The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[Rocket Raccoon]

http://www.destructoid.com/rhythm-heaven-music-producer-diagnosed-with-laryngeal-cancer-272949.phtml

There you go. Perhaps he didn't 'make' them per se, but he made the music, which is what the series is about.

Now I support Choir Men.

 

[Artorias]

I think that when the gematsu leak names the Chorus Men from Rythm Heaven is just like when it said Pokemon from X and Y, or when it said Animal Crossing Guy
I think that when they say these

it actually means Marshal from Rythm Heaven

It may be that the leaker is unfamiliar with the franchise and saw the design in concept arts

 

[Shroob]

I think that when the gematsu leak names the Chorus Men from Rythm Heaven is just like when it said Pokemon from X and Y, or when it said Animal Crossing Guy
I think that when they say these

it actually means Marshal from Rythm Heaven

It may be that the leaker is unfamiliar with the franchise and saw the design in concept arts

The thing is though, Choir Men is their official name, as Golden as pointed out. It's possible that he meant Marshal, but if we take this as he simply saw a list of what was planned, which explains the Greninja scenario, then Choir Men, means, well, Choir Men.

 

[Vann Accessible]

I don't know why I keep checking this thread. The whole topic is just arguing about something we won't know until we have official confirmation.

I guess I'm a little masochistic.

Continues waiting for E3...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I am starting to think that the newcomers we have now are it.

I mean, its understandable that maybe Sal's tipper got possible E3 scenarios the first time and got more later on.

But where would he have gotten this from?

"Pokemon from X and Y" would imply that the tipper found some planning documents. I'd imagine, that these would have every newcomer in the game. Or at least, every planned newcomer.

Point is.... I find it odd that the leaker would get incomplete info from this point on. I also find it odd that the leaker would withhold info at this point.

So, yeah... I think only Mewtwo and other vets have a shot now.

 

[Shroob]

I am starting to think that the newcomers we have now are it.

I mean, its understandable that maybe Sal's tipper got possible E3 scenarios the first time and got more later on.

But where would he have gotten this from?

"Pokemon from X and Y" would imply that the tipper found some planning documents. I'd imagine, that these would have every newcomer in the game. Or at least, every planned newcomer.

Point is.... I find it odd that the leaker would get incomplete info from this point on.

So, yeah... I think only Mewtwo and other vets have a shot now.

Honestly, is that soo terrible? We'd get twelve newcomers and BEST CASE SCENARIO, Squirtle, Ivysaur and Snake are our only cuts, that's 36 from Brawl, and then 1 from Melee(Mewtwo). That's 49 characters, a LOT higher than the majority of player's expectations.

Yes, objectively speaking, it's less than what we're 'used' to, but Brawl sort of finished off most series with valid picks, and anything else I feel is just bonus, with some exceptions that people will complain about.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Honestly, is that soo terrible? We'd get twelve newcomers and BEST CASE SCENARIO, Squirtle, Ivysaur and Snake are our only cuts, that's 36 from Brawl, and then 1 from Melee(Mewtwo). That's 49 characters, with room for the random box.

I get that.

Overall, I think it's a fine batch of newcomers.

It's just that I want Ridley/K.Rool too.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Honestly, is that soo terrible? We'd get twelve newcomers and BEST CASE SCENARIO, Squirtle, Ivysaur and Snake are our only cuts, that's 36 from Brawl, and then 1 from Melee(Mewtwo). That's 49 characters, a LOT higher than the majority of player's expectations.

Yes, objectively speaking, it's less than what we're 'used' to, but Brawl sort of finished off most series with valid picks, and anything else I feel is just bonus, with some exceptions that people will complain about.

Ridley and Mewtwo need to be in. I'm also expecting Takamaru and a new DK rep.

 

[Shroob]

I get that.

Overall, I think it's a fine batch of newcomers.

It's just that I want Ridley/K.Rool too.

Well, there's always a possibility. Rosalina was revealed between leaks, so it's obvious the leaker doesn't know everything. My belief in Ridley at this point is borderline non-existent, but K.Rool could, I guess, though I don't have much faith in him either.

 

[Neo Zero]

I don't think K Rool and Ridley are impossible, given what we know and what Sal tells us. It's just that it would mean we'd need to lose some vets. For example, if we lost Snake, Mii could hang out with the 3rd parties, and the order could be arranged to allow Ridley (or K Rool) to show up. Really, there's a lot of ways the roster could still be shaken up just from not knowing the fates of Lucas, Wolf, Jigglypuff, and ROB most notably.

As mentioned though, we may hear some info on what could be at E3 from Sal, but it's very unlikely he'd have any new information, given the format of his previous leaks made it sound like it was from perhaps a document on the roster (perhaps similar to how Ike was supposedly "Fire Emblem Character" before he was picked.)

 

[Groose]

I am starting to think that the newcomers we have now are it.

I mean, its understandable that maybe Sal's tipper got possible E3 scenarios the first time and got more later on.

But where would he have gotten this from?

"Pokemon from X and Y" would imply that the tipper found some planning documents. I'd imagine, that these would have every newcomer in the game. Or at least, every planned newcomer.

Point is.... I find it odd that the leaker would get incomplete info from this point on. I also find it odd that the leaker would withhold info at this point.

So, yeah... I think only Mewtwo and other vets have a shot now.

My current predictions includes the Gematsu Newcomers and Mewtwo. I still have heavy confidence in Mewtwo even if the Gematsu Leak is real; it's my belief that the Greninja trailer was intentionally misleading to suggest that it was him. Additionally, as a veteran, it is not odd at all that he wouldn't show up in a leak comprised of newcomers.

 

[Reila]

My current predictions includes the Gematsu Newcomers and Mewtwo. I still have heavy confidence in Mewtwo even if the Gematsu Leak is real; it's my belief that the Greninja trailer was intentionally misleading to suggest that it was him. Additionally, as a veteran, it is not odd at all that he wouldn't show up in a leak comprised of newcomers.

It is nice to believe in things. I don't see what was misleading in Greninja's trailer. The frog was hidden in the shadow because well, it is a ninja. It wasn't hidden to make people believe it was Mewtwo or anything like that. That being said, I do think Mewtwo will be back in SSB4.

ISo, yeah... I think only Mewtwo and other vets have a shot now.

You might be right, but if they announced all newcomers, leaving nothing for E3... Well, Nintendo isn't doing their best at hyping people for the game. They should save the best or most wanted newcomers for E3-related events. They revealed Mega Man last year, there should be at least one hype worthy newcomer this time around, right? If the current newcomers are the only newcomers, I will be kind of disappointed because I really want Ridley, K. Rool and Takamaru.

 

[Xzsmmc]

I'm also in the camp of leaning towards the twelve we know being the only newcomers, and JHC, I hope that's not the case. Aside from Mac and Mega Man, there are hardly any popular choices.

 

[APC99]

My current roster is 52 characters: the 39 from Brawl (minus Squirtle and Ivysaur), the current newcomers (37 + 6 = 43), the newcomers from the Gematsu leak (43 + 6 = 49), Mewtwo, Ridley and King K. Rool, adding up to 52. That's what I see likely happening, and hopefully it'll come true.

 

[Hippopotasauce]

The thing is though, Choir Men is their official name, as Golden as pointed out. It's possible that he meant Marshal, but if we take this as he simply saw a list of what was planned, which explains the Greninja scenario, then Choir Men, means, well, Choir Men.

Chorus Kids.

Chorus Kids.

Chorus Kids.

 

[papagenos]

leak wise imo the roster is looking to be 49 spots + random button: brawl's 39 -squirtle/ivysaur = 37 + 6 current known newcomers + 6 more from sal's leak = 49

the real question... is snake cut or not?

if snake is cut i think, like everyone else, it's either mewtwo or ridley for the final spot. k. rool is not in the running here as far as im concerned there's been almost nothing pointing to him in the game beyond the kremlings which just as easily are enemies due to DK being in the game, and K. rool is entirely fan desire and i know from the brawl days what happens when people think a character will get in based entirely on fan desire during the build up to the game.

characters like balloon fighter, ghirahim/tingle, sceptile, isaac, takamaru, mach rider etc... all have chances as well but i think only mewtwo or ridley are realistic for this final spot.

mewtwo because pokemon goes down a rep without him, hes highly requested (especially in japan) and relevant to the latest pokemon games, and it would make sense for Sal's leak to not mention him as a newcomer.

ridley because sakurai has teased him so much even though being a stage hazard boss is much more likely i could still see all this being build up to his reveal as a playable fighter.

it's also equally possible we get 48 characters with snake cut and neither mewtwo OR ridley appearing. this would fit the RosalinaX leak that said 48 characters with 4cuts... now squirtle/ivysaur/snake is only 3 cuts BUT if say mario has a dr. mario alt costume, pikachu has a pichu alt, and toon link has a young link alt then Roy could be considered the 4th cut OR the info could have been muddled around with "pokemon trainer and snake cut" making the assumption that pkmn trainer = 3 cuts + snake =4 when actually charizard was being kept... not as likely as simply getting 49 characters but this is a possibility (i dont actually put much stock in the RosalinaX leak anyway).

 

[ZeldaMaster]

I get that.

Overall, I think it's a fine batch of newcomers.

It's just that I want Ridley/K.Rool too.

I still firmly believe Palutena will be in the game. There's just too much going for her, she's a shoo-in.

 

[shrooby]

I am starting to think that the newcomers we have now are it.

I mean, its understandable that maybe Sal's tipper got possible E3 scenarios the first time and got more later on.

But where would he have gotten this from?

"Pokemon from X and Y" would imply that the tipper found some planning documents. I'd imagine, that these would have every newcomer in the game. Or at least, every planned newcomer.

Point is.... I find it odd that the leaker would get incomplete info from this point on. I also find it odd that the leaker would withhold info at this point.

So, yeah... I think only Mewtwo and other vets have a shot now.

Wow, man, way to completely destroy all character hype I had.
Damn it...stop making logic and stuff.
I can think of two problems with this, but they really just stem from my own bias.
First is there are character I find hard to believe were never even planned. No character for Sakurai to revive, like he said he liked doing? Neither K. Rool or Dixie?
Second would be that I think Mewtwo would be a big enough deal that his name would be near whatever these "documents" are. I honestly don't think he'd be treated like a "veteran" as we're used to.
Though this is under the assumption that we are in fact hearing information straight from documents. It could be someone heard from a friend who heard from a friend so on and so forth. Information could get lost or was never heard to begin with.

WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE JUST KEPT THAT TO YOURSELF?

 

[ZanZero]

I really, REALLY don't get why everyone sticks to these leaks like the gospel.
The original list of guesses were all characters with good chances, besides Wii Fit Trainer, which honestly if you cram enough sentient free thinking apes on to a planet they're bound to guess **** like this.
The second list has ZERO credibility, and honestly I feel should be looked at like any wishlist on GameFAQs.
Sal or whatever went from 'oh here are some unlikely guesses' to 'I have vague insider info about popular characters like chorus men and non-clarified-pokemon-from-X-and-Y.' I feel he saw people taking his first guess list seriously and decided to run with it with a brand new list of characters that are already likely.

He put a widely believed leak - Palutena
A fan favorite - Shulk
An obvious addition - Chrom
An inevitable addition - Mii
The only possible third party - Pac Man
A Sakurai style rando curveball - "Chorus Men"
And a SUPER vague one as to at least seal the deal if one shows up - Pokemon from X and Y

I don't doubt most of these characters will be in.
I don't doubt the possibility of Sakurai wanting to pull another ****ing wacky ass curveball with the "chorus men".
But I do doubt that this is an actual leak, and more think this is someone trying to cement themselves in smash community history by making one lucky guess and then following up with obvious ones.

I dunno, maybe I'm thinking about this to much.
I'm just honestly sick of seeing people all over the forum talking about this leak like it is the truth, when we have no concrete evidence toward the notion.
I guess we will see in due time.

Quick edit: I had no idea that Sal had previously been a reliable source of info, besides his first guess list.
That changes things up a bit, but I'm still gonna stick to my guns on this one.

 

[Noiblade]

I think something we need to all remember is:

We shouldn't dis-believe it because we can't prove it's real, but we shouldn't believe it because we can't disprove it either.

Particularly, i'm a bit of a victim of Bias. Why? I like all these characters.

but that really doesn't have any impact on what I think of it. You can't deny that it's very unreasonable to "guess" 6 characters in a row(vague or not)
But you also can't deny the fact that its possible.

 

[Reila]

Yeah, I don't believe in this leak either and even if the leak IS true, it obviously isn't leaking every newcomer in the game.

The only leak I have a hard time not believing is the Palutena 3DS pictures.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I am starting to think that the newcomers we have now are it.

I mean, its understandable that maybe Sal's tipper got possible E3 scenarios the first time and got more later on.

But where would he have gotten this from?

"Pokemon from X and Y" would imply that the tipper found some planning documents. I'd imagine, that these would have every newcomer in the game. Or at least, every planned newcomer.

Point is.... I find it odd that the leaker would get incomplete info from this point on. I also find it odd that the leaker would withhold info at this point.

So, yeah... I think only Mewtwo and other vets have a shot now.

I doubt it. I think there will be a few more newcomers left.

 

[ZanZero]

Yeah, I don't believe in this leak either and even if the leak IS true, it obviously isn't leaking every newcomer in the game.

The only leak I have a hard time not believing is the Palutena 3DS pictures.

Exactly how I feel, honestly.
Also, while I wouldn't mind the sal leaks being true, I want Isaac damnit.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Also, while I wouldn't mind the sal leaks being true, I want Isaac damnit.

Agreed with this.

 

[PlTe]

I think we'll have the Gematsu characters, maybe a few other ones (possible Mewtwo as a 6th Pokemon or King K. Rool). That would bring a total of about 13-14 newcomers, let's say they cut Snake, Lucas, and Wolf. That's about 49-50 characters in total.

 

[Luigi#1]

I think something we need to all remember is:

We shouldn't dis-believe it because we can't prove it's real, but we shouldn't believe it because we can't disprove it either.

Particularly, i'm a bit of a victim of Bias. Why? I like all these characters.

but that really doesn't have any impact on what I think of it. You can't deny that it's very unreasonable to "guess" 6 characters in a row(vague or not)
But you also can't deny the fact that its possible.

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssss.
This is what I've been saying.

 

[Spazzy_D]

If this leak does prove to be true, and the leaked new comers are all the "planned" newcomers, I would still find it difficult to believe that we may not at least see a few Luigified clones make it in with how smoothly development seems to be going. Bowser Jr. and Dixie seem super likely to me for this reason.

In all honesty, the character list in this leak seems very likely to me. The only glaring omissions that would make me think it's an incomplete list are a Donkey Kong newcomer and a new retro character. (Ridley is on life support for me at the moment.)

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

**THEORY TIME**

I couldn't be bothered to check if anybody has mentioned this before, but:

"Who's Murabito?"
"Oh, you know, the Animal Crossing Guy"

"Gekkouga?"
"That's a new Pokemon from X and Y"

...

"Oh, hey Sal, my guy says there's, uh... what was that name again, I forgot. Well, it was the Animal Crossing Guy."

 

[ChunkyBeef]

"Oh, hey Sal, my guy says there's, uh... what was that name again, I forgot. Well, it was the Animal Crossing Guy."

Except anyone can do research on that stuff for accuracy's sake in less than two minutes, so I'm going to assume the vagueness another part of the puzzle that doesn't fit. Like I always have.

 

[ZanZero]

**THEORY TIME**

I couldn't be bothered to check if anybody has mentioned this before, but:

"Who's Murabito?"
"Oh, you know, the Animal Crossing Guy"

"Gekkouga?"
"That's a new Pokemon from X and Y"

...

"Oh, hey Sal, my guy says there's, uh... what was that name again, I forgot. Well, it was the Animal Crossing Guy."

Yeah, I figure if this leak is true then that is the reason for all the vagueness.
Still, I think besides Wii Fit and Choir Men, all of the characters in the leak are safe bets, which just makes it feel like it was made by the average GameFAQs poster with "connections".

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Except anyone can do research on that stuff for accuracy's sake in less than two minutes, so I'm going to assume the vagueness another part of the puzzle that doesn't fit. Like I always have.

That's the one thing that bothers me. As I see it, the only plausible explanation is that he'd forgotten the Japanese names he'd heard before he had a chance to look them up. If you weren't sure, you wouldn't risk telling everybody Goodra was going to playable, would you? Vagueness trumps inaccuracy.

Yeah, I figure if this leak is true then that is the reason for all the vagueness.
Still, I think besides Wii Fit and Choir Men, all of the characters in the leak are safe bets, which just makes it feel like it was made by the average GameFAQs poster with "connections".

Go back to this time last year and tell me Mega Man was a safe bet, bro. I'd have laughed you out of the internet.
We aren't congratulating every GameFAQs kid that put Mega Man and Little Mac on their dumb wishlist roster for their sound character choices. The crucial different between those and the Gematsu leak, is that Sal Romano never said anything about Ridley, Krystal and King K. Rool. If he had, we'd probably be ignoring him.

 

[Shroob]

That's the one thing that bothers me. As I see it, the only plausible explanation is that he'd forgotten the Japanese names he'd heard before he had a chance to look them up. If you weren't sure, you wouldn't risk telling everybody Goodra was going to playable, would you? Vagueness trumps inaccuracy.



Go back to this time last year and tell me Mega Man was a safe bet, bro. I'd have laughed you out of the internet.
We aren't congratulating every GameFAQs kid that put Mega Man and Little Mac on their dumb wishlist roster for their sound character choices. The crucial different between those and the Gematsu leak, is that Sal Romano never said anything about Ridley, Krystal and King K. Rool. If he had, we'd probably be ignoring him.

Sorta how I feel about it. People talk about how guys like Ridley, etc are such safe bets with soo much information against them.

If E3 rolls around and Ridley ends up being a stage hazard like he's implied to be, I really think, or at least I hope, people will finally get he's not playable. Now, granted, if he was shown, I'd like that very much, but the current evidence suggests otherwise.

 

[Deleted member]

Chorus Kids.

Chorus Kids.

Chorus Kids.

Outside Japan: Chorus Kids.
In Japan: Chorus Men.

 

[ZanZero]

Go back to this time last year and tell me Mega Man was a safe bet, bro. I'd have laughed you out of the internet.
We aren't congratulating every GameFAQs kid that put Mega Man and Little Mac on their dumb wishlist roster for their sound character choices. The crucial different between those and the Gematsu leak, is that Sal Romano never said anything about Ridley, Krystal and King K. Rool. If he had, we'd probably be ignoring him.

Eh, honestly Megaman WAS a safe bet, on the same level that Pac Man is. He's an icon for a generation of gaming, has an extensive history with nintendo, a HUGE fanbase, and has been requested feverishly since Pre-Melee. Plus add to that the fact that nobody was surprised he was in. Hyped and freaking the **** out? Yes. Surprised? No.
I feel most of the characters in the second leak are on the same level as Ridley, K. Rool, and Krystal. If not worse because most of them were EXPECTED by the time he put that leak out. I feel he throws in one wild card (wii fit, chorus men or boys or ****ing whatever) and people flock from all over because "'Oh that sounds reasonable', 'oh those aren't bad additions', 'chorus men? what a wacky Sakurai style character! IT CAN'T BE FAKE!!1!!'"
Chrom, Shulk, Megaman, Mii, Little Mac, Pac Man, and Pale-tuna are all relatively safe guesses.
I say relatively because you can never tell with Sakurai. He's a crazy ******* and always will be.
Laugh me out of the internet if you ****ing want to, but that's my opinion.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Eh, honestly Megaman WAS a safe bet, on the same level that Pac Man is. He's an icon for a generation of gaming, has an extensive history with nintendo, a HUGE fanbase, and has been requested feverishly since Pre-Melee. Plus add to that the fact that nobody was surprised he was in. Hyped and freaking the **** out? Yes. Surprised? No.

I was surprised. Same as I was surprised for Sonic and Snake; third party characters aren't "safe bets". Well, except maybe Pac-Man, at this point, but only because there's Namco items in the game.

Regardless of how safe you think any characters are, the first half of the leak was obviously not guessed. Anybody with a basic understanding of statistics and probabilities can work out that somebody predicting four out of six characters correctly has got to have inside information or be a wizard. I don't know why people even argue about that one. It's like guessing four numbers in a row when rolling a dice, except the dice has twenty sides and you don't know which numbers are on it.

 

[Luigi#1]

I was surprised. Same as I was surprised for Sonic and Snake; third party characters aren't "safe bets". Well, except maybe Pac-Man, at this point, but only because there's Namco items in the game.

Regardless of how safe you think any characters are, the first half of the leak was obviously not guessed. Anybody with a basic understanding of statistics and probabilities can work out that somebody predicting four out of six characters correctly has got to have inside information or be a wizard. I don't know why people even argue about that one. It's like guessing four numbers in a row when rolling a dice, except the dice has twenty sides and you don't know which numbers are on it.

You...Megaman...and Sonic...were surprising...
No...
no...

 

[ChunkyBeef]

I was surprised. Same as I was surprised for Sonic and Snake; third party characters aren't "safe bets". Well, except maybe Pac-Man, at this point, but only because there's Namco items in the game.

Yeah, I was genuinely surprised, as well, when Mega Man got revealed. Same with Snake and Sonic.

Still, I think Mega Man was a fairly safe bet. After Snake and Sonic, the only third party choices that would've generated anywhere NEAR the same amount of hype that Snake and Sonic generated and still fit the Smash art style without too much effort was Mega Man and Pac-Man. I'm sure there's other third parties that would generate similar hype - Crono, for example, would probably paint a lot of walls white - but for the most part, it's tough to say how people looked at Mega Man. People asked for him, sure, have been for ages, but I don't think anyone really expected him. Especially recently, with how crappy Capcom's been treating the franchise 'cause Inafune couldn't keep his mouth shut.

 

[Dairz]

I was surprised. Same as I was surprised for Sonic and Snake; third party characters aren't "safe bets". Well, except maybe Pac-Man, at this point, but only because there's Namco items in the game.

Regardless of how safe you think any characters are, the first half of the leak was obviously not guessed. Anybody with a basic understanding of statistics and probabilities can work out that somebody predicting four out of six characters correctly has got to have inside information or be a wizard. I don't know why people even argue about that one. It's like guessing four numbers in a row when rolling a dice, except the dice has twenty sides and you don't know which numbers are on it.

To be fair, those 4 out of 6 characters weren't all at E3, like the leak suggested. And Little Mac was shown after a different newcomer was revealed first, too. It would be like rolling a 2 three times in a row, then getting a 1, then another 2. Wait, It would be like rolling a 2 three times in a row, then getting another 2 when you start your next game of "Sorry!", or whatever.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

To be fair, those 4 out of 6 characters weren't all at E3, like the leak suggested. And Little Mac was shown after a different newcomer was revealed first, too. It would be like rolling a 2 three times in a row, then getting a 1, then another 2.

No, no, no...

Villager is like a 1 on a D10 you thought you'd lost 6 years ago.
Guessing Mega Man is like guessing you'll roll a 1 on a D20, but all the numbers have worn off.
Wii Fit Trainer is like guessing a K on a die you've never heard, and whose existence was thought to be a myth.

You...Megaman...and Sonic...were surprising...
No...
no...

You...post...is confusing...incoherent...
No...
yes...

 

[EmbersToAshes]

I love all this talk of safe bets. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, guys, and it's pretty much the only argument consistently being thrown at this leak.