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Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

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As someone who's seen birds fly into windows multiple times, even at one point had one die in his hands after a collision, I don't find such a fact funny whatsoever.
I've had one wake me up from sleep when that happened, I think it lived though.

But back to to the topic, @Xhampi :
Birds don't intentionally fly into windows, they simply don't notice the glass pane due to their eyes being in a location on their heads such that their depth perception isn't that great.

Toobigots on the other hand provoke us intentionally. :ohwell:
 
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*checks back in*....I didn't realize Ridley related so closely to birds flying into glass

...Then again, that Dynablade screen charge
 

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BIG NEWS FOR RIDLEY FANS!!

"In his semi-weekly column in Weekly Famitsu, series creator Masahiro Sakurai revealed that, much like the player-created Mii Warrior, Pac-Man was almost a guest character in the Wii game, Super Smash Bros. Brawl. "During development of Smash Bros. Brawl, Mr. Shigeru Miyamoto of Nintendo approached me and asked, 'Can't we have Pac-Man as a guest character?'" Sakurai recalled. "At the time, imagining the image of Pac-Man and his incomplete pizza shape, I thought to myself, 'Hmmm... That's a little too farfetched.'"

Sakurai previously thought Pac-man was farfetched, just like Villager being too peaceful, and Little Mac being an assist trophy. I think this bodes will for Ridley regarding Sakurai's previous remarks.
The evidence supporting Ridley being playable just stacks up even higher
 

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Perhaps the more operative phrase would have been, "funnier than a miscarriage." I doubt you have ever held a miscarriage, so it is much more funny that way!
No, but my sister did, so that's even more unfunny.

But enough of my downer pseudo political correctness (or whatever you want to call it).


Unfunny cycle...
 

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The evidence supporting Ridley being playable just stacks up even higher
That is not necessarily evidence in his favor though, it is not even relevant.

No, but my sister did, so that's even more unfunny.

But enough of my downer pseudo political correctness (or whatever you want to call it).


Unfunny cycle...
I apologize, but I still believe that it is humorous! :c
 

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BIG NEWS FOR RIDLEY FANS!!

"In his semi-weekly column in Weekly Famitsu, series creator Masahiro Sakurai revealed that, much like the player-created Mii Warrior, Pac-Man was almost a guest character in the Wii game, Super Smash Bros. Brawl. "During development of Smash Bros. Brawl, Mr. Shigeru Miyamoto of Nintendo approached me and asked, 'Can't we have Pac-Man as a guest character?'" Sakurai recalled. "At the time, imagining the image of Pac-Man and his incomplete pizza shape, I thought to myself, 'Hmmm... That's a little too farfetched.'"

Sakurai previously thought Pac-man was farfetched, just like Villager being too peaceful, and Little Mac being an assist trophy. I think this bodes will for Ridley regarding Sakurai's previous remarks.
We'll see, this doesn't necessarily co-relate to Ridley. We already knew he has done some rethinking on previously declined characters like Villager, Little Mac and Miis, so this isn't really something new. Regardless, it's only good that he has most likely given Ridley another look, but his fate isn't destined to follow the others', I wouldn't be surprised if another character like Sukapon has been declined once again, Ridley could just as easily follow that route. Either way, it's not really big news.
 

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I had to read through 4 pages before I could get back and reply to this.

I'm well aware of that. We've long-since reviewed the footage, GIF's, and everything, and have determined that "Pikachu" disappears a second later. The problem is its not Pikachu, it was determined in this thread that it was just Ridley's leg behind his tail. Ridley's hand doesn't even get near the part of the shadow that is supposed to be Pikachu.
 

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I had to read through 4 pages before I could get back and reply to this.

I'm well aware of that. We've long-since reviewed the footage, GIF's, and everything, and have determined that "Pikachu" disappears a second later. The problem is its not Pikachu, it was determined in this thread that it was just Ridley's leg behind his tail. Ridley's hand doesn't even get near the part of the shadow that is supposed to be Pikachu.
Yep, all we know Ridley does is fly to near the middle of the stage, stop, fly further towards the end of the stage, and finally leap upwards. All of these things could be done by both a boss and a character with a Peach-like flying move, so we can't really determine anything from his actions. The only suspicious part, outside of only showing his shadow of course, is his stiff limbs when he stops, his idle flying animation was likely not finished when they grabbed the footage, which again isn't anything that could be exclusive to either role, and we don't know when the footage was from (some of the Direct footage was from before Lucario and Diddy even had their renders.)
 
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The issue is he moves left and then does what seems to be more of an abrupt hop toward the right in midair after moving to the left. The main issue is the only bosses we have seen that need to change heights only did so to rocket off screen and to slam back down OR charge across the stage. To change elevations so... non-drastically makes it seem like, were he a boss, he is only changing elevation to make up for his size?

But that brings up the main question here, which is why make a boss this size on such a massive stage if they are not even going to move quickly or aggressively to compensate?
 

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The issue is he moves left and then does what seems to be more of an abrupt hop toward the right in midair after moving to the left. The main issue is the only bosses we have seen that need to change heights only did so to rocket off screen and to slam back down OR charge across the stage. To change elevations so... non-drastically makes it seem like, were he a boss, he is only changing elevation to make up for his size?

But that brings up the main question here, which is why make a boss this size on such a massive stage if they are not even going to move quickly or aggressively to compensate?
Ridley konfirmed. Er, I mean, confirmed. :p
 

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The issue is he moves left and then does what seems to be more of an abrupt hop toward the right in midair after moving to the left. The main issue is the only bosses we have seen that need to change heights only did so to rocket off screen and to slam back down OR charge across the stage. To change elevations so... non-drastically makes it seem like, were he a boss, he is only changing elevation to make up for his size?

But that brings up the main question here, which is why make a boss this size on such a massive stage if they are not even going to move quickly or aggressively to compensate?
Where was the gif of that jump posted anyway? I really want to see it.
 

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The issue is he moves left and then does what seems to be more of an abrupt hop toward the right in midair after moving to the left. The main issue is the only bosses we have seen that need to change heights only did so to rocket off screen and to slam back down OR charge across the stage. To change elevations so... non-drastically makes it seem like, were he a boss, he is only changing elevation to make up for his size?

But that brings up the main question here, which is why make a boss this size on such a massive stage if they are not even going to move quickly or aggressively to compensate?
Adding to that, it would also mean that, if those platforms don't move, the Ridley boss fight would be the only one on a stage with platforms.

Other stages either don't have any, or have them removed for boss fights *cough* Yellow Devil *cough*.

Kinda seems odd (and inconsistent) that Ridley's fight would be the only one with platforms wouldn't you say?
 

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Adding to that, it would also mean that, if those platforms don't move, the Ridley boss fight would be the only one on a stage with platforms.

Other stages either don't have any, or have them removed for boss fights *cough* Yellow Devil *cough*.

Kinda seems odd (and inconsistent) that Ridley's fight would be the only one with platforms wouldn't you say?
The only platforms we saw move were non-static platforms on Wily's Castle. We don't really have any reason to think Pyrosphere's static platforms would move.
 

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The only platforms we saw move were non-static platforms on Wily's Castle. We don't really have any reason to think Pyrosphere's static platforms would move.
Though, weren't there bits on the bottom side of the platforms that resemble little jets?
 

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We've barely seen any footage on the Pyropshere because Sakurai clearly doesn't want to show off too much of the stage. The Ridley tease is likely precisely why. He doesn't want us to know what happens on the stage so he can keep us guessing.
 

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Though, weren't there bits on the bottom side of the platforms that resemble little jets?
It's impossible to say if they do anything at all when we have only seen one unchanging platform layout on the stage. It's possible that they could just be aesthetic.

EDIT: Ninja'd. But seriously. Wily's castle only removes the wild moving platforms. Find Mii doesn't seem to change at all and ONLY has Dark Emperor running around from what we know. Pyrosphere through all we have seen has only ever had one unchanging platform layout and no indication that the platforms move or are not static.
 
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It's impossible to say if they do anything at all when we have only seen one unchanging platform layout on the stage. It's possible that they could just be aesthetic.

EDIT: Ninja'd. But seriously. Wily's castle only removes the wild moving platforms. Find Mii doesn't seem to change at all and ONLY has Dark Emperor running around from what we know. Pyrosphere through all we have seen has only ever had one unchanging platform layout and no indication that the platforms move or are not static.
Its pretty interesting that one of the first stages we ever heard about is the one we know the least about. Some people like to speculate its just unfinished but if so then why show it off so early....Its maddening.
 

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Its pretty interesting that one of the first stages we ever heard about is the one we know the least about. Some people like to speculate its just unfinished but if so then why show it off so early....Its maddening.
They showed off extremely early and also showed it a *LOT*. The earlier they showed it though, the less likely I feel it is for it to just be 'incomplete'. The stage would have to have required eight months, PLUS however much work it took to get the stage to the point it was at in August at the very least to complete. And I am pretty sure that a single stage's programming time can accurately be described as "eight months minimum".
 

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Its pretty interesting that one of the first stages we ever heard about is the one we know the least about. Some people like to speculate its just unfinished but if so then why show it off so early....Its maddening.
Unless of course, we already know all there is to know about the stage, which I think is what most of us are hoping for.
 

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Unless of course, we already know all there is to know about the stage, which I think is what most of us are hoping for.
Though that doesn't explain the tubes. Unlike the jets, the tubes stick out pretty hard and definitely are not on the DoA or original version of the platform.
 

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Unless of course, we already know all there is to know about the stage, which I think is what most of us are hoping for.
I think it has a stage hazard of some sort (probably lava, given the lack of the lava flow in the FD version), he probably just doesn't want us to know what that stage hazard is.
 

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I think it has a stage hazard of some sort (probably lava, given the lack of the lava flow in the FD version), he probably just doesn't want us to know what that stage hazard is.
The FD version does apparently have a lava flow in one screenshot. However that doesn't really confirm or deconfirm anything from being involved in the stage hazard. It's just that now we have a little less to be sure of in the form of alternatives.
 

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Though that doesn't explain the tubes. Unlike the jets, the tubes stick out pretty hard and definitely are not on the DoA or original version of the platform.
Well, I wasn't saying there wasn't anything, just that it's possible. As strange as it would be, it's entirely possible that those things at the bottom are just kind sitting there because they feel like it.
 

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The space pirates should set traps with that logic. Make an obvious morph ball tunnel and have it drop into a room full of lava with no exit.
And so Samus falls for it, hide it behind something. I know! How about a power up? This dumb useless Varia suit upgrade thing would work. Samus will roll into the item, go into the tube, and fall in the lava! Foolproof.
 

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Even then some random debris/explosion/weakness in said barricade would make it conveniently destroyable by Morph Ball bombs.

They're also the only known method of getting Meta Ridley's jaws unstuck in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.
 

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YOU STOLE MY AVATAR! WAAAAH!

...Anyway, why every Space Pirate building and ship has at least 1 tunnel big enough for morphball? Or some kind of upgrade (optional or not)? It is pointless to keep them. Especially Energy Tanks. Who put them there? I know that game developers put them, but why space pirates would do that?
...yeah, its hard to answer. By the way, is Meta Ridley`s model from SSBB same as Prime`s? With few differences like smaller wings and a chin spike of course.
 
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Its possible the Dark Emperor is just a stage hazard like Twinrova so nothing would have to change.

Something I would like to point out is that similar to how the platforms rise in the Yellow Devil stage, the platforms also rise when the Wii Fit Silhouette appears.

So if that turns out to be a boss, then we have reason to believe all stages with bosses will remove the platforms. Hmmm.
 
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