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The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

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I'll reiterate again. Any person from this point who posts something not directly related to the leak (ie, NOT THE CHARACTERS IN THE LEAK, BUT THE LEAK ITSELF) will be infracted. No warnings will be given. You people have been warned enough.
 

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I was just preparing a big post with a lot of past quotes,... nevermind then. XP
 
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you mean, what people speculated? ... well, starting from this scene, released sometime during the Brawl hype, people talked about how Mewtwo, Master Hand and Ridley (I don't remember very well) were in these clouds..

... I mean... it's abstract, and needs some criativity and effort of the person to see this...

but.. now... this, seems something more planned, imo (and maybe 'cause all the joke that turned the Brawl theory in the past);


but yeah, with or without clouds, Pacster still has his chances very high;
...and what did I just say about not character speculating?

Seriously, I'm a gatekeeper of hell.
 
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i see the master hand, and bowser, but where on earth is there a mewtwo or ridley in those red clouds?
 
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I do have one thing to discuss...

It looks like the tipper's info for the second half was dated...

But why did he give dated info at that point?
 

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Perhaps the tipper isn't actually in the smash team?
 

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I just want to see anything that confirms or disconfirms the leak already. I don't even care either way... 25 days till E3? Or just give me the Chorus Kids/Mii Assist Trophy to disconfirm it in a PotD.
 
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Perhaps the tipper isn't actually in the smash team?
Or was. People do get fired over leaks... and his information is outdated because they made decisions without his knowledge.

It sucks to think about, of course, but it's no less a possibility.
 

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Perhaps the tipper isn't actually in the smash team?
If the tipper was on the Smash team one would think they'd be able to give information more specific than "a Pokemon from X/Y". Sounds like someone who learnt the roster a while ago, or saw a rather preliminary list, and doesn't have continual contact with development.

Or yeah, was fired some time ago.

I just want to see anything that confirms or disconfirms the leak already. I don't even care either way... 25 days till E3? Or just give me the Chorus Kids/Mii Assist Thropy to disconfirm it in a PotD.
Come back to Nintendo plz. :sadeyes:
 

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I just want to see anything that confirms or disconfirms the leak already. I don't even care either way... 25 days till E3? Or just give me the Chorus Kids/Mii Assist Thropy to disconfirm it in a PotD.
I found something: Sakurai says in Picture of the Day: "We didn't introduce ALL of the Assist Trophies in the Smash Bros. Direct. Here's Dillon from Dillon's Rolling Western!! He may rival Sonic in the art of rolling."
That's mean maybe Mii and Chorus Kids are deconfirmed as AT, increasing the chances that the leak is real.
 

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I do have one thing to discuss...

It looks like the tipper's info for the second half was dated...

But why did he give dated info at that point?
That's the main thing keeps me from thinking Miis are totally in this. The Chorus Men are probably wacky enough of an idea (And a rep for an entirely new series) that Sakurai would stick with it, but Miis are something he could backpedal on after he's decided which pokemon he wants. Could have seen them better fit as the new Multi Mii Melee or just reneged on the idea as a whole.

Basically, I think the info as a whole was from an earlier time in development, probably mid 2012, where Sakurai was still umming and erring over any oddball fighters and a Pokemon rep. Most of it seems pretty set in stone with how specific and well-known most of them are, with room for "Didn't know we wanted them" fighters that Sakurai probably spends more time thinking about.

I found something: Sakurai says in Picture of the Day: "We didn't introduce ALL of the Assist Trophies in the Smash Bros. Direct. Here's Dillon from Dillon's Rolling Western!! He may rival Sonic in the art of rolling."
That's mean maybe Mii and Chorus Kids are deconfirmed as AT, increasing the chances that the leak is real.
I fail to see how Sakurai saying they have not shown all ATs excludes Miis or Chorus Kids from being ATs.
 
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That's the main thing keeps me from thinking Miis are totally in this. The Chorus Men are probably wacky enough of an idea (And a rep for an entirely new series) that Sakurai would stick with it, but Miis are something he could backpedal on after he's decided which pokemon he wants. Could have seen them better fit as the new Multi Mii Melee or just reneged on the idea as a whole.

Basically, I think the info as a whole was from an earlier time in development, probably mid 2012, where Sakurai was still umming and erring over any oddball fighters and a Pokemon rep. Most of it seems pretty set in stone with how specific and well-known most of them are, with room for "Didn't know we wanted them" fighters that Sakurai probably spends more time thinking about.



I fail to see how Sakurai saying they have not shown all ATs excludes Miis or Chorus Kids from being ATs.
You're saying the leaker got the info in 2012 or Sal got the info?
 

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You're saying the leaker got the info in 2012 or Sal got the info?
Leaker's info was from a preliminary list in 2012. Leaker is either fired around that time for unrelated reasons or simply is not that involved with development to really have an updated list. Sal got the tip a year later for E3 2013, and later still for the Direct.

Not extremely likely, but not impossible.
 
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That's the main thing keeps me from thinking Miis are totally in this. The Chorus Men are probably wacky enough of an idea (And a rep for an entirely new series) that Sakurai would stick with it, but Miis are something he could backpedal on after he's decided which pokemon he wants. Could have seen them better fit as the new Multi Mii Melee or just reneged on the idea as a whole.

Basically, I think the info as a whole was from an earlier time in development, probably mid 2012, where Sakurai was still umming and erring over any oddball fighters and a Pokemon rep. Most of it seems pretty set in stone with how specific and well-known most of them are, with room for "Didn't know we wanted them" fighters that Sakurai probably spends more time thinking about.



I fail to see how Sakurai saying they have not shown all ATs excludes Miis or Chorus Kids from being ATs.
He say he did not show all AT in ND, maybe counting Dillon he show all AT in the game.
 
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I do have one thing to discuss...

It looks like the tipper's info for the second half was dated...

But why did he give dated info at that point?
Dated........huh?

Are you referring to the "Pokémon from X/Y" thing?
 
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Ah.

I think I've covered that in this thread, but it seems most reasonable to me that the tipper didn't have the up-to-date info in regards to a Pokémon.
Considering how far back the tipper had info to begin with (at least a week before E3 2013), who's to say the second batch of info isn't from the same source the tipper obtained it from as the first?
Greninja wouldn't have been picked as the "Pokémon from X/Y" until after X/Y's release anyway.
 

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Ah.

I think I've covered that in this thread, but it seems most reasonable to me that the tipper didn't have the up-to-date info in regards to a Pokémon.
Considering how far back the tipper had info to begin with (at least a week before E3 2013), who's to say the second batch of info isn't from the same source the tipper obtained it from as the first?
Greninja wouldn't have been picked as the "Pokémon from X/Y" until after X/Y's release anyway.
I think Greninja was chosen before the X/Y release, but your point still stands.
 

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Ignoring that you don't seem to know what irony is, listen to the words of the mod.
This is not a thread about the characters themselves. This is for the leak as a whole.
the characters in the leak is a part of the leak as a whole
 
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Unless Sakurai could see the future and know about Greninja's sheer popularity among the Gen 6 Pokémon before Greninja even went public, it doesn't seem logical to me to believe Greninja was decided upon until after the release.


In fact, it may be some crazy conspiracy, but I think the "We have nothing to announce today for Pokémon X and Y! Really!" pic the week after the release is quite suspicious in the sense that Sakurai made the decision around that time.

the characters in the leak is a part of the leak as a whole
No, it isn't. Asking things like "do you like the roster" is not talking about the leak itself; it's talking of the characters specifically.
Now stop derailing the thread and making false justifications as to why it is not derailing. We've already got multiple mods stepping in; it is stupid to defy them because of what you think should be on-topic.
 
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Unless Sakurai could see the future and know about Greninja's sheer popularity among the Gen 6 Pokémon before Greninja even went public, it doesn't seem logical to me to believe Greninja was decided upon until after the release.

In fact, it may be some crazy conspiracy, but I think the "We have nothing to announce today for Pokémon X and Y! Really!" pic the week after the release is quite suspicious in the sense that Sakurai made the decision around that time.
I'm pretty sure the starters would've gone through some kind of focus testing before release...
 
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I'm pretty sure the starters would've gone through some kind of focus testing before release...
.....I am at a loss of words.

I literally don't know how to respond to this.
 
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So do you disagree?
Very much so.

And yet....I can't formulate my counterpoint at this present time...

First instinct would be to use Infernape as a counter (since D/P would be in near the same situation as X/Y in Smash for Brawl) since the prospect of a fire brawler monkey based off of Sun Wu Kong would be as appealing as a water ninja frog to a test group, but the fact Lucario existed and his movie came out shortly after Sakurai "finalized" Brawl's roster renders it null.

Second instinct would be to bring up Blaziken's long-term popularity that extended even into Greninja's home territory as means to assert that it made more sense as a promotional Pokémon for that Generation despite being from a Generation before it like Lucario, Mewtwo, etc.
Though that argument isn't strong enough.

Third would be that statement on how Sakurai picks Pokémon characters from before the initial trailer. Greninja didn't fit into any of those categories, especially since it wasn't known to the public at that time while Sylveon did.
Even bringing the possibility of focus groups into play, it also begs the question on how they got to use Protean Greninjas which is the biggest contributor to its claim to fame.
But that's another argument that isn't strong enough.
 
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I think Greninja was MADE to be the popular one. From it's ninja like appearance to it's secret ability
 

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I do have one thing to discuss...

It looks like the tipper's info for the second half was dated...

But why did he give dated info at that point?
Maybe something happened and the leaker got kicked off the team. Maybe they figured out he was the guy who leaked the first batch of info, and he lost his job, but not before he took a bit more info with him. And that bit of info is the second leak we got. It's honestly hard to say. I know a lot of people were debating the fact that he just said "a Pokemon from X/Y," but there are many things to consider. Maybe he doesn't actually work that close and instead only gets info close to time of release. Maybe he doesn't have a major role on the project and instead only get access on rare occasions. I doubt we'll ever know because if we do discover his role, then chances are Sakurai and the team will discover it as well, and he won't have a job in the game industry any longer. :p
 

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Very much so.

And yet....I can't formulate my counterpoint at this present time...
I won't carry on here because this isn't the place for it, but considering how much the starters are and will be used in promotion, considering how large a part of marketing they are, how integral they are to the game, you really don't think they were run through a few focus groups beforehand? It's a pretty common practice... especially when a large part of the appeal for many people hinges on the three lines.

Not to imply how much it directly affected Smash, if at all, but GF likely knew where the popularity trend would lean before the games actually released.
 
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I won't carry on here because this isn't the place for it, but considering how much the starters are and will be used in promotion, considering how large a part of marketing they are, how integral they are to the game, you really don't think they were run through a few focus groups beforehand? It's a pretty common practice... especially when a large part of the appeal for many people hinges on the three lines.

Not to imply how much it directly affected Smash, if at all, but GF likely knew where the popularity trend would lean before the games actually released.

First instinct would be to use Infernape as a counter (since D/P would be in near the same situation as X/Y in Smash for Brawl) since the prospect of a fire brawler monkey based off of Sun Wu Kong would be as appealing as a water ninja frog to a test group, but the fact Lucario existed and his movie came out shortly after Sakurai "finalized" Brawl's roster renders it null.

Second instinct would be to bring up Blaziken's long-term popularity that extended even into Greninja's home territory as means to assert that it made more sense as a promotional Pokémon for that Generation despite being from a Generation before it like Lucario, Mewtwo, etc.
Though that argument isn't strong enough.

Third would be that statement on how Sakurai picks Pokémon characters from before the initial trailer. Greninja didn't fit into any of those categories, especially since it wasn't known to the public at that time while Sylveon did.
Even bringing the possibility of focus groups into play, it also begs the question on how they got to use Protean Greninjas which is the biggest contributor to its claim to fame.
But that's another argument that isn't strong enough.
I know you said you wouldn't carry it on here, but I had this edited in to the other post and it seemed relevant to this.
EDIT: I suppose another counter would be that GF typically has a non-starter "mascot" of sorts for a Generation that gets heavy promotion.
Granted, their attempt to Zoroark was a bust, so it may have led to not even trying for Kalos, but still. Greninja hasn't even made its debut into the anime yet; its first appearance will be in the Diancie movie as one of the token "mook" Pokémon owned by the antagonists. Alongside the other starters.
 
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Sakurai/Sora/Bamco had access to all of GameFreaks' (and Nintendo's/Capcom's/Sega's for that matter) resources long before development even went underway. Though it seems unlikely any "focus group" type deal happened, I wouldn't rule it out. Truthfully though, I just feel like Sakurai looked at what each character was capable of, would be "cool" (which wouldn't be too far of a stretch to presume would be seen as "cool" by the fanbase, which speculated/intended or not, could lead to some very easily predictable "popularity").

As far as this pertains to the leak, "Pokemon from X/Y" seems to be a special case this time around, as the games/Gen VI didn't release too long ago. It's neither a stretch nor presumptuous to say that it was an easy/generally broad guess that left little room for error, far more so than the case for previous Smash games (Melee came out less than 2 years after Gen II's debut, while Brawl came out 2+ years after Gen IV (even longer than that considering the Gen IV rep in the form of Lucario was shown even earlier than that), but at the same time it seemed like a fairly decent chance that there would in fact be no Gen VI-specific-debut (as in no Megas, "promoted" Pokemon, etc.) newcomers on the roster. All in all the thing that bugs me the most, thereby keeping my skepticism intact, is that this information came the day of the Direct. Had "Pokemon from X/Y" been included with the original "Mega Man/WFT/Villager" prediction, there would probably be no doubt in my mind about its legitimacy.

On another note, I feel like this "drama" between the "leakers" getting fired/leaving the development team or whatever is nothing more than glorified romanticism on our part. It more than likely is as simple as "guy gets a glimpse of leak-worthy info, passes it off to friend since they know they can get in trouble for it, friend decides to get 15 minutes of fame for information that may or may not be true (either because things were subject to change, or because someone was bored enough to fabricate things to make it "more interesting"), Smash fanbase goes rabid and writes these walls of text debating what the true scoop is."

Well now I've said far more than I intended to upon coming in here. So I guess the leaker succeeded regardless of intent.
 

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I don't know what point people think I'm trying to make...
Not to imply how much it directly affected Smash, if at all, but GF likely knew where the popularity trend would lean before the games actually released.
This is pretty much the crux of what I said. I never mentioned a Smash focus group, I was only speaking about GF and Pokemon... not Sakurai. He'd only know the popularity trends in advance if GF told him.
 

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My only gripe with the idea that GF knew Greninja was going to be the most popular starter ahead of time is that they've come out a few times and have said that they try to make each of the starters equally attractive. Their focus groups are largely so they can equalize the starters and make more money by having three marketable mascots rather than one strong one and two weak ones. Even if they knew Greninja was going to be more popular, they probably wouldn't like this and try to change it.

I honestly think that Greninja was only begun in development relatively recently as Sakurai and Bamco took the time to see which Pokémon would grow to be popular enough to fill the predesignated "Pokémon from X and Y" spot that they had reserved.
 

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Just one theory going off of what was discussed above...

It could indeed be outdated information due to the tipper being fired earlier in the process. This would explain a few things: the change in E3 plans (which may have changed at the last minute due to the leak, causing the tipper to be fired), calling Greninja "X and Y Pokemon" (I remember Sakurai saying that he and GameFreak wanted to do marketing analysis to determine who was popular, so this was likely a placeholder name), and the lack of Rosalina (maybe the "Ice Climbers on the 3DS" thing could have possibly kept her out, but the tipper didn't know this was fixed. Not wanting to give wrong information, she was not listed in the leak).

Just something to think about. If one follows this train of thought, it explains the main three things that people try to devalue the leak about. :laugh:
 
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