DarthEnderX
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Seriously, **** every greedy Pokemon fan that voted to eat up 3 character slots with another Trainer.
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You want a big roster, you gotta deal with the fact that that means a large roster of characters you dislike.Seriously, **** every greedy Pokemon fan that voted to eat up 3 character slots with another Trainer.
Literally was thinking of you when I read that result lolSeriously, **** every greedy Pokemon fan that voted to eat up 3 character slots with another Trainer.
you could actually leave pages blankThe category based system is making subconscious bias to vote for someone in each and every category. Someone would not necessarily vote for any Metroid or Animal Crossing character at all if not being given a category for them on an entire page. Characters who are far and away the leader of their categories, like raven beak, tom nook, and Krystal, benefit the most from this.
The one that I feel was snubbed a lot was Kamek for being in the extremely competitive Mario category instead of the ridiculously lenient and uncompetitive Yoshi category, where he would easily make top 5 and would top Poochy who is only getting votes for being in this category.
You want objective proof of the bias? 127 votes for polar bear and 96 for Professor Hector from Gyromite. Nearly a quarter of the voters voted for polar bear and 18% voted for Hector. These are as absurdly no name obscure characters as you can get. Polar bear outperforms many viable candidates who have actual popularity.
I understand that, and it has been discussed. The poll has its limitations, but I really wanted to find out who some of the most popular candidates within their own franchises were. Sure a Yoshi character isn't a very popular choice, the results prove that. But now, we can see that among the Yoshi characters, Poochy is the number one choice. So I still think this is valuable information.The category based system is making subconscious bias to vote for someone in each and every category. Someone would not necessarily vote for any Metroid or Animal Crossing character at all if not being given a category for them on an entire page. Characters who are far and away the leader of their categories, like raven beak, tom nook, and Krystal, benefit the most from this.
The one that I feel was snubbed a lot was Kamek for being in the extremely competitive Mario category instead of the ridiculously lenient and uncompetitive Yoshi category, where he would easily make top 5 and would top Poochy who is only getting votes for being in this category.
You want objective proof of the bias? 127 votes for polar bear and 96 for Professor Hector from Gyromite. Nearly a quarter of the voters voted for polar bear and 18% voted for Hector. These are as absurdly no name obscure characters as you can get. Polar bear outperforms many viable candidates who have actual popularity.
I know, I did leave pages blank and plenty of others did also, given polar bear has 75% of people skip his page.you could actually leave pages blank
Obviously this might have some interesting results for the Xenoblade section, but I do wonder if there is any characters from other franchises that will get a notable boost from this. A lot of Xenoblade fans are also general Nintendo fans, but I would not be shocked if other RPG characters get a notable boost as well.The Xenoblade Chronicles subreddit has agreed to host my poll.
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Here comes the Xeno sweep!
So far they seem to be big fans of Astral Chain and Golden Sun.Obviously this might have some interesting results for the Xenoblade section, but I do wonder if there is any characters from other franchises that will get a notable boost from this. Obviously a lot of Xenoblade fans are also general Nintendo fans, but I would not be shocked if other RPG characters get a notable boost as well.
That sounds about right, though I do wonder about the Pokemon results. I don't image the top spot is going to change, but the lower placings are probably in a constant flux.So far they seem to be big fans of Astral Chain and Golden Sun.
And Pokemon.
I feel like if the number of votes was limited then people would have to really think about what characters they want to cash in their votes for, but regardless I don't think the way the poll is currently is necessarily worse. It provides a good boost to characters that wouldn't have otherwise made it and serves as a more general indicator of what characters people would find cool.Of course, everyone had unlimited votes, so a lot of characters probably benefitted from people going "Sure, why not," or "Not my absolute favorite but I'd be down."
Yeah, the poll isn't a straight "absolute most popular first choice," but it's still a pretty good metric for how well a character might be recieved. Evidently, enough people are at least chill with Bandana Dee and would be content with him joining the fight. I think that's still pretty interesting, because in some places I've seen people suggest Bandana Dee is too contentious a character to add because of his simplicity and being a Waddle Dee with a Bandana would make him too "boring" to most people. Evidently, it doesn't bother that many people overallI feel like if the number of votes was limited then people would have to really think about what characters they want to cash in their votes for, but regardless I don't think the way the poll is currently is necessarily worse. It provides a good boost to characters that wouldn't have otherwise made it and serves as a more general indicator of what characters people would find cool.
That being said, I love how Oatchi and Louie are the top picks for Pikmin and Bulborb managed to wiggle his way into the top 5. Glad to hear Moss surpassed the boring Pikmin 3 captains, too. She deserves it.
Will never understand how this argument didn't die out the moment a literal Piranha Plant joined the roster.in some places I've seen people suggest Bandana Dee is too contentious a character to add because of his simplicity and being a Waddle Dee with a Bandana would make him too "boring" to most people.
I feel like if the number of votes was limited then people would have to really think about what characters they want to cash in their votes for, but regardless I don't think the way the poll is currently is necessarily worse. It provides a good boost to characters that wouldn't have otherwise made it and serves as a more general indicator of what characters people would find cool.
I think this also has a lot to do with why Funky could be as high as he is. It's not that he's secretly the Smash community's #3 most wanted, he's just someone a lot of people would be fine with.Yeah, the poll isn't a straight "absolute most popular first choice," but it's still a pretty good metric for how well a character might be recieved. Evidently, enough people are at least chill with Bandana Dee and would be content with him joining the fight. I think that's still pretty interesting, because in some places I've seen people suggest Bandana Dee is too contentious a character to add because of his simplicity and being a Waddle Dee with a Bandana would make him too "boring" to most people. Evidently, it doesn't bother that many people overall
I blame the lack of enemies in the two Fighters' Passes. Dragon Quest was pretty much their only real chance of having one, and Slime was just Sakurai's backup choice.Will never understand how this argument didn't die out the moment a literal Piranha Plant joined the roster.
It's getting some votes, but Zelda is getting a lot of boosts honestly.Surprised Fire Emblem isnt on that list boosted by Xenoblade subreddit, although maybe that has something to do with its rep situation in Smash
I'll post what I wrote before.It provides a good boost to characters that wouldn't have otherwise made it and serves as a more general indicator of what characters people would find cool.
Honestly, Gengar has already taken fourth again, while A Human Character from Pokemon got bumped down to sixth.That sounds about right, though I do wonder about the Pokemon results. I don't image the top spot is going to change, but the lower placings are probably in a constant flux.
This might also add to FE not having anyone rank super highly overall. The presumed frontrunner is always "newest FE game," which would either be Alear (Who is already assumed to be somewhat derivative as a one-handed swordfighter who summons other FE characters, on top of Engage not being as relevant by the time Smash 6 releases), or someone from the inevitable next game, who we don't know anything about. Lyn's still pretty popular, but I don't think support has coalesced into making her a frontrunner yetI wonder how much of this poll speaks to people's tendencies to see characters as the next natural selection for their respective franchises. While they're obviously all popular (heck I'll champion the inclusion of all three) I think that might explain why BWD, Dixie, & (to a lesser degree) Impa got so high. All of them have a "fourth rep of the series" energy to them in speculation circles and within the context of an IP by IP vote could imagine an unspoken sentiment of "Yeah that makes sense" when they're seen in a poll.
Would this not be another form of popularity?I wonder how much of this poll speaks to people's tendencies to see characters as the next natural selection for their respective franchises. While they're obviously all popular (heck I'll champion the inclusion of all three) I think that might explain why BWD, Dixie, & (to a lesser degree) Impa got so high. All of them have a "fourth rep of the series" energy to them in speculation circles and within the context of an IP by IP vote could imagine an unspoken sentiment of "Yeah that makes sense" when they're seen in a poll.
It definitely is, and I don't think it invalidates the votes for any of them. It's just an interesting psychological angle to wonder how much is driven by a distinct desire for that character in particular versus that a desire for more reps from franchises and simply consider either such characters as most likely and/or most deserving (however that can be defined).Would this not be another form of popularity?
Sorry Dee, but we're now in the Planet of the Apes.![]()
The DK subreddit has also agree to my poll.
As if the Funky Sweep wasn't already beginning.![]()
The DK subreddit has also agree to my poll.
hot dogIt's getting some votes, but Zelda is getting a lot of boosts honestly.
Who doesn’t want to play as Tom Nook and drop a couch on someone.One takeaway from this that is fairly validating is that people do want Tom Nook. Much of the community seems to be torn on more Animal Crossing but even KK Slider comes close to hitting the Top 30 - and I’m going to assume not everyone who voted for one voted for the other either.
Anyway, it’s very nice to see. Just good concrete evidence that the sentiment that more Animal Crossing representation is unpopular or unwarranted is false, IMO one of the most egregious misconceptions in speculation right now. Although perhaps we’re all set once we add those two… and then Resetti is his own can of worms.
Got some even better advice.Seriously, do NOT go to Twitterto engage in Smash speculation or discussion, unless you're conducting a poll.Worst mistake of my life.
I'm curious, who would you have picked for an F-Zero character?Black Shadow being the top F-Zero pick is proof that this fanbase is lost and when the day of reckoning comes you shall all suffer the wrath of God
I'm sorry, but PMEX Remix has shown me the light. Or should that be the darkness? Either way...it's forced to make Black Shadow be something other than Falcondorf Dumping Ground because Ganondorf's moveset in PM is still mostly based on Falcon's.Black Shadow being the top F-Zero pick is proof that this fanbase is lost and when the day of reckoning comes you shall all suffer the wrath of God