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Well you need to pick stages according to MU if its a tourney set. Theyre both good for TL but one could be better/worse depending on the context.So not counting match-ups, they're about the same?
Was being sarcastic about him being the best obviously. But he's good I'll admit. However. because of him being like the offensive toon link he sucked at a lot of MU's where you had to camp. Very good offensive Toon Link though I've always appreciated how well he can use him without projectile game. He opened my eyes up in many ways.
Two things I've noticed on the 3DS version.Does anyone have any tips for using the tether recovery? Almost every time I've tried using it TL either ended up air dodging, doing a normal zair that wouldn't latch on to the ledge even when the zair ended up being very close to it, or his zair ended up doing some insane stretching thing (kind of like zairing at the stage from the platforms on Jungle Japes on the 3DS, and the right platform on Junglr Hijinx on the Wii U) where he gets completely stuck and falls to his death. This happens whether I'm slightly above the ledge, right next to it, or slightly below it, though I've had more luck with actually latching on when slightly below it (and "luck" with latching on when I'm trying to zair an opponent while I'm on-stage and facing away from the ledge, if that counts as lucky). But yeah, anyone have any idea what I could be doing wrong?
I've heard that the ending lag of a whiffed(missed) grab is actually shorter in the Wii U version.
I've tested the 3DS version and Wii U version side-by-side, his Wii U grab is actually significantly faster. I also find myself getting punished for missed grabs a lot less in the Wii U version, while in the 3DS version TL just sits there for like an hour and I end up getting punished for it.
Oh right, I completely forgot about the issue with using zair after using an aerial. I need to remember to be careful of that. Thanks! As for #2, I've mainly gotten this issue when playing with other people and trying to use the tether recovery after getting knocked off-stage. But yeah, that's good to know about zair not working immediately after jumping off-stage, though
The only characters I can think of with uairs that can beat TL's dair are Greninja, Rosalina, TL, and I think Link as well but I'm not 100% sure about him. It would be odd if TL's uair could beat his dair but not Link's.
Generally there is two way to perform tether recovery,Does anyone have any tips for using the tether recovery? Almost every time I've tried using it TL either ended up air dodging, doing a normal zair that wouldn't latch on to the ledge even when the zair ended up being very close to it, or his zair ended up doing some insane stretching thing (kind of like zairing at the stage from the platforms on Jungle Japes on the 3DS, and the right platform on Junglr Hijinx on the Wii U) where he gets completely stuck and falls to his death. This happens whether I'm slightly above the ledge, right next to it, or slightly below it, though I've had more luck with actually latching on when slightly below it (and "luck" with latching on when I'm trying to zair an opponent while I'm on-stage and facing away from the ledge, if that counts as lucky). But yeah, anyone have any idea what I could be doing wrong?
Is that why I usually see TLs in this game air dodge before using the tether? I was wondering why they did that, and had completely forgotten about shield button + A to tether. But yeah, that's good to know and I'll have to give that a try. Thanks!
Again, wrong thread. If you want to talk about the best TL, take it here. As the title of this thread says, this is a thread for asking and answering questions, not for talking about who the best TL is.
Sorry, I was simply replying to a comment I knew the answer to, didn't mean to post out of context or anything.Again, wrong thread. If you want to talk about the best TL, take it here. As the title of this thread says, this is a thread for asking and answering questions, not for talking about who the best TL is.
I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you mean jump canceled bomb throw? Maybe I just don't understand because TL was only my secondary in Brawl, though.
I've found it to work as a mix-up. Besides that, I haven't found them very useful unless I'm using the fire arrows.
It's insanely difficult to pull off, but yes.
He has a better running speed. Besides customs, that's it. His aerials even tend to have twice as much landing lag as Link's, and TL now has the worse recovery since he can't move horizontally from his spin attack as well as Link can.
In my experience that usually is an issue of being too predictable with your projectiles. Using bombs more over other projectiles should help, too. Unfortunately, the opponent having a reflector is still going to mean you'll have to fight up-close a lot more often, and is probably where you should be most of the time.
I figured as much, its almost a reversal of the tl, olimar MU in brawl, sealing off most of tls ability to camp and zone with the arrow and boomerang.In my experience that usually is of being too predictable with your projectiles. Using bombs more over other projectiles should help, too. Unfortunately, the opponent having a reflector is still going to mean you'll have to fight up-close a lot more often, and is probably where you should be most of the time.
A lot of Link's sword attacks have more KB and kill earlier, and he is generally heavier and slower than TL. Toon Link is a floaty character while Link is not.
I always have trouble with Falco too, his reflector has huge range and will reflect any projectiles from the start of the animation to the end. Keep in mind w/ all of the reflectors you projectiles will keep the same angle as they return. As long as Falco's not too close you can do a SH angled boomerang or Bomb throw and you wont have to worry about getting counter hit. If he's reflecting your projectiles 100% of the time you were probably being way to predictable, Falco especially is not someone you should spam head on. Try baiting out his Dspecial enough so that he doesn't feel safe using it. It has high ending lag so if you shield it you should be able to punish it every time. I try approach w/ projectiles even if he'll reflect them becuase Zair is beet out by a well timed Dspecial.
Dsmash is good by the edge, supposedly JCBT (escpecially slingshot JCBT) > fsmash is really good, and usmash is just amazing in general.
Honestly, yeah, Link is better than TL in pretty much every way. More range, faster moves/less lag on his moves (except his smashes; also, TL has twice as much landing lag on his aerials), is stronger and can actually kill, both his spin attack and tether give better recovery, and I could go on. The difference in running speed doesn't really matter since Link's range more than makes up for it, so that's hardly an advantage.
In case anyone is wondering, ScotteyF1's post here was originally in response to Keytrun's thread which got moved here.
On smaller characters, make sure you input the zair after the peak of your jump, otherwise you're going to miss a lot.
Yep. Though, on larger characters like Rosalina you can input the zair immediately after your short hop, which is probably better to do or you could get hit before you get the chance to zair the opponent.
Well, I almost always land-cancel my zairs because it cancels REALLY fast, assuming that you didn't airdodge before the input. Rising zairs are only good on reaction-- so this works in very rare situations, since most of the time, you're using projectiles to zone your opponent out anyway. In Brawl, I've seen people stop phantasms/illusions with zairs.Yep. Though, on larger characters like Rosalina you can input the zair immediately after your short hop, which is probably better to do or you could get hit before you get the chance to zair the opponent.
We all love you, Yacka. <3You're remembering a lot of stuff I said guys huh?
Zair's laglessness is amazing, I think nair's lag is a bit exaggerated though. Buffering movement out of it makes you somewhat acceptably fast. Check out the videos section and the tourney I recently played in and you'll get an idea of some of the stuff Toon Link can do.
No.
It in fact, extends the window of time in which you can get that airdodge landing lag to the whole duration of zair itself.
