pilotwings Belt, having it fit awkwardly, and him blasting all over the place. Sketch, please!

 

[Protom]

I counted 4 seconds with him in that weird animation floating in the air. The rest of it is him doing normal air movement.

Hmm. 4 seconds sounds like it could fit with my theory of the air grab special. In brawl, I remember even helpless training mode CPUs would get out of my grab after some seconds if all I did was pummel or nothing. I would imagine with an air grab move the time you can hold them would be reduced, with which 4 seconds sounds reasonable..

 

[BrigadeStuart]

I replied and told him that, it's a detractor though, so we denied my statements and pointed out Mega Man's shadow wasn't accurate because lighting

the stage itself has weird lighting issues (when they showed off the pong assist trophy and knocked DK off stage, his shadow was jagged all over the stage) and even if he dosnt agree with the megaman one, theres still other pictures of characters shadows

 

[Cutie Gwen]

...Am I reading it wrong, or did you drink the water?

My stuff is bold, his isn't it was a detractor

 

[Hidan]

I'm trying to imagine Ridley with the Dragoon item and I just think "Shouldn't Ridley be able to do that anyways?".

 

[AuraShaman]

There's something I've noticed in the direct, about Ridley. People are obviously talking about how only his shadow was shown and how HE wasn't actually revealed to be nonplayable, but let's ignore all that for a second. If Ridley is indeed playable, and that is indeed his walk-idle-walk animation...

Then why is he flying that high?

Even during his idle animation and upright, Ridley is still flying very high up from the stage, as opposed to characters such as super sonic and game&watch's octopus. Some may say it's a final smash he has, but the screen isn't dim or anything. Not to mention characters like palutena or charizard don't fly in place (I'm leaving out Pit cuz you know he's sensitive about his wings).

Kind of makes you think, doesn't it?

Alot of the newcomers have brought in revolutionary traits, such as Robin's tomes & Levin Sword, Rosalina's Luma partner, and Little Mac's K.O. meter. I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley brought in a revolutionary trait involving hovering.

 

[BrigadeStuart]

My stuff is bold, his isn't it was a detractor

i think you should put an edit just to let people know that your text is in bold. cause at the end your final sentence wasnt bold at all and i was thrown off

 

[Cutie Gwen]

the stage itself has weird lighting issues (when they showed off the pong assist trophy and knocked DK off stage, his shadow was jagged all over the stage) and even if he dosnt agree with the megaman one, theres still other pictures of characters shadows

Mega Man's shadow was at the same place that we saw the Ridley shadow, it should speak for itself that even if the lighting is off, if it is at the exact same spot that it should be noteworthy

 

[Protom]

I'm trying to imagine Ridley with the Dragoon item and I just think "Shouldn't Ridley be able to do that anyways?".

Ridley is nor character nor boss. He's an item! Collect his head wings and tail, and you become a Ridley for a few seconds!

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Alot of the newcomers have brought in revolutionary traits, such as Robin's tomes & Levin Sword, Rosalina's Luma partner, and Little Mac's K.O. meter. I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley brought in a revolutionary trait involving hovering.

What of he brought in a revolutionary trait of being big?

 

[SmilingMad]

Even so, with all the floating/gliding, Ridley's staying up in the air for quite a while. A full 7 seconds of floating, as opposed to peach's 2.5 seconds. Even if Ridley is playable, that would be pretty broken.

I wouldn't immediately go and accuse things of brokenness yet. Ridley seems fairly slow in the air. Besides, being broken didn't stop Meta Knight.

 

[Reila]

Alot of the newcomers have brought in revolutionary traits, such as Robin's tomes & Levin Sword, Rosalina's Luma partner, and Little Mac's K.O. meter. I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley brought in a revolutionary trait involving hovering.

The revolutionary trait of clipping through all platforms!

 

[A Distant Demon]

I forget was the theory that the pyrosphere shown was the final destination version so there couldn't be a stage hazard disproven?

 

[Protom]

Alot of the newcomers have brought in revolutionary traits, such as Robin's tomes & Levin Sword, Rosalina's Luma partner, and Little Mac's K.O. meter. I wouldn't be surprised if Ridley brought in a revolutionary trait involving hovering.

How about a flight meter? He would have no real recovery moves, but instead a meter that until it runs out he can jump as much as he wants. (The meter would drain about 1/4 per jump, and would only moderately refill when he is on ground or when he gets knocked out. It can't refill from holding a ledge to make it not broken)

 

[BaganSmashBros]

I'm trying to imagine Ridley with the Dragoon item and I just think "Shouldn't Ridley be able to do that anyways?".

Well, Samus can screw attack through Up B and jumping when she has a special Screw Attack item thing even though she can do that with Up B, so, it doesn't matters that much.

Even so, with all the floating/gliding, Ridley's staying up in the air for quite a while. A full 7 seconds of floating, as opposed to peach's 2.5 seconds. Even if Ridley is playable, that would be pretty broken.

He is as fast as Pikachu is in medium speed walking animation and that isn't as fast as Peach's hover. Also, he glides to the stage for at least 1 second (at least i think so because his body was...um...angled in such way it looks like he is gliding). That was cut only from Pit in case you think it is just cut. Also, he is a bigger target.

My Theory:
I had this idea that its one of his special moves. With it, he can grab an opponent midair, pummel, and do one of 4 throws. In the direct, he grabbed Pikachu and then hovered midair before Pikachu got out of his grasp, at which point after he used his midair jumps to land on one of the left platforms.

He didn't grabbed Pikachu. It was his tail spike or foot. It has been discussed already. Unless it is just your theory that he grabbed Pikachu.

 

[SmilingMad]

My Theory:
I had this idea that its one of his special moves. With it, he can grab an opponent midair, pummel, and do one of 4 throws. In the direct, he grabbed Pikachu and then hovered midair before Pikachu got out of his grasp, at which point after he used his midair jumps to land on one of the left platforms.

From what I've seen, the Pikachu-shaped blob actually consists of Ridley's feet floating closely together, with his tail hanging behind him. The tail curves in a way that makes it seem like Pikachu's.
So nah. I'm also not going to say anything about Ridley jumping, because I can't make anything out of the gigantic mess of wings.

How about a flight meter? He would have no real recovery moves, but instead a meter that until it runs out he can jump as much as he wants. (The meter would drain about 1/4 per jump, and would only moderately refill when he is on ground or when he gets knocked out. It can't refill from holding a ledge to make it not broken)

Kind of like ROB's up-B then. Yeah, sounds good.