Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Thermithral]

I have a question for you all, that maybe you can answer. In Super Smash bros. Brawl, did any franchise ever get more representation through assist trophies then playable characters? I ask because right now, there are 3 confirmed metroid assist trophies; Metroid(NOT a pet), Dark Samus and Mother Brain., but we only have 2 playable reps, that we know of. If other franchises have had this happen then I will simply ignore it, but if there thus far has been always equal representation between assist trophies and playable characters, does that mean it already confirmed one more?

 

[ZeroJinKui]

first major hint was with his shadow in the smash brothers direct a few month back

before then we only got miivers post about character size and how smash dose not stay true to size ( which I guess would hint at Ridley...)

then why did someone say that sakurai should've revealed ridley as a boss, if thats all he is, "all the way back in august"?

last i checked, august has not arrived yet... unless they were talking about a year ago.

 

[Catydoll409]

i'd rather have pizza and ice cream.

popcorn is boring.

Both of those things will also be available =p

 

[Turokman5896]

I have a question for you all, that maybe you can answer. In Super Smash bros. Brawl, did any franchise ever get more representation through assist trophies then playable characters? I ask because right now, there are 3 confirmed metroid assist trophies; Metroid(NOT a pet), Dark Samus and Mother Brain., but we only have 2 playable reps, that we know of. If other franchises have had this happen then I will simply ignore it, but if there thus far has been always equal representation between assist trophies and playable characters, does that mean it already confirmed one more?

Technically, some franchises were represented only through ATs, but other than that, I believe you are correct.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I have a question for you all, that maybe you can answer. In Super Smash bros. Brawl, did any franchise ever get more representation through assist trophies then playable characters? I ask because right now, there are 3 confirmed metroid assist trophies; Metroid(NOT a pet), Dark Samus and Mother Brain., but we only have 2 playable reps, that we know of. If other franchises have had this happen then I will simply ignore it, but if there thus far has been always equal representation between assist trophies and playable characters, does that mean it already confirmed one more?

Wario currently has two AT's, and I doubt Wario is getting a second character. In Brawl, there was only about one AT per franchise, max, except for the Mario franchise (which had about 3 I think). Some franchises were represented ONLY with AT's as well, and other franchises had no AT's (DK).

 

[CrowGoesCaw]

then why did someone say that sakurai should've revealed ridley as a boss, if thats all he is, "all the way back in august"?

last i checked, august has not arrived yet... unless they were talking about a year ago.

I beleive there was a POTD last August that hinted at Ridley.

 

[JaidynReiman]

then why did someone say that sakurai should've revealed ridley as a boss, if thats all he is, "all the way back in august"?

last i checked, august has not arrived yet... unless they were talking about a year ago.

"This is the Pyrosphere. An enemy from Samus' past may appear at any second!"

I don't remember the exact quote, but it was similar to this.

 

[Deleted member]

I have a question for you all, that maybe you can answer. In Super Smash bros. Brawl, did any franchise ever get more representation through assist trophies then playable characters? I ask because right now, there are 3 confirmed metroid assist trophies; Metroid(NOT a pet), Dark Samus and Mother Brain., but we only have 2 playable reps, that we know of. If other franchises have had this happen then I will simply ignore it, but if there thus far has been always equal representation between assist trophies and playable characters, does that mean it already confirmed one more?

Brawl had the following assist trophies:
Andross (Starfox)
Barbara the Bat (Band Brothers)
Devil (Devil World)
Dr. Wright (Sim City)
Excitebike (Excitebike)
Gray Fox (Metal Gear)
Hammer Bro (Mario Bros.)
Helirin (Kuru Kuru Kururin)
Infantry and Tanks (Advance Wars)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Jeff (Earthbound)
Jill and Drill Dozer (Drill Dozer)
Kat & Ana (Warioware)
Knuckle Joe (Kirby)
Lakitu (Mario Bros.)
Little Mac (Punch Out!)
Lyn (Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken)
Metroid (Metroid)
Nintendogs (Nintendogs)
Ray MK II (Custom Robo)
Mr. Resetti (Animal Crossing)
Saki Amamiya (Sin and Punishment)
Samurai Goroh (F-Zero)
Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic Series)
Stafy/Starfy (Stafy)
Tingle (Legend of Zelda)
Waluigi (Mario Bros.; Spin-offs)

So in response to your first question, going off this list, the answer is no.

In Brawl, no franchise that had a playable character had more assist trophies from their franchise than playable characters. Although it is seemingly something minor, it is still something to note considering that as you said, we have 3 Metroid Assist Trophies in Smash 4 with only 2 confirmed Metroid characters, which would be odd given that such a thing didn't occur in Brawl.

Worst case scenario, Sakurai decided to change his mind and provide more assist trophies than playable characters from certain franchises this time around, but who knows?

Good catch though, I certainly hadn't thought of this whole Playable/AT situation at all.

EDIT: Half-

 

[Zynux]

I return from Miiverse, with surprisingly less Ridley detractors then I would expect recently. Is this a good sign, or calm before a storm I wonder?

Calm before the storm. This is nothing but baseless speculation on my part (irrational intuition, essentially ) but I feel that the end is nigh. Either us Ridley fans will be Jumping for Joy soon, or we'll be cast in the Shadows of Despair. I'm not confident that they'll keep Ridley hidden after the 3DS release anymore; I feel that the time we'll be graced with his fate is very near.

 

[SvartWolf]

"This is the Pyrosphere. An enemy from Samus' past may appear at any second!"

I don't remember the exact quote, but it was similar to this.

plus the more exact translation from enemy of the past was something along the lines of samus trauma, so it was 100% implied Ridley withouth being mentioned...

it's just that those are some veery long seconds... is sakurai entering Valve time?

 

[NintenRob]

http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/HPp-wrUaZHOKvK_GzCJ9eDkIom6x_TEA

No. of Players : To be determined

Uh oh......

 

[BrigadeStuart]

http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/HPp-wrUaZHOKvK_GzCJ9eDkIom6x_TEA

No. of Players : To be determined

Uh oh......

they dont wanna give away any spoilers :0

 

[SvartWolf]

http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/HPp-wrUaZHOKvK_GzCJ9eDkIom6x_TEA

No. of Players : To be determined

Uh oh......

8 players battles confirmed (i have to admit that 4v4 big arenas with team spawn points could be quite interesting )

 

[RidleyDX]

http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/HPp-wrUaZHOKvK_GzCJ9eDkIom6x_TEA

No. of Players : To be determined

Uh oh......

Of course there working on 8 players, to play as Ridley you need two controllers

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Of course there working on 8 players, to play as Ridley you need two controllers

Or just one tablet controller

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/HPp-wrUaZHOKvK_GzCJ9eDkIom6x_TEA

No. of Players : To be determined

Uh oh......

It's going to be 4 players. Most likely they just haven't asked Sakurai about the player number yet, and didn't want to make assumptions.

 

[Deleted member]

It's going to be 4 players. Most likely they just haven't asked Sakurai about the player number yet, and didn't want to make assumptions.

Inb4 64 player lobbies and matches become a thing for Smash 4.

The utter chaos would be beautiful.

 

[Thermithral]

Inb4 64 player lobbies and matches become a thing for Smash 4.

The utter chaos would be beautiful.

Kirby would get the other 63 in a final smash and it would be over. :D

 

[Zynux]

http://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/HPp-wrUaZHOKvK_GzCJ9eDkIom6x_TEA

No. of Players : To be determined

Uh oh......

Funny, since the 3DS page confirms that it's up to 4 players. Even stranger that it seems to me that the Wii U version of Smash is the only game that seems to have an undetermined amount (from the various games I checked, anyway).

results: It is inevitable! Gamepad functionalities eminent! Playable Bosses confirmed!

Pack it up, ladies and gentleman! It's time to go home. We're done here. Abandon Pirate Ship!

Spoiler

...While this is interesting trivia, I don't think it means anything...yet. Though to be fair, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they tried to sell us a dumb gamepad gimmick somehow. Nintendo's goal is to make the Gamepad more viable in their releases, after all.

 

[Pacack]

Mario! Link! Samus! Pikachu! All of your favorite Nintendo characters are back, along with plenty of new faces, in Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, the next entry in the beloved Super Smash Bros. series. Up to four players can battle each other locally or online across beautifully designed stages inspired by classic Nintendo home console games. With a variety of control options and amiibo compatibility, the timeless Super Smash Bros. battles come alive.

They don't specify in the game's information, but they do in the text.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Funny, since the 3DS page confirms that it's up to 4 players. Even stranger that it seems to me that the Wii U version of Smash is the only game that seems to have an undetermined amount (from the various games I checked, anyway).

results: It is inevitable! Gamepad functionalities eminent! Playable Bosses confirmed!

Pack it up, ladies and gentleman! It's time to go home. We're done here. Abandon Pirate Ship!

Spoiler

...While this is interesting trivia, I don't think it means anything...yet. Though to be fair, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they tried to sell us a dumb gamepad gimmick somehow. Nintendo's goal is to make the Gamepad more viable in their releases, after all.

Well, as far as we know, the 3DS can only support up to 4 players, yet the Wii U can do 5. So while it IS most likely 4 players, the guys behind the blurb likely wanted to be safe than sorry in case there was a fifth player.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I really, really, reallllllllllly don't want a playable boss mode in the game. Sure it could be well implemented and I understand that they're trying to make selling points for the Wii U gamepad, but to a lot of us I think it would feel like such a slap in the face when we wanted several characters on the roster like Ridley and King K. Rool (Assuming they would be in the mode). Sure I'd play the hell out of it because playable Ridley in boss only mode is still a playable Ridley, but I wouldn't be happy about it exactly. I have my doubts about a mode like that having the right vibe, sure it would be a fun distraction, but it's something I don't think would be extremely popular.

 

[Catydoll409]

I really, really, reallllllllllly don't want a playable boss mode in the game. Sure it could be well implemented and I understand that they're trying to make selling points for the Wii U gamepad, but to a lot of us I think it would feel like such a slap in the face when we wanted several characters on the roster like Ridley and King K. Rool (Assuming they would be in the mode). Sure I'd play the hell out of it because playable Ridley in boss only mode is still a playable Ridley, but I wouldn't be happy about it exactly. I have my doubts about a mode like that having the right vibe, sure it would be a fun distraction, but it's something I don't think would be extremely popular.

I think that's how most people who wanted those characters in would feel. And that's how I would feel about it, after a while.

It sounds interesting enough, but it basically just begs the question of 'Why not just have them be playable?'

 

[Turokman5896]

Plot twist: amiibos count as a player and you can have more than four with them in.

 

[Kay kay]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/755/570/c27.png

I just don't like they idea of bosses being playable characters.

And he is really big. Yes I know, "they can change his size", but honestly seeing Ridley deducted would look funny.

 

[SchAlternate]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/755/570/c27.png

I just don't like they idea of bosses being playable characters.

And he is really big. Yes I know, "they can change his size", but honestly seeing Ridley deducted would look funny.

 

[Kay kay]

yeah -_- ok then

 

[AustarusIV]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/755/570/c27.png

I just don't like they idea of bosses being playable characters.

And he is really big. Yes I know, "they can change his size", but honestly seeing Ridley deducted would look funny.

You were saying?

 

[Turokman5896]

yeah -_- ok then

Those images were fine. They looked the same but smaller... In don't even see how that is not in favor of Ridley...

 

[Hexaped]

Hello everyone. @ AustarusIV That is not a satisfying size for Ridley, either. Perhaps five Samus heads taller, and I see a fitting Ridley!
But here is something else! We can make a community moveset for Ridley. Each post should be a different move. I hope some posters try.
side tilt= Ridley strongly smacks forward with their hand

 

[SchAlternate]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/755/570/c27.png

I just don't like they idea of bosses being playable characters.

And he is really big. Yes I know, "they can change his size", but honestly seeing Ridley deducted would look funny.

How about this size, then? Ignore the fact that SM Ridley's head is disproportionately huge (bigger than his torso!), and boom. Perfect Ridley. No resizing ever needed.

 

[Turokman5896]

D-tilt: Ridley extends his tail low to the ground, then flicks it up, knocking opponents into the air.

 

[Hexaped]

Yay! Thank you so much, @ Turokman5896 . And that would be a particularly fun down tilt! Come on, everyone! What will the next move be?!

 

[Zynux]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/755/570/c27.png

Yes, Zero Mission, Fusion, and Elevator-fight Metroid Prime 3 Ridley would probably not be feasible, however it conveniently ignores his much smaller size in SM, Prime, Prime 3 Omega Ridley, and Other M. Resizing Ridley isn't farfetched because it happens in every canonical Metroid game.

Also, @ SchAlternate posted how Other M Ridley would be if he was the size (roughly) of Super Metroid Ridley (the most popular and iconic Ridley, might I add).

I just don't like they idea of bosses being playable characters.

So you don't like the idea of Bowser, Wario, King Dedede, Ganondorf, Metaknight and Mewtwo (characters that debuted as boss battles), and other characters you usually fight against (like Wolf, for example) as playable characters? I agree, they would be really detrimental to the roster

Unless you were referring to Smash Boss battles, and if so then...why? Seems a bit silly that a character portrayed in one role can't graduate to another. It's the equivalent to saying "I don't like trophies being playable characters", which would have axed Wario, Metaknight, Dedede and others. Or if previous Final Smashes couldn't be playable, which would axe Palutena.

And he is really big. Yes I know, "they can change his size", but honestly seeing Ridley deducted would look funny.

To each their own, but I find Bowser silly looking in some Mario games as well (his size in Mario Golf World Tour is pretty funny), yet that doesn't stop him from making appearances as being playable.

 

[RidleyDX]

Yay! Thank you so much, @ Turokman5896 . And that would be a particularly fun down tilt! Come on, everyone! What will the next move be?!

okay I guess before I go to bed

Down B: screams and hardens his skin giving him a black color that acts like a reflector, the scream has a small hitbox radius around his body doing some damage. This was in Other M.

 

[Wiinner159]

Well, todays screenshot as usual gives us no hints towards anything character wise, just a picture of the 3DS's menu screen

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Side B: Raises his hand, then moves forward and if fails to catch someone, swings his arm in front of him. Either grabs opponent and scrapes/drags along the floor, turning around when he reaches the ledge, or slashes him/her if fails to catch something before moving forward/flying/running animation ends. Kinda like that attack from Other M, but a little bit faster, doesn`t requires a wall and he just slams opponent into floor after finishing it.
I guess this is kinda obvious. It can work as Forward Throw too, but i think it would work better as an special.

 

[Hexaped]

I want to create more moves, but I know I should try to maximize the number of posters involved. Grr!

 

[Captain Soviet]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/755/570/c27.png

I just don't like they idea of bosses being playable characters.

And he is really big. Yes I know, "they can change his size", but honestly seeing Ridley deducted would look funny.

Well, that's fair enough. Your opinion's your opin-

*sees the picture in the link*

Oh, never mind. Just another "your ideas and tastes make NO SENSE" post.

Move ideas? Hmm...

Down Smash-Ridley spins in circle rapidly, his tail dragging/digging into the ground, causing damage. This could work kind of like Marth's tipping mechanic, since the tail is damaging focus, the closer your enemies are to the tip, the more damage it does. Charged smashes do more damage and more spins for longer attack.

 

[AustarusIV]

Ridley-X shouldn't even be used as an argument against his inclusion, because that was only an improved version of him created by the X-Parasites. This is what Ridley actually looks like in Metroid Fusion, and as you can see, he's a lot smaller than what the X-Parasites would make later on. He's actually more comparable to the Super Metroid incarnation.