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You know, Midna rode on Wolf Link in TP, and it doesnt look stupid.
Totally, dude have you seen that new char "The Bike", I heard it has someone riding it...
But Brawl is different from Melee. With all the stuff of the SE, the story would look strange with two Links. In Melee that didn't care because there wasn't a history you had to follow.
True, the WL supporters disapeared, or the poll is fixed or something. For me is more than enought to know that Midna is more acclaimed to be in her own. At least in the pages I've read ^^''
Why does the SE matter, you have Yoshi with Link, Kirby and Zelda! People are talking about TP Zelda turning into Shiek, but, that makes no sence, Zelda didnt do that in TP... Ok, then Shiek must be a seprate character! Oh wait, now it doesn't work with the SE, cos there are two zeldas... Hmm, oh i get it, it doesnt matter that there is more than 1 Zelda or that TP Zelda can turn into Shiek! Its Brawl, it doesnt have to make sence...
It makes perfect sense, actually. You just need to stop thinking that the art style used on Zelda means shes specifically the Zelda from that particular game. The Zelda characters use their Twilight Princess art because its their most up-to-date, but they represent the series as a whole. Heck, we know Zelda uses Ocarina of Time spells for her special moves still (Din's Fire and Farore's Wind have been seen in screenshots and videos). Theres no reason it would be nonsensical for Zelda to use any ability shes had throughout the Zelda games, no matter what art style she has.
Explain why Link uses TP princessmoves:
This was said in the Alt costumes thread.
He never had magic on his spin attack, the gale boomerang is just an effect added onto a move he already had, and the claw shot is part of that "most up-to-date" art style thing I mentioned (there is no similarly up-to-date Hookshot).
This is all BS, and you probably know it. You make it sound as if those spells were somehow innate abilities linked to their namesakes throughout the series, when in fact neither they nor the Goddesses themselves have appeared anywhere but Ocarina of Time (technically Goddesses have been statues, but thats beside the point.) You have no basis for any claim that Zelda has some special connection to the Goddesses - even in Ocarina of Time, the only Zelda game where she displays any magical powers outside of those granted by her piece of the Triforce, its because she is a sage as well, not because of the Goddesses - and your claim that more than one Zelda knows those spells is completely inaccurate, since Zelda has never displayed the ability to use those spells anywhere but SSB. The only one who ever used them was Link, and then only in Ocarina of Time.Stryks said:
Because Sheik was put into SSB in Melee and has no reason to be removed in Brawl.Stryks said:
His abilities and items are almost utterly unchanged - his spin attack can now be charged, which is a generic ability from most of the games, and his boomerang has gained a property in addition to those it had before, a simple addition and not an actual change to the item. The rest is all graphical and design update to moves he uses in every (or almost every) game. Ganondorf will likely have a sword and magic to de-clone him, because those are the abilities he uses most often in the Zelda games and thus are the abilities that make the most sense to give him, not just because he uses them in TP.Stryks said:
Yeah, I saw (and responded to) that earlier. It was one laughable argument, to say the least.vesperview said:
This one is VERY easy, see how characters are teamed together, well, Link is teamed with Yoshi, so you go with Yoshi all the way to a point, then you find Midna, now everytime you choose a character you can choose between Link, Midna and Yoshi, if you pick Link or if you pick Midna, Yoshi will be your ally, if you pick Yoshi, the 2nd player can pick between of Link or Midna. On the story part, choosing Link will just make Midna go into your shadow and not fight that battle, choosing Midna will make Link go into Wolf Link and wait there until Midna summons him into the fight.
*turns on Melee and gets into a quick Link match* Huh, never noticed that. Well, its still nothing but a graphical effect.
This I'm pretty sure is false. The Oocca are mentioned to be closer to the Gods than anyone else - and to possibly be the race that created the Hylians - but theres nothing about the royal family being connected to the Gods.Raykz said:
That was my point, and not his. Zelda is representing all the Zeldas, and so its perfectly sensible for her to be able to become Sheik, since she did in one of the games. Stryks was arguing that shes the TP Zelda only, and so its not sensible to have Sheik in, which is a ridiculous notion.Raykz said:
Which is, like I said, a simple graphical update, and no actual change to the items themselves.Raykz said:
Using magic does not mean she used those spells. Theres no doubt she uses magic in several of the games, but the spells she is using in SSB are seen only as spells used by Link in Ocarina of Time.Stryks said:
Because she is representing all Zeldas, one of which used the Sheik disguise, and that disguise was a character in Melee who was no reason to be removed for Brawl.Stryks said:
She used the OoT model because it was then the most up-to-date 3D one, just as TP is now. And she still uses OoT abilities, which were never hers, but rather Link's. Theres no reason she couldn't also become Sheik.Stryks said:
Only on one attack, and even there its merely an additional ability on an item which he uses in many games and is otherwise unchanged. On the others he simply has that game's look due to the graphical update.Stryks said:
Why not leave a fan-favorite character from Melee in and give Zelda the Light Arrows as a final smash or replacement for one the spells she was given but never actually used in her games instead? That certainly makes more sense than arbitrarily removing the character because there happens to be a new move she could potentially use.Stryks said:
I disagree. A more diverse moveset and movement could be had by Midna, a magic-wielding, hovering Imp, than by a simple wolf, who would predictably be simply running, clawing, and biting.superorange said:
Well to all those who have said this too (ie: Zevox, who I agree with in most parts), I think the idea posted by Black/White later modified very slightly by me is a very good idea which would keep both, Midna as a solo character fans (you guys) and the WL + Midna combo happy (me and the 280 other people who voted).
I'm happy with that, everyone gets what they want (although I do want Wolf Link to have diffrent moves when vB summons him). If anyone says no to that and they dont want Wolf Link at all, surely thats selfish?
That'd be acceptable by me. I'd probably never use Midna's down B then, but as long as shes in and I can use her as her own character, thats a small price to pay.
We'll just have to agree to disagree, then, because I only see the wolf detracting from Midna. Shes the one I like, and shes the one I feel is worthy of being in the game. I can't say either of those about the wolf, nor can I see how you think having her ride an animal allows for a more diverse set of abilities than the use of her magic would.UsernameLink said:
Isn't it a little late for that discussion? We already know he doesn't, since we know all of his specials and his FS, and none cause him to change into the wolf.UsernameLink said:
I know he cant... I was just wondering, I mean all the thing about Shiek being represented as a Zelda total, why shouldnt Wolf Link
What if i want to play as Wolf Link? I like Midna, and i like Wolf Link. But i love the idea of Wolf Link and Midna design in Brawl.
No, it's actually very different. With Zelda an Sheik, you control one person at a time. With Wolf Link mounted with Midna, you're controlling Wolf Link, not Midna, that-- and we already have Link, and he already has his own distinct moves, and does not transform.
I think saying "more than one Link" is the stupidest arguement ever. I love the idea of Wolf Link and Midna, and Young Link (WW Link) has been in more games than adult Link, easily deserving a spot. I only really want 2 Links in Brawl, but if Wolf Link cant get a spot, then WW Link should.
actually WW link has only been in 2 games.
You write that it's the stupidest argument ever? How so? It would be different if Link could transform into his wolf form, but that isn't he case here. Link has his the same moves he had before except they were just upgraded with different effects. You're also insinuating that you want another form of Link as a separate character slot with Midna, which we have to happen to play as Wolf Link with Midna's aid, not Midna herself-- and not forgetting to mention Young Link from Phantom Hourglass.
No, I said i want 2 Links, and Adult Link, and a Wolf Link(with Midna), but if there is no Wolf Link, then Young Link. Young Link is more important in Zelda games than Midna, bar TP, because Young Link is in far more games than Midna. But I think that Wolf Link and Midna is a great character design, and this is there only chance to get in a Smash game.
Enlighten me with a moveset of Skull Kid in a PM for me. I'm looking for of seeing his FS. Besides, Zant is more fitting of a boss than anything.
Unless they are transforming characters, over-representation of a single character by giving them a new slot isn't what Sakurai is aiming for, which could conclude that no matter how popular that certain clone character is, they're most likely not playable. So that comment wasn't really fallacious.
Of course there are too many Links, even if it's just one. You need only one 1 Link to represent Link, so it's kinda wasting another good character chance of getting in. In Melee, their concept was just to add favorite characters that they liked over the years. In Brawl however, the concept is to try to get rid of the problem of having similar characters (perfect clones/perfect cloned moveseted characters/alts) and having new (or old) characters that are generically different from them.
I disagree on that one. Like I just said, this is over-representing ONE character. I believe that Brawl isn't about one character, it's about all the different characters that made an impact from different series in Nintendo. As long they are completely different characters, they are more welcome to join.
You obviously can't comprehend what you read. "If" is a very important word, also it was followed by "it isn't the case." And it isn't the case, because I know well that Link can't transform into Wolf Link. So there is no loophole. Anywhoo, I was glad I entertained you even though the idea totally went over your head.
and for those of us that have played it, it is the worst. it is worse than wind waker and almost as bad as CDI.
This is based on your opinion, and I dare not bother trying to change your point of view, but Midna did a lot more than steer you in the right direction. She was a prominent character in the game that basically stole the entire show. There is a big difference between having a fairy yell at you to tell you to do something and an imp that joins you so you could do her bidding in hopes for an ulterior motive that benefits everyone in the end.
important characters are just link, zelda, and gannon. all the others are too minoot to be playable, but might make apearences s assist trophies and such