The Original Midna for Brawl thread. (Debate the Wolf here!)

[vesperview]

Well Zant made her an imp for a reason. Perhaps he turned her into that so he could restrain her full potential. If you never got the hint in the game she is a proficient magic user.

Imp form could be nimble, quick, and technical, True could be slow, elegant, and powerful.

She'd be like the exact opposite as Zelda, starts the battle with a fast character and transform into a slower one. She'd play like Zelda's opposite.

Either way, coming up with a move set for her true form won't cause their heads to explode. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Another question to rebut your comment on move sets not being feasible for her.

What about Sheik? Did we ever see Sheik throw needles, use a chain, or an exploding teleport?

So you basically want them to pull a moveset out of their *** for true form, while Imp form has all the right moves? FAIL! True Form has NO moves, Imp form does and as I said, end of discussion.

 

[Zevox]

What about Sheik? Did we ever see Sheik throw needles, use a chain, or an exploding teleport?

The teleport we saw quite often, actually. It was how she vanished after every meeting with Link. Melee just added the smoke.

Zevox

 

[Darky Dee]

So you basically want them to pull a moveset out of their *** for true form, while Imp form has all the right moves? FAIL! True Form has NO moves, Imp form does and as I said, end of discussion.

LOL, k.

You're being irrational about the situation and putting words in my mouth. I never stated that Imp form had the wrong moves, and you didn't answer my question about Sheik's move set, so yeah. Awesome to end the conversation to your vague conclusion, isn't it?

True, Zevox, but she used a Deku seed instead of just vanishing in smoke. She vanished in a flash, but I can still see your point. As for the rest of her moves, we never did see her use a chain or needles.

 

[vesperview]

LOL, k.

You're being irrational about the situation and putting words in my mouth. I never stated that Imp form had the wrong moves, and you didn't answer my question about Sheik's move set, so yeah. Awesome to end the conversation to your vague conclusion, isn't it?

True, Zevox, but she used a Deku seed instead of just vanishing in smoke. She vanished in a flash, but I can still see your point. As for the rest of her moves, we never did see her use a chain or needles.

Again what does Sheik have to do with this?

 

[Darky Dee]

Again, because we only saw Sheik about seven times, fifteen seconds each, and all we saw her do was use a Deku seed to teleport with a flash and play a harp, and your idea about having people's heads explode to come up with moves for true form-Midna because we saw her in the final scene is completely irrelevant.

 

[Luthien]

Again what does Sheik have to do with this?

I think they're saying they made up a moveset (mostly) for Sheik, so they can make one up for Midna (don't know which form anymore...) too.

I could be wrong (confused!).

 

[Luthien]

So you basically want them to pull a moveset out of their *** for true form, while Imp form has all the right moves? FAIL! True Form has NO moves, Imp form does and as I said, end of discussion.

Midna never attacked in the game directly without the fused shadows. Ever. Really. Even when you held down be while a wolf and she cast a field of dark energy around you, YOU would attack the enemies. Midna's imp form has just as few attacks as her true form. So, do you want her to wear the fused shadows for the entire fight in Brawl? Because that's the only way we saw her attack.

 

[vesperview]

Again, because we only saw Sheik about seven times, fifteen seconds each, and all we saw her do was use a Deku seed to teleport with a flash and play a harp, and your idea about having people's heads explode to come up with moves for true form-Midna because we saw her in the final scene is completely irrelevant.

So? Sheik had a major role in OoT, more prominent than True form Midna's 5 minute cutscene at the end of TP, plus Sheik doesn't have any variants from which they could choose moves from, unlike Midna, so yeah they have to pull the moveset out of their *** if they want to have Sheik in a Smash game, you don't have any good reason to say they would choose True from over Imp Form, is preposterous to even think they could do that.

Midna never attacked in the game directly without the fused shadows. Ever. Really. Even when you held down be while a wolf and she cast a field of dark energy around you, YOU would attack the enemies. Midna's imp form has just as few attacks as her true form. So, do you want her to wear the fused shadows for the entire fight in Brawl? Because that's the only way we saw her attack.

You obviously have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[Darky Dee]

So? Sheik had a major role in OoT, more prominent than True form Midna's 5 minute cutscene at the end of TP, plus Sheik doesn't have any variants from which they could choose moves from, unlike Midna, so yeah they have to pull the moveset out of their *** if they want to have Sheik in a Smash game, you don't have any good reason to say they would choose True from over Imp Form, is preposterous to even think they could do that.

Yeah, Sheik was so important that she only graces the screen fifteen seconds each for her seven appearances only to teach a song or tell Link where to go.

Midna does have variants, we're arguing about it right now. There is this Imp form, and the True form, and the Fused Shadows form, so you're kind of contradicting yourself. It's not rocket science to come up with moves, you're making it out to be quantum mechanics. They did the same with a bunch of other combatants.


Again, you're putting words in my mouth. I never stated that I want true form over Imp form. I would prefer to have imp form AND true form, and transforming on the go, like Zelda and Sheik. It's not hard to understand that from my posts, it's nothing in between the lines.

 

[Luthien]

So? Sheik had a major role in OoT, more prominent than True form Midna's 5 minute cutscene at the end of TP, plus Sheik doesn't have any variants from which they could choose moves from, unlike Midna, so yeah they have to pull the moveset out of their *** if they want to have Sheik in a Smash game, you don't have any good reason to say they would choose True from over Imp Form, is preposterous to even think they could do that.



You obviously have no idea what I'm talking about.

I think I do. You're arguing that Midna's imp form has a moveset that practically writes itself, whereas her true form did not. I simply disagree. Midna's imp form never attacked directly in TP (without the fused shadows, which I'm assuming are going to be her Final Smash), so you can't say that she has a better moveset than her true form. Nintendo has just as little to work with for her imp form as her true form. I do happen to think that Midna has a better chance of being in Brawl than her true form, but I'm just saying not for the reason you're giving. I'm sorry if I've offended you in any way.

 

[vesperview]

I think I do. You're arguing that Midna's imp form has a moveset that practically writes itself, whereas her true form did not. I simply disagree. Midna's imp form never attacked directly in TP (without the fused shadows, which I'm assuming are going to be her Final Smash), so you can't say that she has a better moveset than her true form. Nintendo has just as little to work with for her imp form as her true form. I do happen to think that Midna has a better chance of being in Brawl than her true form, but I'm just saying not for the reason you're giving. I'm sorry if I've offended you in any way.

Imp form has a better moveset than true form because true form doesn't have moves, get it?

@Darky Dee:

If you think Sheik's appearance in OoT is as insignificant as True Form Midna's appearance there is nothing I can do... Sheik was Zelda in disguise that's a major role right there, plus his appearances are far more than Midna's true form, Midna has two fighting variants, Imp form and the Twilight Spider, it wouldn't go beyond those two forms.

 

[Darky Dee]

Did you hit your head on the pavement or something? Luthien didn't imply that, and you're basing your opinions on opinions.

Most of us already established that Imp form would be excellent and already has a general idea on what moves she could use, so I don't really know what you're on.

All I was stating was that having true-form too would be sweet, by transforming the way Zelda and Sheik do. You're putting things way out of proportion. And I know Sheik realistically "is" Zelda in Ocarina of Time, but as a persona in Smash Bros., Zelda is Zelda, and Sheik is Sheik, so that's still irrelevant. I could easily say that true-form Midna is equally important, because imp Midna was almost in every second of the game, and Imp Midna is realistically True form Midna.

I thought you digressed your activity on this discussion.

 

[Luthien]

Imp form has a better moveset than true form because true form doesn't have moves, get it?

@Darky Dee:

If you think Sheik's appearance in OoT is as insignificant as True Form Midna's appearance there is nothing I can do... Sheik was Zelda in disguise that's a major role right there, plus his appearances are far more than Midna's true form, Midna has two fighting variants, Imp form and the Twilight Spider, it wouldn't go beyond those two forms.

Once again, I think imp form will have a better moveset because she has better potential, not because of her true forms lack of it. Midna's imp form doesn't have moves (excluding her Fused Shadows, which will be taken up through her final smash, so she won't be able to use the Fused Shadows for any of her moves). Both forms never attacked anything, or anyone. I think imp form's moveset would be better because it would be far more original. We already have two princesses. All I'm saying is that your arguement is that Midna's true form has no moves, and her imp form does. I'm saying that's not true.

 

[vesperview]

This argument is getting tedious annoying and TL;DR... So bottom line do we all agree Imp Form is better yes or no?

 

[Luthien]

This argument is getting tedious annoying and TL;DR... So bottom line do we all agree Imp Form is better yes or no?

I have to say that imp form would be more unique, but her true form COULD (I'm not saying it will) work too. We'll just have to wait and see. It entirely depends on how Nintendo pulls off the character; we won't know until we try her out.

Of course, we don't really know if Midna's in Brawl at all (fingers crossed, people!)...

 

[Cindermomo]

Comon guys, Midna is kick ***, but wouldn't it be better if she was a boss in adventure? idk im just pullin this outta my ***.

 

[Darky Dee]

You really don't get it, do you?

I may be writing for others too. We would expect Midna's imp form to be in Brawl. Some of us also want true form as well, so we can get two for the price of one like Zelda and Sheik, so it doesn't matter if one move set is better than the other, because we all have our own opinions.

And definitely not a boss in Subspace Emissary. She deserves to be a playable character. I don't know why she'd be a boss. She is a protagonist, not an antagonist. x:

 

[vesperview]

Comon guys, Midna is kick ***, but wouldn't it be better if she was a boss in adventure? idk im just pullin this outta my ***.

Sarcasm right? Midna as a boss?

You really don't get it, do you?

I may be writing for others too. We would expect Midna's imp form to be in Brawl. Some of us also want true form as well, so we can get two for the price of one like Zelda and Sheik, so it doesn't matter if one move set is better than the other, because we all have our own opinions.

W/E

 

[Darky Dee]

I just want to make one thing clear to you, vesperview. I have no harsh feelings towards you, I just wish you didn't pop into the discussion as if you owned the place and started berating me and putting words in people's mouths.

On a different subject, Midna a boss? Perhaps, only if she was really a playable character though, like you beat her and then unlock her, but if she is like Petey Piranah, definitely not. She deserves more credit than that. >:

 

[vesperview]

Sorry if I seemed a bit arrogant... I sometimes don't know how to get my point across without seeming that way.

 

[Zevox]

Comon guys, Midna is kick ***, but wouldn't it be better if she was a boss in adventure? idk im just pullin this outta my ***.

That was a joke, right? Midna isn't a villain - she is in fact a fairly altruistic individual, if mostly towards her own people until Link shows her that his world is worth saving too. For her to be a Subspace Emissary boss would be utterly nonsensical.

Zevox

 

[Jack Alexander]

I think, as the second most important character in Twilight Princess, Midna has a pretty high chance of getting in Brawl, whether Wolf Link is with her or not. Personally, I could care either way as long as she is in. Having her with Wolf Link would definitely present a unique moveset, having both her and a four-legged character teaming up to battle, but having her by herself also could offer some nice moves. I suppose Midna's inclusion in Brawl is up to Sakurai, but I think she should be in. :]

 

[Black/Light]

What makes you think a form of Midna that was barely in the game and that unless you have played TP you probably won't know will make it? Imp Midna has the moves, the FS, True Form Midna has NOTHING!

. . . .I never played OoT yet Shiek got in

And True Form has twilt Magic. . . if you didn't know their shadow magic (Twilt Magic) was what got them tossed in the TR in the first place where as the FS was just powerful things they made using their OWN magic. Like someone said, theres a reason Zant turned her into a imp who later needed to use the FS.

If True form Midna gets in than she gets in. . . .no amount of b***hing and mouning about how long she was on screen will stop that.

ANYWAY, I said this for Mewtwo and I will say it for midna. I think Midna should glide cause she floats. . . only logical imo.

 

[Darky Dee]

I don't know about nonsensical. It'd be whimsical if she were a boss for Zelda, and have a set match to whenever she gets 200% damage and can't be knocked out, the fight stops and a cutscene ensues about those shadow minions going after them both, and they both team up to take them on and become allies and pursue the main antagonist of Subspace Emissary.

 

[Chiroz]

I have to say that imp form would be more unique, but her true form COULD (I'm not saying it will) work too. We'll just have to wait and see. It entirely depends on how Nintendo pulls off the character; we won't know until we try her out.

Of course, we don't really know if Midna's in Brawl at all (fingers crossed, people!)...

Actually Imp Midna does attack Ganon, she knocks him to the side, transforms her hair in so many ways that you know its possible for her to use it as a weapon, she sometimes does use it offensively and lastly she also grabs things with it, so that has all her grabs figured out.


I personally would like to see her with Wolf Link, I don't know why some people want her by herself. I do want her with Wolf Link, but she would be the main character and Link woudnt steal the spotlight, basically her moves could go a bit like, all the grabs, aerials and B moves would be Midna, Wolf Link would have the smashes and the tilts, and the Final Smash would be Midna acquiring all of the Fused Shadows. I personally believe this would also be a very nice addition because it would be a totally new character concept (like the Ice Climbers were to melee) a character that "rides" another character and that they stand in 4 legs, is well, new.

The thing I could see a problem is, when they get knocked off (Since it would look weird if they flew together after a hit, like they were quirurgically {W/E} attached), but IMO that could be easily fixed, they could make different animations were if Midna gets smashed lets say, WL will fly further than Midna, but right after the stun hit runs off, Midna would just teleport WL to her and start riding him again.

Her Up + B could also consist of that, she would jump in the air (by herself) then quickly teleport WL to her, basically just using him as a mount. I just want her with WL because it kind of represents who she is and how she plays in the game.

 

[plasmatorture]

I just want her with WL because it kind of represents who she is and how she plays in the game.

That's exactly why I don't want Wolf Link included (or Sheik as one of Zelda's moves, but that's for another thread): WL does NOT represent who Midna is. At all. If aything, he represents an arbitrary outside force RESTRICTING Smash being able to fully show who Midna is.

due the nature of Midna and the fact that her moveset has a lot of room for creativity, it'd be much more fun and unique a character to feature just Midna solely than toss in an annoying extra that desn't do anything but spin around and bite.

 

[UsernameLink]

That's exactly why I don't want Wolf Link included (or Sheik as one of Zelda's moves, but that's for another thread): WL does NOT represent who Midna is. At all. If aything, he represents an arbitrary outside force RESTRICTING Smash being able to fully show who Midna is.

due the nature of Midna and the fact that her moveset has a lot of room for creativity, it'd be much more fun and unique a character to feature just Midna solely than toss in an annoying extra that desn't do anything but spin around and bite.

Bowser spins and bite, and claws kinda like a wolf link... whie zelda uses magic... kinda like midna. But no character has magical abilitys, with a giant hand and can still spin bite and claw. But each to there own

 

[Darky Dee]

That's exactly why I don't want Wolf Link included (or Sheik as one of Zelda's moves, but that's for another thread): WL does NOT represent who Midna is. At all. If aything, he represents an arbitrary outside force RESTRICTING Smash being able to fully show who Midna is.

I totally agree. i think Midna can hold her own, plus Link is already in the game. Brawl is suppose to be nonsensical, but having Wolf Link with regular Link is pushing it, overkill if you ask me.

 

[Black/Light]

The way I see it Wolf Link repersents LINK and who HE played in the game. It just so happens that with this form of Link Midna showned her protental and helpfulness the most.

IMO Midna would be way more unique as a solo character. "But this would be unique cause this would be the first time 1 character rides another" unless Midna gets knocked off it just looks to me as if they simply make up one 4 legged character (with Midna being cheated out of a whole move set alone)and we have that so that makes floating and 4 legs = in my book (Mew2 + Ivy).

I think the most Wolf Link should intrude in Midna's move set is to have her summon him for a Bv/B> like Wario's Bike. She dashes around the stage on him (can even do a few moves like the throat bitter and the claw dash) than de-summons him. There, wolf Link makes a small enuff cameo for us to not b***h about there being soo many Links and Midna gets to ride the wolf as ONE of her moves.

And I still think Midna should Glide. She can fly in tp so why not?

 

[Darky Dee]

Exactly! I think she should be able to levitate/hover off the ground like Mewtwo, plus she' be taller than Pikachu and Kirby, probably around Luca's height, with an additional foot with her helmet, but I'm still against her being associated with Wolf Link still. >:

 

[Chiroz]

I totally agree. i think Midna can hold her own, plus Link is already in the game. Brawl is suppose to be nonsensical, but having Wolf Link with regular Link is pushing it, overkill if you ask me.

We had 2 different Link's in melee -_-'

That's exactly why I don't want Wolf Link included (or Sheik as one of Zelda's moves, but that's for another thread): WL does NOT represent who Midna is. At all. If aything, he represents an arbitrary outside force RESTRICTING Smash being able to fully show who Midna is.

due the nature of Midna and the fact that her moveset has a lot of room for creativity, it'd be much more fun and unique a character to feature just Midna solely than toss in an annoying extra that desn't do anything but spin around and bite.

4 legged character is a new concept on its own, I understand you want Midna by herself, but you cant just say that WL can just dash and bite, I mean you can say all Sheik could do was kick and run (and teleport), and look, a complete unique moveset.

You might argue WL does not represent her, which is true but he does not really restrict her, everytime she fought she was alongside him, thats why I would like to see him in the game, plus he isn't that much of a burden as you make it seem.

The way I see it Wolf Link repersents LINK and who HE played in the game. It just so happens that with this form of Link Midna showned her protental and helpfulness the most.

IMO Midna would be way more unique as a solo character. "But this would be unique cause this would be the first time 1 character rides another" unless Midna gets knocked off it just looks to me as if they simply make up one 4 legged character (with Midna being cheated out of a whole move set alone)and we have that so that makes floating and 4 legs = in my book (Mew2 + Ivy).

I think the most Wolf Link should intrude in Midna's move set is to have her summon him for a Bv/B> like Wario's Bike. She dashes around the stage on him (can even do a few moves like the throat bitter and the claw dash) than de-summons him. There, wolf Link makes a small enuff cameo for us to not b***h about there being soo many Links and Midna gets to ride the wolf as ONE of her moves.

And I still think Midna should Glide. She can fly in tp so why not?

This is actually good, Having her summon him with her vB and when she is riding him all her Tilts + Her dash attack could change into a WL move, leaving her smashes, her specials and her aerials exactly the same, her grabs could change a little, but it would still be Midna grabbing and throwing, and maybe WL biting on the grabbed person. This would also make her character deeper, strategic-wise.


And yes, she should glide, but not Mewtwo glide, Mewtwo is very close to the ground, I think Midna would look kinda small with that glide, I believe she should glide higher above the ground.

 

[Black/Light]

This is actually good, Having her summon him with her vB and when she is riding him all her Tilts + Her dash attack could change into a WL move, leaving her smashes, her specials and her aerials exactly the same, her grabs could change a little, but it would still be Midna grabbing and throwing, and maybe WL biting on the grabbed person. This would also make her character deeper, strategic-wise.


And yes, she should glide, but not Mewtwo glide, Mewtwo is very close to the ground, I think Midna would look kinda small with that glide, I believe she should glide higher above the ground.

I mean't that she would just dash around on him and he would have like one or two dash attacks. . . like Wario's bike but with only 1 or 2 attacks (no jumping/throwing/smashing or anything, just 1 or 2 attacks well with WL tell she desummons him).

And when I said she and Mewtwo should be able to glide I mean't like this

Only seems logical for both of these floaters to be able to glide like characters with wings seeing as they both can fly.

 

[Chiroz]

I mean't that she would just dash around on him and he would have like one or two dash attacks. . . like Wario's bike but with only 1 or 2 attacks (no jumping/throwing/smashing or anything, just 1 or 2 attacks well with WL tell she desummons him).

Well thats good, but changing her Tilts aint that much (She still has grabs, smashes, aerials, specials and throws), and really it fits for WL to have the tilts

And when I said she and Mewtwo should be able to glide I mean't like this

Only seems logical for both of these floaters to be able to glide like characters with wings seeing as they both can fly.

Oh, thats what you meant? Well I dont think she should be able to glide, but maybe she could Float (as in Peach float, but better)

 

[thedup]

pretty much joined this forum to say that I want Midna more than anyone besides Micaiah, and I do not at all want WL to be there with her, which I think would be completely ridiculous, for all the reasons mentioned. I wouldn't however mind if she summoned link for her >b attack just to lunge and then disappear. It would be kind of ridiculous if not for Peaches B move. At least Midna being able to pull WL out of nowhere can be remotely logically explained. It wouldn't be completely awful for her to ride him as her >b, but I'd prefer if she just summoned him and he attacked once, or maybe something akin to an assist trophy where he was computer controlled. Just as long as he isn't a permanent part of her moveset, which would just totally ruin her for me, even though I would still use her

don't care either way for true form. and btw, I still haven't beaten TP, only just passed the water temple, and haven't gotten around to finishing it yet. was great to see almost half of the people posting would label it as a spoiler. It doesn't bother me that much since I thought it was pretty obvious that she was the Twilight Princess when her character was first introduced.
however, the person who posted pictures of her in octo form for the fake final smash update deserves to die. that made me really pissed off.
also, I was tempted to join just to shout at UsernameLink to stop typing "minda" but I see they finally fixed it.

 

[Zevox]

That's exactly why I don't want Wolf Link included (or Sheik as one of Zelda's moves, but that's for another thread): WL does NOT represent who Midna is. At all. If aything, he represents an arbitrary outside force RESTRICTING Smash being able to fully show who Midna is.

I agree wholeheartedly. I want Midna, not some alternate Link who happens to have along as a prop and for some of its moves. Frankly, I've never been too fond of the Wolf - it just wasn't implemented very well in TP, and wound up as a little option, more like an item than a special feature of the game - but Midna was the single most interesting character ever introduced to the Zelda series. As I've said, if she is to be in Brawl, let it be as herself.

Zevox

 

[Luthien]

I agree wholeheartedly. I want Midna, not some alternate Link who happens to have along as a prop and for some of its moves. Frankly, I've never been too fond of the Wolf - it just wasn't implemented very well in TP, and wound up as a little option, more like an item than a special feature of the game - but Midna was the single most interesting character ever introduced to the Zelda series. As I've said, if she is to be in Brawl, let it be as herself.

Zevox

This is strange. I have seen very few (at most) people support the wolf on this thread, but look at the poll's results...

...very strange...

I'm not anti-wolf, I'm pro-Midna... which in this case is kind of the same thing.

 

[Luthien]

I don't want wolf link in, but I can see how one could argue his reasons for being in.

Ignoring the continuity issue, it could make sense. We have very few four-legged animals in Smash (so far, I think Pikachu's a loner... maybe not an 'animal', but anyway) and I could be fun to play as him. Not to mention we see great attacks in TP, so a pre-written moveset is practically complete.

I was thinking, if we MUST (which we don't) have wolf link, couldn't he sort of be like Wario's motorcycle? Or kind of like a Popo-Nana relationship (but this would probably be cheap), where you could have both on screen, but switch which one you could control via down b? Just a few ideas.

And yes, I DO want Midna in on her own. These are just a few ideas I like to toy with.

 

[Chiroz]

I don't want wolf link in, but I can see how one could argue his reasons for being in.

Ignoring the continuity issue, it could make sense. We have very few four-legged animals in Smash (so far, I think Pikachu's a loner... maybe not an 'animal', but anyway) and I could be fun to play as him. Not to mention we see great attacks in TP, so a pre-written moveset is practically complete.

I was thinking, if we MUST (which we don't) have wolf link, couldn't he sort of be like Wario's motorcycle? Or kind of like a Popo-Nana relationship (but this would probably be cheap), where you could have both on screen, but switch which one you could control via down b? Just a few ideas.

And yes, I DO want Midna in on her own. These are just a few ideas I like to toy with.

IMO the idea posted by Black/Light is pretty good, there is Midna, you pick her in your selection screen, the game starts you have Midna, all by herself, all the attacks related around her, then when you press vB, you Twilight Summon WL, and ride him, this (IMO) should change your run speed, your jump speed, your jump height (but you would lose the property of your second jump {That is if Midna's second jump would be given a property ir: Gliding or Floating}), your dash attack and your tilts (4 Attacks in total), but every other single attack (Grabs, Throws, Specials, Smashes, Aerials) (18 Attacks in total) would remain either exactly the same or slightly fixed so it won't look weird when riding WL (but not really changing them at all), pressing vB would make WL dissapear and Midna regain her own moveset. This is probably the best idea I've heard

 

[Luthien]

IMO the idea posted by Black/Light is pretty good, there is Midna, you pick her in your selection screen, the game starts you have Midna, all by herself, all the attacks related around her, then when you press vB, you Twilight Summon WL, and ride him, this (IMO) should change your run speed, your jump speed, your jump height (but you would lose the property of your second jump {That is if Midna's second jump would be given a property ir: Gliding or Floating}), your dash attack and your tilts (4 Attacks in total), but every other single attack (Grabs, Throws, Specials, Smashes, Aerials) (18 Attacks in total) would remain either exactly the same or slightly fixed so it won't look weird when riding WL (but not really changing them at all), pressing vB would make WL dissapear and Midna regain her own moveset. This is probably the best idea I've heard

Oh, I haven't read that one... probably because I haven't bothered to read past page 5...

Anyway, that's a good idea. I just hope that if it's used, it's balanced.

 

[Kirby_M@ster]

I want Midna in there on her own. She's very capable of it, as seen in Twilight Princess. A whole moveset would be very easy to make with her, as well as a Final Smash which you'd know of if you've finished Twilight Princess.

Wolf Link, I don't mind if he's in but I want Midna to be a seperate character. She's just... Awesome.