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This is what I have up. I'm confused.
Thanks for showing me.
I think the format and info are quite good. I give this my stamp of approval. Keep up the good work. I've been looking at a lot of matchup threads lately and this is probably one of the most polished. It hits the high points of what to look for in a match up.
Which is exactly why I put such an emphasis on his Utilt and Nair, take advantage of the priority you do have.
Good Wolves get thrashed by Good Snakes.
You may as well U-Smash in the position of U-Tilt.
Utilt is for his Fsmash which is quick, and out prioritizes all of Olimars ground attacks. Dtilt can't even get you under the Lazors =\
Latched yellows get shaken off by the bayonet, you can't absorb his lasers that way. Platform stages work against laser spam tough.
My bad. Olimar can approach Wolf safely. It's hard, but definitely possible. Some people think this matchup is sooo onesided for wolf because of how hard it is to approach. I think wolf has the advantage, but it's definitely winable though. Olimar, like most characters, can powershield walk to get close and jump up. If wolf quits lasering and runs away, oli just falls and repeats. If he goes underneath him, you can just land near him and go about your business.
the whistle.
Actually, I need to address some points and ask some questions.
-Wolf outcamps Olimar
Yes.
-Olimar can approach safely
-bair wall can be WACed to be able to approach.
I don't know if its worth sucking up the damage, keep in mind it'll still refresh wolf's moves. Any other approach options?
-dthrow>fair>grab>dthrow is a true combo am I right?
No idea, but probably.
Do you edgeguard wolf? If so, how? I'm not exactly sure.
I have no idea, but for the upB spike, just make sure you're at a range where only the weak part will hit, then you'll be safe. He can shine you offstage if you get in close though, so... maybe throwing a purple pikmin? Also, if he's recovering from below, and pikmin can still hit people after a fsmash that sends the pikmin off the stage, it could work as a gimp. I don't know if that works though, that's your job
How do you deal with shine?
Bait it, I can't think of any good ways how to though. Grabs work on the reflector, just like everything else, after the invincibility frames. Otherwise, just stay outside his shine range and grab grab grab, your grab range is too good.
What are wolf's most reliable kill moves in this fight? Dsmash gets decayed by most wolfs from what I've seen. Contrary to popular belief, pummeling does NOT restore move decay.
Each grab you get only counts the refreshing for the first pummel IIRC, the others don't count. All smashes can kill, spike, bair offstage (not really because of whistle though, right?), fair, and utilt. Mostly dsmash though, which won't be decayed by a good wolf, so keep your distance (grabs help).
It's Olimar's best option against a bair wall. The damage input to output will greatly favor Olimar. If I can whistle one bair and have it lead into a grab, I'll take only 10-15% and give you at least 40. This is our goal. We won't need any other approaches against it. As for the laser, that has been explained already.
I guess it's only "safe" to edgeguard a recovery from below like you said. The pikmin we use for an fsmash isn't multihit. It won't hit twice. Nevertheless, I love to use it to edgeuard though. ^_^I have no idea, but for the upB spike, just make sure you're at a range where only the weak part will hit, then you'll be safe. He can shine you offstage if you get in close though, so... maybe throwing a purple pikmin? Also, if he's recovering from below, and pikmin can still hit people after a fsmash that sends the pikmin off the stage, it could work as a gimp. I don't know if that works though, that's your job
So it's one of those moves people are just going to have to get used to, like Rob's lasers. We know about spacing, lol.
fsmash won't hit very often, but if it does it probably won't be decayed for that reason. I guess that can make it a kill move. Better Olimars don't get spiked and gimped very often-mostly edgehogged. Uptilt kills? lol.
but it's usually a last-ditch attempt at a kill, and great at demoralizing your opponent if they lose a game because of it. I mean, really now. Utilt? That's just sad. I can't even put it in words. Seriously.Lol well Ftilt is your best option for any tilt kill, I've never killed with an Utilt though... but imagine the humiliation of the person you KO!!Lol yeah, uptilt kills. Its awesome how nobody really cares about it
For the fsmash, I meant just whiffing it, and letting the pikmin fall and hit wolf. I'm not too good when it comes to being clear in posts, so sorry about that ._.
Wolf's fsmash should just be used as a punisher, and it can kill, its sort of like a dsmash with less knockback and great distance, they have similar trajectories in general. You could get edgehogged afterwards though, so it's still something to watch out for I suppose, anything besides fsmash and dsmash on stage probably won't make it too difficult to get back on the stage.
, or maybe we are listening too much to the other threads. -_-
I know he doesn't look too hard on paper, and the lasers are avoidable, but Wolf's blaster puts tremendous pressure on Olimar. You can powershield them all (if you're good at it), but jumping into a nair or fair will get you shieldgrabbed or baired. You can't spotdodge all blaster shots, you can't outcamp Wolf because the bayonet kills pikmin, you can't regular shield them because it'll eat your shield. Approaching is insanely hard and pretty much the only way I can see is approach with a full jump and whistle the bair when it comes, which is not very easy and Wolf may just wait for the whistle and grab you. :/
