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So what you're saying is this:
They didn't know the name of Roy.
Really? I had no idea. Well then, I suppose people can be vague, I just can't believe whoever found out about Greninja didn't at least say "Frog Pokemon", or "Ninja Pokemon".
The thing is, it might not have been Greninja he found. It could've been a placeholder character that actually said "Pokemon from X and Y" and after the game's release, decided to Greninja for whatever reason.
The only problem with the idea about "when" the information came out is the second leak implies that he has current information. That's what I find really sketchy about it moreso than potentially just having outdated information.
I see what you mean...
Er, no. It really doesn't. The thing is, Sal announced the second leak later on, but that has nothing to do when he got the information period. I think this is a case where people is actually taking the time of the second leak out of context to what information he actually had and when he got it. They don't really correlate at all.
Agreed.
I'm going to take this to mean that Ivysaur is still inActually, people said Little Mac was deconfirmed because of the boxing ring and villager's punchThen Toon Link was deconfirmed
Sheik was too!
Yoshi was about to be cut
And Ike was going to be replaced by Chrom
So... Why should we think Wonder Red, Ridley, Balloon-Fighter, Mewtwo and many others are "deconfirmed"? Except Sakurai says it directly (laughs), such as what he did with Waluigi, Dark Samus and Skull Kid, I think we cannot say "this guy is deconfirmed".
For #1: The problem behind that logic is, again, "Pac-Man and Mii are still coming." Everything else would work out fine, but this line throws it all off. This line implies that the leaker has current information, or at least updated information. That's what throws a red flag in my eyes.
No, that simply implies that the leaker simply said that based on his information Pac-Man and Mii are still coming eventually, if his information was updated he'd likely have given a specific time for them to be shown, like he initially did, which of course turned out to be false. Doesn't necessarily have anything to do with when he got the information.
Thing is, Sal never said "will show up." His post said exactly this: "My unlikely predictions:" Never in his post did he say all those characters would show up.
They were suggested as an Assist Trophy, not as a playable character. Not the same thing and hardly makes them any more predictable.Funny how someone saw potential in the Chorus Kids (as an Assist Trophy) long before anyone know about the leak's existence (the art's date is May 28, 2013, btw). They weren't as unpredictable as Wii Fit Trainer, it seems.
Art by VicGurg
Yes it does. One person mentioning the Chorus Men means many people were mentioning the Chorus Men.
So does one person (Sal) "guessing" Wii Fit Trainer mean that there were a ton of people suggesting Wii Fit Trainer. Maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen many people suggest her. Can you please find these "many" people.
That wasn't his point. It means that if somebody else guessed Wii Fit Trainer besides Sal's Leaker(bare with me, I'm not saying WFT was a guess by the leaker in this case. Could be either), then others could too. Being hard to guess =/= Not impossible to guess.
Oh I forgot.
BKupa was just joking around. He's actually mocking SmashChu's usage of the argument.
No, Chorus Men was not guessed as playable. He was suggested as an AT, which isn't the same thing.
Yes, Yes, let's google a Pokemon no one knew existed at the time.(/s)I was just thinking: Today's predictions, chances, and such are based off what could be a lucky guess.
I'm having a hard time believing this leak to be true. Don't misrepresent me, I'd love for all the characters 'leaked' to get in, but there's just a few things that stick out to me.
1. The Original Prediction.
While some of it has a substance to it (Megaman, Little Mac, Mii) the rest were never likely. Villager was more or less disconfirmed by Sakurai, and no one saw WFT coming. So, if he's right so far, why didn't he get the 'These characters will be shown at E3' right?
Theory A: He (the leaker) saw the original E3 trailer, then leaked the newcomers. Sakurai found out, then changed the trailer
Impossible. The trailer alone would have taken a while to make, but to edit out all of the leaked newcomers and to produce a streamlined trailer in a few hours? That's a little hard to swallow.
Theory B: Another person got news of the newcomers to be shown at E3, then leaked them to Sal.
If this is true, why didn't Sal say 'may show up', instead of 'will show up'? That's all I got, as this theory could be possible.
2. "Pokemon from X and Y"
So, I'm going to pretend I'm the leaker. I've seen the Pokemon newcomer, but I don't know it's name. So, seeing the tongue, webbed feet, and blue coloring, I assume it's a frog pokemon from X and Y.
I search "Frog Pokemon" into google, and here's what I get.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Greninja_(Pokémon)
Would it really be that hard to do this? That was 5 minutes of research, if the leaker took hours, he could have found out that Greninja is the most popular starter of X and Y. With the leaker recognizing the Chorus Kids, characters that only appeared in TWO minigames in Rhythm Heaven, I assume that he did some research.
That's just two of a few other parts I could talk about. The entire thing could still be true, but it just looks a tad bit sketchy...
But in the case it is true, I'd love to play as my Mii.
Like I said, we have NO idea what so ever on what the exact words of the leak is.
Not different enough to matter. That's playing semantics at this point.
That kinda sucks because Chorus Men seem like a character they would keep hidden till launch. And wouldn't a Mii/Pac-Man/etc. disconfirm debunk the leak also?
Technically, any character being disconfirmed as a fighter can too.
Are we forgetting about Rosalina? How could the leaker have missed her?
This is honestly the only post that ever needed to be said. Until E3 or Sal says something else about it there is nothing more we can say other than this.
I imagine that, the leaker had a list of potential characters to be shown off at E3.
You and I both know that if anyone else gets deconfirmed on that list, people are going to wave it off as 'outdated news' and 'the dev floor is an ever-changing landscape, so something changed!'. Chorus Men is the undisputed linchpin in the leak. No-one can say a thing if they get deconfirmed. Nothing else comes close.Also, let's remember Chorus Men is also a lucky guess that some other people made. Because clearly if anyone had knowledge before hand they could have predicted them. /s
Agreed, hell, I'll even say the leak is fake if Pac-Man isn't at E3.
Its been brought up before. People were saying things like, "Well she was in between the leaks, and of course that means she's exempt from the discussion!" (Well not really, but something like that.)
Thank you.
As long as anyone's revealed, we will.
This doesn't make sense.
This. I'll believe Sal Romano if Chorus Men are confirmed, but if literally any character in the leak is debunked, the whole leak is dead (though lack of Pac-Man or Mii would kill the entire thing; anything else would just kill the second half).
I was just thinking: Today's predictions, chances, and such are based off what could be a lucky guess.
I'm having a hard time believing this leak to be true. Don't misrepresent me, I'd love for all the characters 'leaked' to get in, but there's just a few things that stick out to me.
1. The Original Prediction.
While some of it has a substance to it (Megaman, Little Mac, Mii) the rest were never likely. Villager was more or less disconfirmed by Sakurai, and no one saw WFT coming. So, if he's right so far, why didn't he get the 'These characters will be shown at E3' right?
Theory A: He (the leaker) saw the original E3 trailer, then leaked the newcomers. Sakurai found out, then changed the trailer
Impossible. The trailer alone would have taken a while to make, but to edit out all of the leaked newcomers and to produce a streamlined trailer in a few hours? That's a little hard to swallow.
Theory B: Another person got news of the newcomers to be shown at E3, then leaked them to Sal.
If this is true, why didn't Sal say 'may show up', instead of 'will show up'? That's all I got, as this theory could be possible.
2. "Pokemon from X and Y"
So, I'm going to pretend I'm the leaker. I've seen the Pokemon newcomer, but I don't know it's name. So, seeing the tongue, webbed feet, and blue coloring, I assume it's a frog pokemon from X and Y.
I search "Frog Pokemon" into google, and here's what I get.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Greninja_(Pokémon)
Would it really be that hard to do this? That was 5 minutes of research, if the leaker took hours, he could have found out that Greninja is the most popular starter of X and Y. With the leaker recognizing the Chorus Kids, characters that only appeared in TWO minigames in Rhythm Heaven, I assume that he did some research.
That's just two of a few other parts I could talk about. The entire thing could still be true, but it just looks a tad bit sketchy...
But in the case it is true, I'd love to play as my Mii.
That would be a good and plausible explanation. If it wasn't for the fact that its ridiculous to think that someone was close enough to Sakurai that was so willing to lose his job he leaked a list of characters planned for the game. That's the stupidest thing I ever heard, unless Sakurai himself leaked it (which is also ridiculous to suggest).
