The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[ChunkyBeef]

Were you seriously a person who wasn't thinking Little Mac and Punch Out the moment you saw a boxing ring in Smash Bros?

Let me fix it:

If a Rhythm Heaven stage shows up with Marshall and/or the Chorus Kids incorporated into the stage, we can count the leak debunked.

 

[Bravetriforcer]

Let me fix it:

If a Rhythm Heaven stage shows up with Marshall and/or the Chorus Kids incorporated into the stage, we can count the leak debunked.

That I would accept. Tom Nooking is more definitive than Little Maccing.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Were you seriously a person who wasn't thinking Little Mac and Punch Out the moment you saw a boxing ring in Smash Bros?

Yes, I was. I did not seriously think it was from Punch Out and there was absolutely no reason for me to. All I saw was a generic SSB Universe Boxing Ring and nothing more. I even thought it might've been effectively the new Final Destination.

It was in absolutely no way obvious until we saw the proper PO skin that proved it had anything to do with that series. Till then, definitely looked like a new SSB Universe course to me.(and there was no way to even properly label it in the Wiki either. In fact, once we learned of the two skins, we labeled it both universes. Then we learned PO was the true default universe and removed the SSB Symbol).

Also, for the record, Palutena's Temple doesn't mean anything for Palutena. She was likely anyway. Arena Ferox means nothing for Chrom. He's also likely too. Courses don't mean jack for characters, as Brawl proved(not just Smashville, but Pictochat and Hanenbow as well). Even if it's from a Universe(Arena Ferox was the first one directly from a Universe we could easily tell, not one labeled SSB first), I don't expect a new playable character from that Universe by default. That's just silly.

In addition, I did think Little Mac would join the fray. And it had jack to do with a SSB-looking Boxing Ring. It's more because he was an easy contender I could see. Nothing more.

 

[QuickRat]

Actually, people said Little Mac was deconfirmed because of the boxing ring and villager's punch Then Toon Link was deconfirmed Sheik was too! Yoshi was about to be cut And Ike was going to be replaced by Chrom

So... Why should we think Wonder Red, Ridley, Balloon-Fighter, Mewtwo and many others are "deconfirmed"? Except Sakurai says it directly (laughs), such as what he did with Waluigi, Dark Samus and Skull Kid, I think we cannot say "this guy is deconfirmed".

 

[Deleted member]

Was I the only one who thought that the new character was Noivern while watching the direct? Greninja was freaking upside-down like a bat too, when he's charging the water shuriken.

 

[Sebagomez]

Let's see if it makes sense

Sora without the Keyblade

Sora with black hair and without the Keyblade

The most important secondary character of Kid Icarus

The famous Avatars

TOGETHER NOW!

Some sense has...
And without newcomers the final roster would look like this

Make sense or no?

 

[Deleted member]

^ I think it needs one more character + random slot, lucas fits the bill.

 

[Shroob]

Yeah, throw in Lucas + the random slot and the roster would not only be even, but it'd be best case scenario regarding cuts.

Random box gets no respect I tells ya.

 

[papagenos]

Actually, people said Little Mac was deconfirmed because of the boxing ring and villager's punch Then Toon Link was deconfirmed Sheik was too! Yoshi was about to be cut And Ike was going to be replaced by Chrom

So... Why should we think Wonder Red, Ridley, Balloon-Fighter, Mewtwo and many others are "deconfirmed"? Except Sakurai says it directly (laughs), such as what he did with Waluigi, Dark Samus and Skull Kid, I think we cannot say "this guy is deconfirmed".

thank you for mentioning balloon fighter!

i think wonder red IS deconfirmed from the trophy, but balloon-fighter is as heavily hinted at as little mac and has been brushed off. i'm not saying i expect him but if he showed up i wont be surprised at all he's still in my personal top ten most likely newcomers list.

Let's see if it makes sense

Sora without the Keyblade

Sora with black hair and without the Keyblade

The most important secondary character of Kid Icarus

The famous Avatars

TOGETHER NOW!

Some sense has...
And without newcomers the final roster would look like this

Make sense or no?

yeah add lucas and a random button and that's what im expecting... well my realistic roster debate right now is really a fight for basically a single spot in either a 48 or 49 character roster...the fights between either snake returning, mewtwo getting in or sceptile OR only having 5 pokemon reps, if ridley is in or not, or if some OTHER character is in (balloon fighter or ghirahim for example).

basically if snakes cut i think his "spot" will get taken by mewtwo or sceptile or ridley or "other"...

also if lucas or wolf or someone is cut then there will be yet another newcomer (or whatever we are calling mewtwo) added to the roster... but beyond that i dont think there will be a bunch of unknown newcomers or lots of brawl cuts or something, if we are being realistic and i think believing the sal leak IS being realistic then we are down to debating that small amount of wiggle room between most likely snake/mewtwo/ridley fighting for that final spot or 2.

your roster does however fit the rosalinax "leak" about 4 cuts 48 characters so it could also be the case, its really a matter of 48-50 spots mattering if you have a random button or not and if you cut snake/lucas/wolf/etc... +sals leak +MAYBE mewtwo/ridley/etc... its going to be something close to this

 

[Deleted member]

papagenos, I am going to ask you to stop talking about the RosalinaX leak here. Please read this as to why it's probably fake.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Let's see if it makes sense

Sora without the Keyblade

Sora with black hair and without the Keyblade

The most important secondary character of Kid Icarus

The famous Avatars

TOGETHER NOW!

Some sense has...
And without newcomers the final roster would look like this

Make sense or no?

Where is Lucas

 

[Noiblade]

Gematsu Leak confirmed.

But seriously, I think our final Roster is going to be, Everyone from Brawl returning(except Snake)+Newcomers.

 

[papagenos]

papagenos, I am going to ask you to stop talking about the RosalinaX leak here. Please read this as to why it's probably fake.

sure thing, i dont really believe the rosalina x leak myself anyway but, although vague and PROBABLY fake, admittedly if we end up with 48 and 4 cuts theres no way to know if RosalinaX was real or not. But this is the Sal leak thread so i'll stick to that, i was really only pointing out that the proposed roster that was being shown also fit rosalina x and maybe thats why they were going for that.

again personally i dont believe rosalina x only sal, but in my book it isn't debunked and although it wont be able to be until we know the roster thats still a "live leak" in my eyes.

regardless of rosalina x i still say we are dealing with 48-50 spots and so there is only a spot or 2 left for a REALISTIC roster to hold brawl vets + sals leaked characters and those final spots are being fought over by most likely either: snake returning, mewtwo returning, ridley, some "other" highly likely character... this has nothing to do with rosalina x just the fact that i cant imagine there being over 50 chaarcters and more then a very few newcomers sals leaker didnt know about at this point.

Gematsu Leak confirmed.

But seriously, I think our final Roster is going to be, Everyone from Brawl returning(except Snake)+Newcomers.

lol i said basically the same thing on another thread haha

 

[QuickRat]

thank you for mentioning balloon fighter!

i think wonder red IS deconfirmed from the trophy, but balloon-fighter is as heavily hinted at as little mac and has been brushed off. i'm not saying i expect him but if he showed up i wont be surprised at all he's still in my personal top ten most likely newcomers list.

Well... the reasons of "deconfirmation" for those characters are:

1) Villager's recovery move
2) Stage with Balloon-Fight symbol
3) Wonder Red's trophy

My opinion is:

1) Same as Little Mac's deconfirmation
2) Then Wario is deconfirmed too...
3) Every single playable character has a trophy

So, if next week they announce Balloon-Fighter and Wonder Red I won't say "OH, GOD, WHAT'S GOING ON!?". I'll be laughing cruelly instead.

 

[SomewhatMystia]

As much as I'd *love* to have Wonder Red, I think showing his trophy first (much like Tiki, Phosphora, so on so forth) means that he's out of the running for a newcomer. I mean, teasing Ridley is one thing, but straight-up showing a trophy without the character itself would just be weird.

Could be wrong (hell, I hope to be wrong), but it's looking unlikely. Balloon Fighter might make it in, though, which would be pretty neat.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

If this leak is true, and the newcomers it leaks are the only newcomers left for the roster, I'll be extremely disappointed. None of the characters in the leak are characters I want really. Little Mac and Villager are the only newcomers I'm really hyped for. The others are good too, but I don't have the same passion for them.

 

[QuickRat]

As much as I'd *love* to have Wonder Red, I think showing his trophy first (much like Tiki, Phosphora, so on so forth) means that he's out of the running for a newcomer. I mean, teasing Ridley is one thing, but straight-up showing a trophy without the character itself would just be weird.

Could be wrong (hell, I hope to be wrong), but it's looking unlikely. Balloon Fighter might make it in, though, which would be pretty neat.

It's just a trophy. If he puts Ness' trophy tomorrow, shall I think he's deconfirmed? What I'll think is Sakurai is trolling us... again...

 

[Shroob]

It's just a trophy. If he puts Ness' trophy tomorrow, shall I think he's deconfirmed? What I'll think is Sakurai is trolling us... again...

Sakurai has never shown us a character's trophy before revealing them, and I have a feeling that it'll be the same case in this game too. Sakurai likes to tease us, sure, but he's never hidden things like a character in plain sight.

 

[domokl]

It's just a trophy. If he puts Ness' trophy tomorrow, shall I think he's deconfirmed? What I'll think is Sakurai is trolling us... again...

Fat mac confirmed for smash4!

 

[Thirdkoopa]

It's just a trophy. If he puts Ness' trophy tomorrow, shall I think he's deconfirmed? What I'll think is Sakurai is trolling us... again...

somehow i doubt that

there's more of a chance that the next two days of updates will be nothing

 

[QuickRat]

Sakurai has never shown us a character's trophy before revealing them, and I have a feeling that it'll be the same case in this game too. Sakurai likes to tease us, sure, but he's never hidden things like a character in plain sight.

So, as he never did, he never can do it for the first time? Not a good arguement And, well, he showed Toon Link in plain sight so everybody thought he was deconfirmed... and then Sakurai owned us all. So, why couldn't be Wonder Red the same thing? I'm not saying "Wonder Red is in Smash", I just thing his deconfirmation is based on poor arguements. Like Lip's one.

Fat mac confirmed for smash4!

It's a different situation and you know that

somehow i doubt that

there's more of a chance that the next two days of updates will be nothing

I said tomorrow as I could say any date in the world

 

[Khoru]

Like Lip's one.

lip being playable while having lip's stick as an item is comparable to the master sword or falchion being items. just think about that.

 

[QuickRat]

lip being playable while having lip's stick as an item is comparable to the master sword or falchion being items. just think about that.

Or screw attack being an item while Samus' recovery move is screw attack. What I mean is everything is possible until Sakurai says clearly it's not, such as he did with Waluigi, Skull Kid and some others. He trolled with Little Mac, he trolled with Toon Link, he trolled with Yoshi... Why wouldn't he be tralling us with other "deconfirmed"?

 

[SomewhatMystia]

he trolled with Yoshi...

He did? I can't think of anything about Yoshi until we actually saw him in the Direct.

 

[Shroob]

Or screw attack being an item while Samus' recovery move is screw attack. What I mean is everything is possible until Sakurai says clearly it's not, such as he did with Waluigi, Skull Kid and some others. He trolled with Little Mac, he trolled with Toon Link, he trolled with Yoshi... Why wouldn't he be tralling us with other "deconfirmed"?

Spirit Tracks Link is not the same Toon Link as he is in Brawl. That's Wind Waker Toon Link. Spirit Tracks Link is a completely different incarnation of Link.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

He did? I can't think of anything about Yoshi until we actually saw him in the Direct.

I'd say he did

"So you know that shield change you wanted? He now stands upright!"

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

lip being playable while having lip's stick as an item is comparable to the master sword or falchion being items. just think about that.

Hey, isn't a Boomerang now an Item and still a Side B for both Links? Oh, right, it is.

That's a completely crappy way to disconfirm a character. The item's use has nothing to do with how the playable character could use the same looking weapon.

Spirit Tracks Link is not the same Toon Link as he is in Brawl. That's Wind Waker Toon Link. Spirit Tracks Link is a completely different incarnation of Link.

That's really not how it works in Smash. Toon Link is a design style. It's not actually WW Link, but just Link with his specific physical appearance. ST!Link is still Toon Link(they share the exact same design, save clothing differences only). This is pretty much the only reason why he can't show up on the stage's train when Toon Link is playable. He treats them as the same overall character(playing as the same character in multiplayer is really the only time you can see two of the same character in the game itself. You can also see clones of them in Single Player Mode, but that's pretty much it. Things like the Kirby Team, for instance).

 

[Deleted member]

Hey, isn't a Boomerang now an Item and still a Side B for both Links? Oh, right, it is.

That's a completely crappy way to disconfirm a character. The item's use has nothing to do with how the playable character could use the same looking weapon.

......Don't even know where to begin with this....
Are Link and Toon Link using boomerangs from a Boomerang Flower from Mario? No.
Is the boomerang item the Gale Boomerang from Twilight Princess? No.
Is it the Boomerang from Wind Waker? No.
Are Boomerangs in general Link's signature weapon? No. That would be the Master Sword.
Does it make sense to have the Mario version of a Boomerang as an item while the Zelda versions are used by the Links? Yes.
Is Lip's Stick from Panel de Pon? Yes.
Is Lip's Stick the signature weapon of Lip? DUH.
Does it make sense to have Lip's Stick as an item while Lip is playable and wields said stick in combat? No. It would be very bizarre to see Lip hold two of her own sticks at the same time.

Therefore, the attempted comparison falls flatter than the bottle of soda in my kitchen.
A better comparison would be the fact the Screw Attack is an item.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Completely irrelevant crap that missed the entire damn point.

Honestly, you need to stop nitpicking worthless details and pay attention to the point of the message.

The example never mattered.

If Lip uses her own Lip's Stick, it'll blatantly act differently from the Item. Just like the Boomerang Item acts differently from both of Link's Boomerangs(and that's exactly why all your nitpicking doesn't matter, because that pretty much kills exactly the point you were saying, not that it had anything relevant to what I said overall). The Screw Attack was never an Item Samus used directly(we just saw her use the move itself, but never did the item show up on her at the same time), which is why it wasn't a good example to use and why I didn't use it either. It ignores the whole point of the problem; If the Lip's Stick is an item, Lip apparently can't use it. Which is bull**** in every way. No, if she's playable, she'll use her Lip's Stick as something more than a poison creator at best. Even to the point that maybe only one or two of her moves might do that at best if lucky(or a moveset entirely unrelated to the poison flowers).

Also, her dual-wielding Lip's Sticks isn't weird in any possible way either. Not like multiple Lips can't be on screen at once, so why wouldn't multiples of the same items be? But if we look at the Screw Attack, multiples of that can be onscreen while multiple Samuses can use it, right? She can even use the item, can she not? And Link can use the Boomerang Item too anyway, can he not? Overall, it doesn't matter if it's an Item they can use without the Item select on(if you will on that phrasing). It doesn't disconfirm crap in any way. The thing that'll disconfirm Lip is either her being an Assist Trophy period, or finding out she's not playable again. As in actual Word of Sakurai or legitimate evidence, not extremely useless evidence. Hell, didn't we just see the Bombchu as an Item? What makes you think that the custom moves won't allow us to use Bombchus for either Link? Because of poor evidence like that? It doesn't mean jack and never did. It's beyond poor as evidence. We know it's an Item, nothing more.

 

[Deleted member]

******** and whining because I dared to point out the flaw in the argument while claiming it doesn't render the point invalid when it actually does

And you wonder why I rarely take you seriously.

 

[---]

Are some of you even talking about the Sal leak anymore? Get back on topic.

 

[Deleted member]

Getting a little trigger-happy, are we?

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Are some of you even talking about the Sal leak anymore? Get back on topic.

I'm not meaning to be offensive, and I'm sure this will likely trigger a defensive response but I think you might consider the idea that you may be being a bit...over-bearing in this thread.

This Sal leak is a leak that is open to being both legitimized and disproved by a variety things, not just officially announced by Nintendo. It's literally expected that the conversation will drift at least slightly in either direction between other leaks that may confirm or deny the legitimacy of the Sal Leak, and in the other direction of Characters not mentioned by the Sal Leak but carry some weight of being plausible/likely to many. What more is to discuss, specifically and only pertaining to the content of the Sal Leak that hasn't been approached? We know what he said, and we can only wait for it to be true, and throw our vote in as to whether we believe it to be legit or not, but past that, we have a desire to spur conversation based in a factual, evidenced foundation, which is why folks draw their arguments from subjects that, while to you seem to simply incite the "stop going off-topic" reiterations, are very much a central part of a major point.

I'm sure you don't enjoy having to say the same thing every couple of posts, but what I'm saying is that it isn't really necessary as for the most part it's all on topic, if not in-directly in some way.

If people start talking about MLP or something of that nature, bring down the pain, but your "enforcing" in this case is only stifling discussion rather than promoting it.

 

[---]

I'm not meaning to be offensive, and I'm sure this will likely trigger a defensive response but I think you might consider the idea that you may be being a bit...over-bearing in this thread.

This Sal leak is a leak that is open to being both legitimized and disproved by a variety things, not just officially announced by Nintendo. It's literally expected that the conversation will drift at least slightly in either direction between other leaks that may confirm or deny the legitimacy of the Sal Leak, and in the other direction of Characters not mentioned by the Sal Leak but carry some weight of being plausible/likely to many. What more is to discuss, specifically and only pertaining to the content of the Sal Leak that hasn't been approached? We know what he said, and we can only wait for it to be true, and throw our vote in as to whether we believe it to be legit or not, but past that, we have a desire to spur conversation based in a factual, evidenced foundation, which is why folks draw their arguments from subjects that, while to you seem to simply incite the "stop going off-topic" reiterations, are very much a central part of a major point.

I'm sure you don't enjoy having to say the same thing every couple of posts, but what I'm saying is that it isn't really necessary as for the most part it's all on topic, if not in-directly in some way.

If people start talking about MLP or something of that nature, bring down the pain, but your "enforcing" in this case is only stifling discussion rather than promoting it.

I get where you're coming from, but I'd recommend first reading the OP of this thread regarding your questions, and any further questions to Forum Support.

 

[Bauske]

The mod is right. This is a thread for discussion about the Sal leak, but looking at the mojoriry of this page it's talk of character speculation and such. I understand the connection, but Lip doesn't really have anything to do with the Sal leak, so it's a bit off topic.

Even though I don't post here as often, I still watch this thread. Just don't want to see it go the way of the leaks and rumors thread went. :/

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Of course Lip has a connection. Everyone has lips, so Sal Romano and his leaker has to have lips.

Lip confirmed!

 

[Noiblade]

Spoiler

as I don't even know who lip is, i'm just imagining him/her/it as the Dairy Queen lips. .-.

Spoiler

The mod is right. This is a thread for discussion about the Sal leak, but looking at the mojoriry of this page it's talk of character speculation and such. I understand the connection, but Lip doesn't really have anything to do with the Sal leak, so it's a bit off topic.

Even though I don't post here as often, I still watch this thread. Just don't want to see it go the way of the leaks and rumors thread went. :/

Also, i'm right there with Ya.

 

[CroonerMike]

Actually, people said Little Mac was deconfirmed because of the boxing ring and villager's punch Then Toon Link was deconfirmed Sheik was too! Yoshi was about to be cut And Ike was going to be replaced by Chrom

So... Why should we think Wonder Red, Ridley, Balloon-Fighter, Mewtwo and many others are "deconfirmed"? Except Sakurai says it directly (laughs), such as what he did with Waluigi, Dark Samus and Skull Kid, I think we cannot say "this guy is deconfirmed".

Can't forget about Starfy, The Sakurai never said he was a character lolols

 

[Pazzo.]

I was just thinking: Today's predictions, chances, and such are based off what could be a lucky guess.

I'm having a hard time believing this leak to be true. Don't misrepresent me, I'd love for all the characters 'leaked' to get in, but there's just a few things that stick out to me.

1. The Original Prediction.

While some of it has a substance to it (Megaman, Little Mac, Mii) the rest were never likely. Villager was more or less disconfirmed by Sakurai, and no one saw WFT coming. So, if he's right so far, why didn't he get the 'These characters will be shown at E3' right?

Theory A: He (the leaker) saw the original E3 trailer, then leaked the newcomers. Sakurai found out, then changed the trailer

Impossible. The trailer alone would have taken a while to make, but to edit out all of the leaked newcomers and to produce a streamlined trailer in a few hours? That's a little hard to swallow.

Theory B: Another person got news of the newcomers to be shown at E3, then leaked them to Sal.

If this is true, why didn't Sal say 'may show up', instead of 'will show up'? That's all I got, as this theory could be possible.

2. "Pokemon from X and Y"

So, I'm going to pretend I'm the leaker. I've seen the Pokemon newcomer, but I don't know it's name. So, seeing the tongue, webbed feet, and blue coloring, I assume it's a frog pokemon from X and Y.

I search "Frog Pokemon" into google, and here's what I get.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Greninja_(Pokémon)

Would it really be that hard to do this? That was 5 minutes of research, if the leaker took hours, he could have found out that Greninja is the most popular starter of X and Y. With the leaker recognizing the Chorus Kids, characters that only appeared in TWO minigames in Rhythm Heaven, I assume that he did some research.

That's just two of a few other parts I could talk about. The entire thing could still be true, but it just looks a tad bit sketchy...

But in the case it is true, I'd love to play as my Mii.

 

[Gameboi834]

2. "Pokemon from X and Y"

So, I'm going to pretend I'm the leaker. I've seen the Pokemon newcomer, but I don't know it's name. So, seeing the tongue, webbed feet, and blue coloring, I assume it's a frog pokemon from X and Y.

I search "Frog Pokemon" into google, and here's what I get.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Greninja_(Pokémon)

Would it really be that hard to do this? That was 5 minutes of research, if the leaker took hours, he could have found out that Greninja is the most popular starter of X and Y

> Implying the leaker saw Greninja
> Implying the leaker saw Greninja after Greninja was even revealed
> Implying the devs knew they were going to use Greninja
> Implying Greninja is a starter (as opposed to Froakie)