The Old Counter Game

[RedPeppers]

Well, if they hadn't given a cooler name for Rayquaza's ability, it wouldn't have been legendary (or something.)

Also, Lanturn wouldn't pop up so often if we could just STOP USING BOLTBEAM FOR EVERYTHING. If your hand gets countered easily, cut it off!

Anywho, versus Mantine:

Kecleon w/Choice Band
(+Sp. Def. -Sp. Atk.)/Color Change
255 Atk./ 255 Def.
+ Thunderpunch
+ Dynamicpunch
+ Shadow Ball
+ Trick
Assuming that you use Haze...I get no STAB.

I think Platypus brought up a good point, everyone keeps using bolt/beam and ghost/fighting for coverage. While there is nothing wrong with that, it kind of stagnates the metagame here. So anywho idk if any of you guys have ever used an attack type analyser, but I use it alot for here in "The Counter Game". Basically you can put in an attack type combination, and it will list all of the pokemon that resist that combination. It helps alot when trying to counter a previous pokemon's moveset, and coming up with an unresisted moveset combo of your own. Hopefully providing some unique counters. I used it to counter a Sarpedo with a Surskit after all! So.....let's all get really creative people.

Here's the one I use in case anyone is interested:

http://www.psypokes.com/dex/atktypeanalysis.php

I like it alot for team building purposes as well.

 

[TehBo49]

@ Lunatone

Hypno @ Leftovers
Careful
Insomnia
6 HP/252 Atk/252 Sp Def
-Zen Headbutt
-Brick Break
-Thunder Punch
-Wish

 

[Platypus]

Vs. Hypno:

Dusclops w/Leftovers
(+Def. -Sp. Atk.)/Pressure
255 Atk./ 255 Def.
+ Shadow Sneak
+ Fire Punch
+ Focus Punch
+ Swagger
SWAGAMAPUNCH.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Crawdaunt @ Choice Band
Adamant / Hyper Cutter
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Def
~Crunch
~Waterfal
~Brick Break
~Rock Slide

*yawn* Reap, if it doesn't work, just ignore it.

-Ter

 

[UUUser]

Um....is there a rule for no OUs?

@Crawdaunt:

Ludicolo @ Life Orb
Modest / Rain Dish
252 Sp Atk / 252 Def / 6 HP
~Energy Ball
~Surf
~Leech Seed
~Ice Beam

 

[RedPeppers]

Um....is there a rule for no OUs?

@Crawdaunt:

Ludicolo @ Life Orb
Modest / Rain Dish
252 Sp Atk / 252 Def / 6 HP
~Energy Ball
~Surf
~Leech Seed
~Ice Beam

Hey UUUser,
Yeah there's been an unofficial rule change here to only use BL and below pokes. Judging by your name you should enjoy it. Welcome to the PC by the way. Hope you enjoy your time here. Everyone here save a select few rare posters, and some n00bs is really nice. Anywho Peace Out.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Well his Ludicolo fits the spot.

I'll counter it...some other time...

-Ter

 

[Pink Reaper]

Awww, i missed my chance to point out that Crawdaunt doesn't work ;_;

 

[UUUser]

Oh, it doesn't? Then should my post be removed?

 

[Pink Reaper]

no no, lets just move on, its easier that way.

 

[zrky]

Awww, i missed my chance to point out that Crawdaunt doesn't work ;_;

I would have thought it did?
if it had solar beam( I don't think it does) that would be funny

 

[Ilucamy]

@Ludicolo

Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Modest / Snow Warning
252 Sp. Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def
~Blizzard
~Leech Seed
~Ingrain
~Toxic

My first attempt at making a counter without using any other websites. Pretty sad that I don't already do that, but whatever, I'm dependent on the internet XD.

 

[Pink Reaper]

@Abomasnow

Ampheros@Leftovers
Quiet/Static
252SpAtk/252Atk/4Hp
-Fire Punch
-Thunder
-Focus Punch
-HP Grass

Sort of a Mixed Sweeper here. Hp Grass/Thunder so I don't get walled by the same generic water types again.

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Ampharos@Leftovers
Quiet/Static
252SpAtk/252Atk/4Hp
-Fire Punch
-Thunder
-Focus Punch
-HP Grass

Flygon @ Muscle Band
Levitate
Adamant (+ atk - sp. atk)
252 Def/252 HP/6 sp. def
~Earthquake
~Earth Power
~Hidden Power [ground]
~Sand Tomb

*Should it be that Garchomp becomes Uber tier and Flygon becomes OU, this counter shall be null and void*
EQ OHKOs and all of you attacks can only 3HKO or more.

Spoiler

Waits to see next counter

 

[Pika25]

all ground attacks on this flygon?
Try this:
butterfree@sash
252 spe / 252 sp.at timid
bug buzz
hp:ice
sleep powder
psychic

Flying type protects butterfree from all ground attacks. hp:ice to rid flygon.

 

[sonofthesky]

Legimite, if it wasnt for focus sash.

 

[0RLY]

Focus Sash is allowed only if it isn't necessary.

 

[Platypus]

More specifically, it's permitted only if it has no application to the current counter, but to its counter, as a OHKO would mean death without it.

Against Butterless:

Rapidash w/Leftovers
(+Atk. -Def.)/Flash Fire
100 Atk./ 155 Sp. Atk./ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Flare Blitz
+ HP Water
+ Hypnosis
+ Fury Attack
Dpe!

 

[IC3R]

Against Butterless:

Rapidash w/Leftovers
(+Atk. -Def.)/Flash Fire
100 Atk./ 155 Sp. Atk./ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Flare Blitz
+ HP Water
+ Hypnosis
+ Fury Attack
Dpe!

Sashes are nigh-useless in the Counter Game...

Kabutops @ Salac Berry
Adamant / Battle Armor
EVs - 56 HP, 248 Att, 204 Spd
~Waterfall
~Stone Edge
~Brick Break
~Swords Dance

Gets 4HKO'd by HP Water, which leaves enough time to wake up if hit by Hypnosis (considering I have 1 more Speed point than you ) and OHKO with Waterfall or Stone Edge. Brick Break to cover those who take little from Fall or Edge. SwordSalac to be a bit more devastating.

 

[Platypus]

Let's-a go!

Against Absorpitops:

Berolenn w/Liechi Berry
Adamant/Dry Skin
255 Atk./ 255 Def.
+ Natural Gift
+ Thief
+ Dynamicpunch
+ Bullet Punch
Natural Gift is natural!

 

[Pink Reaper]

I have no idea what pokemon that is.

 

[RedPeppers]

Let's-a go!

Against Absorpitops:

Berolenn w/Liechi Berry
Adamant/Dry Skin
255 Atk./ 255 Def.
+ Natural Gift
+ Thief
+ Dynamicpunch
+ Bullet Punch
Natural Gift is natural!

Umm yeah........... proper names please? kthxbai

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Berolenn???

-Ter

 

[IC3R]

He's talking about Toxicroak...which, by the way, is not a counter to my Kabutops.
Even with the Defense EVs, Croak still gets 2HKO'd by Waterfall. I'm faster, so no counter...

Fepic Ailure!!!!

Please try again later...

 

[Terywj [태리]]

How did he get Berolenn from Toxicroak? *** name?

-Ter

 

[Platypus]

I'm sorry- it's Toxicroak. I put that name up as filler because I wasn't sure what I was going to use. It doesn't mean anything, to my knowledge.

By the way, Toxicroak absorbs Waterfall with Dry Skin. In other words, it wouldn't do a thing.

 

[Pink Reaper]

he's Talking About Toxicroak...which, By The Way, Is not A Counter To My Kabutops.
Even with The Defense Evs, Croak Still Gets 2hko'd By Waterfall. I'm Faster, So No Counter...

fepic Ailure!!!!

Please Try Again Later...

2hko'd By Waterfall.

let's-a Go!

Against Absorpitops:

Berolenn W/liechi Berry
Adamant/dry Skin
255 Atk./ 255 Def.
+ Natural Gift
+ Thief
+ Dynamicpunch
+ Bullet Punch
Natural Gift Is Natural!

Berolenn W/liechi Berry
Adamant/dry Skin
255 Atk./ 255 Def.

dry Skin

Fassive Mail

 

[Platypus]

You quoted my counter with bad grammar. Shame on you for that.

I would counter my monster, but I don't know what does, other than, of course, a moderately strong Psychic-type.

 

[Pink Reaper]

How 'bout this?

Volbeat@Leftovers
Bold/Swarm
252Def/252SpAtk/4Hp
-Tail Glow
-Substitute
-Hp Fighting
-Shadow Ball

NO STAB OR PSYCHIC!

 

[Pika25]

by berolenn... that looks like 'breloom' to me, not toxicroak.

edit: or at least when I first saw 'berolenn' that it at first looked like breloom. Then I notice Dry Skin (and I think poison move) which immediately implies Toxicroak. I didn't notice that at first.

 

[0RLY]

I could tell instantly it was a Toxicroak. How? Name me another Pokemon that has access to Dry Skin. Parasect. But Parasect can't learn those attacks, so it HAS to be Toxicroak. Anyways, thanks, you guys gave me an idea!

 

[Pika25]

Just to remind you, the current poke to counter is:

Volbeat@Leftovers
Bold/Swarm
252Def/252SpAtk/4Hp
-Tail Glow
-Substitute
-Hp Fighting
-Shadow Ball

 

[IC3R]

HOLD ON!!!! HOLD ON!!!!

BACK IT UP!!!!​

First off: Dry Skin does not allow the absorption of Water attacks, it is merely a double-edged Rain Dish ability (it damages in Sunlight).
Second: Kabutops has yet to be countered.


May we continue where we left off, then?

Kabutops @ Salac Berry
Adamant / Battle Armor
EVs - 56 HP, 248 Att, 204 Spd
~Waterfall
~Stone Edge
~Brick Break
~Swords Dance

Just so you can see it clearly...


Counter away, friends...

EDIT: Oh yeah, that Volbeat is not a counter, either. OHKO Stone Edge lol =P

 

[Platypus]

Although I've never seen in-game proof, it is my belief that the ability Dry Skin causes Paras(ect)/Croagunk/Toxicroak the benefits of Rain Dish and Water Absorb, but reverses the effect with regard to Strong Sunlight and Fire-type attacks, respectively. In other words, it's a dually strong ability with heavy tradeoffs.

On a semi-related note, I'm curious as to how one can breed moves onto a Volbeat.

Against the space Western:

Sunflora w/Muscle Band
(+Atk -Speed)/Solar Power
255 Atk/150 Sp. Atk./105 Sp. Def.
+ Sunny Day
+ Solarbeam
+ Return
+ HP Electric
I am so glad that you eschewed Signal Beam.

 

[RedPeppers]

Dang it! I was working on a Leafeon to counter when I saw this!

 

[IC3R]

Although I've never seen in-game proof, it is my belief that the ability Dry Skin causes Paras(ect)/Croagunk/Toxicroak the benefits of Rain Dish and Water Absorb, but reverses the effect with regard to Strong Sunlight and Fire-type attacks, respectively. In other words, it's a dually strong ability with heavy tradeoffs.

My bad, but you are correct. If I had known that, I woulda slapped Aerial Ace on it instead of Brick Break

Sunflora w/Muscle Band
(+Atk -Speed)/Solar Power
255 Atk/150 Sp. Atk./105 Sp. Def.
+ Sunny Day
+ Solarbeam
+ Return
+ HP Electric
I am so glad that you eschewed Signal Beam.

Abomasnow @ Shell Bell
Adamant / Snow Warning
EVs - 252 Att, 128 Def, 128 SpDef
~Ice Shard
~Seed Bomb
~Brick Break
~Swords Dance

Yeah, I have a thing for Swords Dance...so sue me...

I'm 3HKO'd by SolarBeam when Sunny Day is up (because of Solar Power), and 3HKO'd by Return. Whereas I 2HKO you with Ice Shard, and have SD to back me up. Seed Bomb for strong STAB, and Brick Break for coverage.




What it do?

 

[Platypus]

It was idiotic of me to use the Muscle Band instead of a Silk Scarf or something.

I haven't the time to counter now, I think!

 

[Pink Reaper]

Abomasnow @ Shell Bell
Adamant / Snow Warning
EVs - 252 Att, 128 Def, 128 SpDef
~Ice Shard
~Seed Bomb
~Brick Break
~Swords Dance

Yeah, I have a thing for Swords Dance...so sue me...

I'm 3HKO'd by SolarBeam when Sunny Day is up (because of Solar Power), and 3HKO'd by Return. Whereas I 2HKO you with Ice Shard, and have SD to back me up. Seed Bomb for strong STAB, and Brick Break for coverage.



What it do?

Torkoal@Leftovers
Calm/White Smoke
252Hp/40SpAtk/212SpDef
-Amnesia
-Heat Wave
-Toxic
-Hp Ground

Beastly defense that resists both of your stab moves. Amnesia to improve the poor special defense. Toxic for non-steels, Heatwave for steels, HP ground as the best option against fires.

WHAT IT IS!

 

[sonofthesky]

Mismagius@Dark resist berry
Calm 252 spatk 252 spd 4 spdef
Psch up (Spelling)
HP ground
Toxix
Rest

Works?

 

[Platypus]

I must move with haste, I think!

Against Mismagius:

Wormadam (T) w/Salac Berry
(-HP +Sp. Atk.)/Anticipation
100 Atk./ 50 Def./ 100 Sp. Atk./ 50 Sp. Def./ 255 Speed
+ Shadow Ball
+ Iron Head
+ Skill Swap
+ HP Rock
After Skill Swap, I am immune to your assaults. Assuming that you use Psych Up first, I shouldn't take too much damage thereof.