The Old Counter Game

[IC3R]

Didn't we ban OUs?

Vs. the Yetiman:

Hitmonlee w/ Expert Belt
Adamant/ Reckless
192 Atk./ 252 Sp. Def./ 64 Speed
+ Blaze Kick
+ Bullet Punch
+ Hi Jump Kick
+ Double-Edge
A flaming kick is delivered at 4x the normal power, thus wrecking Yetiman like they wrecked Marth!

I'm glad they did, too...Kirby was scared of the tipper

vs. Hitmonlee:

Slowbro @ Leftovers
Impish / Own Tempo
EVs - 212 HP, 44 Att, 252 Def
~Earthquake
~Avalanche
~Curse
~Slack Off

I hate to do it, but it's the first thing I thought of. Curse and Slack Off help against Lee's massive Attack stat, and all of your moves (save D-Edge) are NVE--Bro's high Defense stat should help against D-Edge.



Oh, and Platypus: I don't think your Absol exactly counters my Empoleon. Aqua Jet would destroy Absol after an SD (whether in two or three hits, I don't know) and if you Me First it, you fail. Any more SDs, and Empoleon would one-shot a lot of things coming it's way.

@ 0Rly: It's a OHKO (read as: It's a One-Hit-KO)

So...yeah...any other comments?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

@ Slowking:

Starmie @ Leftovers
Modest/Natural Cure
252 Sp Atk/182 Spd/76 HP
~Thunderbolt
~Recover
~Ice Beam
~Surf

 

[IC3R]

@ Slowking: Slowbro lol

Starmie @ Leftovers
Modest/Natural Cure
252 Sp Atk/182 Spd/76 HP
~Thunderbolt
~Recover
~Ice Beam
~Surf

Lanturn @ Leftovers
Calm / Volt Absorb
EVs - 228 HP, 80 Def, 200 SpDef
~Thunderbolt
~Stockpile
~Toxic
~Aqua Ring

Leftovers + Aqua Ring + Stockpile = Insane recovery while raising my defenses. Toxic to slowly kill peoples, and Thunderbolt for all those Taunters out there.

W'ever...

 

[Platypus]

Against Lanturn:

Steelix w/ Leftovers
Calm/Sturdy
255 Atk./ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Ice Fang
+ Earthquake
+ Sandstorm
+ Dragon Pulse
Woo!

 

[IC3R]

Against Lanturn:

Steelix w/ Leftovers
Calm/Sturdy
255 Atk./ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Ice Fang
+ Earthquake
+ Sandstorm
+ Dragon Pulse
Woo!

I totally saw this sucker coming...

Moltres @ Leftovers
Calm / Pressure
EVs - 188 HP, 120 Def, 200 SpDef
~Air Slash
~Will-O-Wisp
~Toxic
~Roost

WoW you and spam Air Slash until you die. ******'s run in PH3AR!!!

 

[Platypus]

We banned Moltres too, did we not?

Anywho...

Bastiodon w/ Lum Berry
Adamant/ Sturdy
252 Sp. Atk./ 252 Sp. Def./ 4 HP
+ Ancientpower
+ HP Fighting
+ Flash Cannon
+ Metal Sound

Does not care about Will-O-Wisp too much. I don't think it even needs Metal Sound.

 

[RedPeppers]

What ever happened to not repeating pokes like crazy? There's been 2 of Moltres, Bastiodon, Hypno, and Houndoom all pretty recently.

 

[Kips]

We banned Moltres too, did we not?

Anywho...

Bastiodon w/ Lum Berry
Adamant/ Sturdy
252 Sp. Atk./ 252 Sp. Def./ 4 HP
+ Ancientpower
+ HP Fighting
+ Flash Cannon
+ Metal Sound

Does not care about Will-O-Wisp too much. I don't think it even needs Metal Sound.

Take this Mr. Copycat!

Hitmontop @ Leftovers
(+Attack, -Defense)
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP/152 Special Defense/100 Attack
-Triple Kick
-Hidden Power [Ice] (POWER=59)
-Bullet Punch
-Toxic
Comes in on anything well and then Toxics as you Metal Sound to try and break my great base special defense. Triple Kick becomes amazing with Technician and Hidden Power [Ice] gets the boost from Technician while losing me only ONE IV instead of three or four for having it at 60 Power. Bullet Punch is there just in case to whip people down.

-50% Defense from Toxic+Triple Kick=Ouch.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Bastidon is a Steel type >_>

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That's why Top has Triple Kick...

@Top:

Charizard @ Leftovers
Modest/Blaze
252 Sp Atk/252 Spd/6 HP
~Flamethrower
~Air Slash
~HP [Grass]
~Roost

 

[IC3R]

That's why Top has Triple Kick...

@Top:

Charizard @ Leftovers
Modest/Blaze
252 Sp Atk/252 Spd/6 HP
~Flamethrower
~Air Slash
~HP [Grass]
~Roost

Ninetales @ Wide Lens
Timid / Flash Fire
EVs - 108 HP, 252 SpAt, 148 Spd
~Heat Wave
~Hidden Power [Electric]
~Nasty Plot
~Hypnosis

Outspeeds by 1 point (lulz); Hypnosis, Nasty Plot, Zap (sort of).

Pretty simple...

 

[Pink Reaper]

That's why Top has Triple Kick...

Actually, that was more about his whole "Toxic during Metal Sound" comment.

 

[Platypus]

Eh, whatevz.

Against Ninetales:

Vigoroth w/ Focus Sash
Brave/Vital Spirit
191 HP/ 119 Atk./ 200 Speed
+ Encore
+ Focus Blast
+ Curse
+ Shadow Claw
Applause!

 

[IC3R]

Umm...excuse me, but...

Eh, whatevz.

Against Ninetales:

Vigoroth w/ Focus Sash
Brave/Vital Spirit
191 HP/ 119 Atk./ 200 Speed
+ Encore
+ Focus Blast
+ Curse
+ Shadow Claw
Applause!

Would that ^^^ actually be a counter? That sucker only has Base 55 SpDef; what if I just went ahead and used Heat Wave? As long as the Wave does more than 50% damage, Viggy wouldn't survive long enough to Encore me--or attack in general due to its lesser Speed--leaving me free to do whatever when the next Poke comes in...

Wii4Mii99

2) Remember what a counter is: A Pokemon that can safely switch into any of the attacks from the Pokemon it wants to counter and can immediately pose a threat to the Pokemon it wants to counter or make the Pokemon it wants to counter switch-out while not being threatened in any way by the Pokemon it wants to counter.

Like I'd switch out ...And that Vigoroth doesn't immediately pose a threat either.
If it was a Slaking, that would be a different story--cause them suckers are scary

I did a calc, and Heat Wave by itself will do about 195-230 damage (rough estimate). Vigoroth has about 348 HP at Level 100 with perfect IVs and 191 HP EVs. Even if I got minimum damage twice, you'd still get KO'd. So, no countering for you...Sorry



EDIT: I had a counter, but it appears it is not needed.

EDIT 2: @ Reaper: Lovin' the sig :bigthumbu
KIRBY RULEZ!!!!!!!!

 

[Zook]

Ninetales @ Wide Lens
Timid / Flash Fire
EVs - 108 HP, 252 SpAt, 148 Spd
~Heat Wave
~Hidden Power [Electric]
~Nasty Plot
~Hypnosis

Outspeeds by 1 point (lulz); Hypnosis, Nasty Plot, Zap (sort of).

Pretty simple...

Flygon @ Life Orb
Naive / Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/6 SpDef
-Earthquake
-Quick Attack
-Dragon Claw
-Draco Meteor

Must I explain?

Oh, and he does a bit of damage to the next guy, too. (Quick Attack!)

 

[IC3R]

Flygon @ Life Orb
Naive / Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/6 SpDef
-Earthquake
-Quick Attack
-Dragon Claw
-Draco Meteor

Must I explain?

Oh, and he does a bit of damage to the next guy, too. (Quick Attack!)

I know it's OU, but I wanted to try this out...

Gyarados @ Wacan Berry
Adamant / Intimidate
EVs - 148 HP, 100 Att, 168 Def, 92 Spd
~Waterfall
~Earthquake
~Dragon Dance
~Flail

DragonFlailing--what a fun idea!

I don't believe anything in the game can resist all three of my attacks (of course, if anything does, it will probably be the counter >_>). Laughs at your Intimidated state, and makes off with a few DDs only to sweep with the usual QuakeFall, and Flail for low-health pwnage. And while most priority moves would be the end of a sweeper like this, your Quick Attack is no big deal--as it only does about 40 damage, even with Life Orb.

Pwnt...

 

[Pink Reaper]

@Gyara

Uxie@Leftovers
Bold/Levitate
252Hp/252Def/4SpAtk
-Yawn
-Protect
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic

Dont forget IC3R, the rules say you would be causing a switch, so you'd probably only get one DD off >.>

Even with one DD Waterfall(since you haven't taken enough damage to need flail yet >_>) cant even 3HKO Uxie with Leftovers accounted. Yawn+Protect then just TBolt you while you snooze. Technically this could NOT work if you get lucky and wake up but meh.

PWNT

 

[IC3R]

@Gyara

Uxie@Leftovers
Bold/Levitate
252Hp/252Def/4SpAtk
-Yawn
-Protect
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic

Dont forget IC3R, the rules say you would be causing a switch, so you'd probably only get one DD off >.>

Even with one DD Waterfall (since you haven't taken enough damage to need flail yet >_>) cant even 3HKO Uxie with Leftovers accounted. Yawn+Protect then just TBolt you while you snooze. Technically this could NOT work if you get lucky and wake up but meh.

PWNT

Of course...don't forget about the Wacan Berry (weakens T-bolt). And if you Yawn the first turn, that's another DD, and Protecting will give me a third DD. So if I do happen to wake up early, Uxie will have to deal with a high-powered STAB Waterfall (and two of them will KO you, even with your Lefties). Did some calcs, and chances are that T-bolt will 3HKO me, leaving me with minimal HP after T-bolt #2--Say hello to OHKO SuperFlail.

So really, this counter does depend on luck...What do we do about this?

 

[Pink Reaper]

Of course...don't forget about the Wacan Berry (weakens T-bolt). And if you Yawn the first turn, that's another DD, and Protecting will give me a third DD. So if I do happen to wake up early, Uxie will have to deal with a high-powered STAB Waterfall (and two of them will KO you, even with your Lefties). Did some calcs, and chances are that T-bolt will 3HKO me, leaving me with minimal HP after T-bolt #2--Say hello to OHKO SuperFlail.

So really, this counter does depend on luck...What do we do about this?

Well, lets just assume that mine counters yours just because you broke the rules anyways by using OU. And besides, if we dont I dont think ANYTHING can counter yours without jumping into OU/Ubers.

 

[Platypus]

Maybe a Golduck with Psych Up and Zen Headbutt could.

Also, about the Vigoroth above...I probably should have used more Speed instead of just funneling the rest into HP.

Anyways, versus Uxie:

Vigoroth w/ Lum Berry
Careful/Mold Breaker
255 Sp. Def./ 255 Speed (just to be safe)
+ Feint
+ Superpower
+ Rock Slide
+ Quick Attack

Gets Yawnified. Feints, heals, hurts.

 

[IC3R]

Well, lets just assume that mine counters yours just because you broke the rules anyways by using OU. And besides, if we dont I dont think ANYTHING can counter yours without jumping into OU/Ubers.

Wait, when'd this happen?! You guys were being serious?!

Also, about the Vigoroth above...I probably should have used more Speed instead of just funneling the rest into HP. Maybe...

Anyways, versus Uxie:

Vigoroth w/ Lum Berry
Careful/Mold Breaker <-- Doesn't get Mold Breaker
255 Sp. Def./ 255 Speed (just to be safe)
+ Feint
+ Superpower
+ Rock Slide
+ Quick Attack

Gets Yawnified. Feints, heals, hurts.

Toxicroak @ Salac Berry
Jolly / Anticipation
EVs - 60 HP, 252 Att, 196 Spd
~Brick Break
~Sucker Punch
~Bullet Punch
~Swords Dance

Takes 65> damage from any of your attacks. SD to get my Att stat to skyrocket, and Brick Break for a finisher; Sucker Punch for any Ghost or Psychic brave enough to take a Brick Break.; Bullet Punch for some more priority, and so some random speed-statuser doesn't **** me...

And in case no one else knows:
OU POKEMON ARE NOW BANNED!!!! I guess >__>

 

[Pink Reaper]

Maybe a Golduck with Psych Up and Zen Headbutt could.

Also, about the Vigoroth above...I probably should have used more Speed instead of just funneling the rest into HP.

Anyways, versus Uxie:

Vigoroth w/ Lum Berry
Careful/Mold Breaker
255 Sp. Def./ 255 Speed (just to be safe)
+ Feint
+ Superpower
+ Rock Slide
+ Quick Attack

Gets Yawnified. Feints, heals, hurts.

This isn't nearly a counter.

Vigoroth gets Vital Spirit not mold breaker, so I wouldn't be Yawning you
and your not nearly powerful enough to need protect, Rock Slide only does ~9% damage max so you wouldn't even be getting a feint in. Uxie on the other hand does between 26-31% with Psychic. You cant beat Uxie with this.

 

[shadydentist]

@Gyara

Uxie@Leftovers
Bold/Levitate
252Hp/252Def/4SpAtk
-Yawn
-Protect
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic

@uxie


Houndoom @ leftovers
Modest/flash fire
252 sp. atk, 252 HP HP,6 spd
Rest
Sleep Talk
Dark Pulse
Flamethrower

Not that I'd ever use this in a real match.

edit: fixed.

 

[Pink Reaper]

252 attack on a set with no physical moves?

@Houndoom(I'll assume you meant SpAtk)

Azumarill@Life Orb
240HP/252atk/8Def/8SpDef
Adamant/Huge Power
Aqua Jet
Return
Waterfall
Brick Break

I don't think I need to explain.

 

[Platypus]

If you say that you're going to do a specific action, that's what happens, even on the switch, is it not?

Also, I meant to use Pinsir. My bad.

Vs. Azumarill:
Politoed w/Metronome
Hasty/ Water Absorb
255 Sp. Atk./ 255 Speed
+ HP Electric
+ Rain Dance
+ Mud Bomb
+ Surf
Your implied Aqua Jet has no effect. The Toed HPs with superior speed. I am almost certain that this will work.

 

[IC3R]

Toxicroak @ Salac Berry
Jolly / Anticipation
EVs - 60 HP, 252 Att, 196 Spd
~Brick Break
~Sucker Punch
~Bullet Punch
~Swords Dance

Okay, what the heck happened to Croak? We didn't go back onto Platypus' Absol getting ***** by my Empo's SD Aqua Jet, so why go back to Uxie?!?!

Anyway, Toed doesn't counter Azumarill...

Azumarill's Brick Break and Return attacks are 2HKOs on Toed (and that's without the LO boost!), while your HP Electric is a 3HKO. Poor guy doesn't stand a chance...

@ Azu

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Impish / Water Absorb
EVs - 212 HP, 44 Att, 252 Def
~Earthquake
~Stone Edge
~Curse
~Rest

Takes less than 30% damage from Return, and that number shrinks as I Curse and buff my Defense, with Lefties healing me constantly. Rests when necessary to fully heal, as you continue to kill yourself with the Life Orb effect. Finishes with EdgeQuake for massive coverage (although not quite perfect).

 

[Pink Reaper]

We skipped over your Toxicroak because the Pokemon you were countering was disqualified for not being a counter to my Uxie.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So Quaggy is the current counter right?

@Quaggy

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Modest/Rain Dish
252 Sp Atk/212 Def/46 HP
~Rain Dance
~Energy Ball
~Surf
~Leech Seed

This rain effect is going to Colo's demise, but whatever.

(1800th post)

-Ter

 

[IC3R]

So Quaggy is the current counter right?

@Quaggy

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Modest/Rain Dish
252 Sp Atk/212 Def/46 HP
~Rain Dance
~Energy Ball
~Surf
~Leech Seed

This rain effect is going to Colo's demise, but whatever.

(1800th post)

-Ter

*rolls eyes*

Tentacruel @ Salac Berry
Adamant / Liquid Ooze
EVs - 204 HP, 108 Att, 196 SpDef
~Waterfall
~Poison Jab
~Swords Dance
~Mirror Coat

lol's at your Leech Seed, as you die in the process. SDs to set up, and Mirror Coats your two attacks right back at you. Waterfall and Poison Jab for powerful STAB attacks.


@ Reaper: If that's the case, then we need to go all the way back to my Empoleon, cause that Absol does not counter me at all...

Just sayin'...

 

[Platypus]

More Tentacruel? I am sick of using the same monsters over and over. Maybe that's why I'm epically failing on every counter.

Jumpluff w/ Leftovers
Hasty/ Chlorophyll
255 Atk./ 255 Speed
+ Secret Power
+ Encore
+ Bounce
+ HP Fire

Encore gets you up in Attack uselessly.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So am I...

@Pluff

Cloyster @
Adamant/Shell Armor
252 Atk/252 Sp Def/6 HP
~Avalanche
~Poison Jab
~Return
~Hail
Your speed is your fall. Hail is up.

-Ter

 

[IC3R]

So am I...

I didn't feel like using Venusaur (which was my initial choice,
but it doesn't have a STAB physical Poison move >_>)

@Pluff

Cloyster @ ???
Adamant/Shell Armor
252 Atk/252 Sp Def/6 HP
~Avalanche
~Poison Jab
~Return
~Hail
Your speed is your fall. Hail is up.

-Ter

Glaceon @ Leftovers
Calm / Snow Cloak
EVs - 196 HP, 136 Def, 24 SpAt, 152 SpDf
~Ice Beam
~HP [Elec]
~Fake Tears
~Wish

This sucker can take a lot of punishment, while dishing its own stuff out. Snow Cloak protection from Hail; PseudoBoltBeam + Fake Tears + your low SpDf + my high SpAt = Dead Cloyster.

 

[Platypus]

So am I...

@Pluff

Cloyster @
Adamant/Shell Armor
252 Atk/252 Sp Def/6 HP
~Avalanche
~Poison Jab
~Return
~Hail
Your speed is your fall. Hail is up.

-Ter

If Hail is up, that means that you didn't kill Jumpluff instantly with Avalanche- there would be no time for it. If you started with Hail, Jumpluff would have the capacity to Encore it and, with Leftovers at its side, beat you up with HP Fire or Secret Power.

But I digress.

Vs. Glaceon:

Kecleon w/ Leftovers
Adamant/ Color Change
255 HP/ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Substitute
+ Skill Swap
+ Shadow Claw
+ Brick Break

I don't even know if Kecleon is handy for anything, especially this, but I might as well try. A combination of his various attacks exposes the ice chihuahua to Hail for a while and increases Kecleon's evasive ability. Shadow Cyclone!

 

[Pink Reaper]

Vs Kecleon

Scyther@Leftovers
Jolly/Technician
252Atk/252spe/4hp
-Swords Dance
-Double Hit
-Aeriel Ace
-Brick Break

Shadow Claw does 25% max so I have more than enough time for a SD or two. Double hit takes down your Sub and hits you.

 

[Platypus]

Vs. Scyther:
Furret w/ Choice Scarf (The Speed one, right?)
Hasty/ Keen Eye
255 Sp. Atk./ 255 Speed
+ Trick
+ Thunder
+ Surf
+ Hyper Beam
Trick gets Scyther stuck on Swords Dance, leaving Furret free to beat it up. I'm just asking for a Choice exchange or a Toxic Orb...

 

[RedPeppers]

Vs. Scyther:
Furret w/ Choice Scarf (The Speed one, right?)
Hasty/ Keen Eye
255 Sp. Atk./ 255 Speed
+ Trick
+ Thunder
+ Surf
+ Hyper Beam
Trick gets Scyther stuck on Swords Dance, leaving Furret free to beat it up. I'm just asking for a Choice exchange or a Toxic Orb...

Okay if you wanna lock into Trick......

Gallade @ Toxic Orb
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
Close Combat
T-Wave
Fling
T-Bolt


Here's the fun part, since he outspeeds me. If I fling his choice scarf I don't have to deal with the effects anymore correct? I can then just Close Comat for the win.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Milotic @ Flame Orb
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 6 Sp. Atk
Hypnosis
Recover
Mirror Coat
Surf

I can't be Toxic or Twaved, I'll eat up Close Combats due to Marvel Scale, and I can Mirror Coat your T-Bolt.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Milotic @ Flame Orb
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 6 Sp. Atk
Hypnosis
Recover
Mirror Coat
Surf

I can't be Toxic or Twaved, I'll eat up Close Combats due to Marvel Scale, and I can Mirror Coat your T-Bolt.

NO OU's -__-

Bibarel@Leftovers
Impish/Simple
208hp/216def/84spe
Taunt
Super Fang
Amnesia
Return

I outspeed you by one point then Taunt you, ruining both your means of statusing me and recovering. Amnesia skyrockets my Special Defense and Hyper fang rips through your Hp. Return for when your at low HP(not that flame orb wouldn't be killing you anyways >_>)

 

[0RLY]

@ Bibarel: I think you meant Super Fang...

Froslass @ Leftovers
Modest/Snow Cloak
252sp.atk/252spe/6hp
-Taunt
-HP (Fight)
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball

Taunt to make you use your useless normal attacks. Substitute to defend against the next poke. Ghost/Fight for unresisted coverage. Bring it on, special walls.

 

[Pink Reaper]

@Froslass

Khangaskan@Silk Scarf
Adamant/Scrappy
200Hp/252SpDef/56atk
Return
Double Hit
EQ
Hammer Arm

Im actually not sure if this will work or not but im pretty sure that it will. Feel free to correct me if im wrong >_>