Hah.
Anyway, it's pretty clear that the Salromano leak is true. The biggest question that hasn't been answered is why Pacman, Little Mac, and Mii weren't revealed and why did Salromano's source think they would be.
Well, these are the biggest offenders. Thankfully, Chrom being leaked has made Fire Emblem General slightly better, though I'm now more worried about if he's actually going to be interesting to play as.
As for why Pac-Man, Little Mac and Mii weren't revealed, I would assume that Salromano may have received outdated information. Like that originally, they were planned, but Nintendo decided to some reason to hold them off until later. I was originally assuming that they might have been revealed at E3 2014, but we got Little Mac in February. I still think Mii and Pac-Man will be shown there, although who else may show up remains to be seen.
I have this gut feeling this thread will be locked.
Just because when the Rumors and Leaks thread was locked, it specifically said not to make any threads about rumors or leaks.
But I'm not sure, considering this is a big leak that does deserve its own thread.
But whatever.
So, on the topic of the Salramono leak, do you think that the newcomers he said will be all the newcomers we are getting?
It seems to be missing some big candidates like King K. Rool, a Zelda newcomer, and a retro newcomer.
I can assure that this thread meets the standards required for an exception to the rule.
First off, the moderator staff never said that leaks threads were outlawed, just that we weren't going to have an all-encompassing leak thread with our weekly garbage leak along with the very few leaks that have a shot of being true (this one and the RosalinaX leak). Leaks that are substantial like this one are threads the moderating staffs are okay with. After making a big case for it, the moderating staff approved it and behold, this thread exist.
Keep in mind that Salromano never said that this was all of the newcomers. He didn't get Rosalina after all and she's in. So Salromano does know the character he's leaking, it's just that he doesn't know all of the newcomers. As for the question itself, no, I don't think that's it. I still expect Mewtwo and a retro character to happen since they've been hinted at (unless that terrible RosalinaX leak comes true), but that's going into speculation territory.
Okay, so we have the following characters yet to be confirmed:
Palutena
Shulk
Mii
Pac-Man
Chorus Men
Chrom
So, a disconfirmation of any of them would falsify the leak.
Seeing that the next newcomer is probably a couple of months away, it is safe for the time being.
I'm betting on the leak being true, not because of the newcomers, but because Salromano has been right with a character that no one has ever seriously predicted; Wii Fit Trainer and that he has yet to be wrong so far. If Salromano is right with Chorus Men, then it'll further solidify that these are no coincidence.
For those of us that haven't seen the actual leak, could we have links?
Is it known whether the leaker is strictly focusing on new characters, or does the fact that unannounced veterans aren't mentioned mean they aren't returning?
The links are the OP under the "What exactly is the leak about?" section.
From what we know, the leak is strictly focusing on newcomers. Salromano has not leaked any Brawl veteran so far and it doesn't look like he will. If we see leaks, they will likely be newcomers.
That being said, I do find it interesting that Mewtwo hasn't been announced yet. Of course it's possible (and even probable I'd argue) that Salromano just may not know the final few additions that aren't in the game and that the best is yet to come. But it is possible that we may already have all of the newcomers in.
First thing is that Salromano may not see Mewtwo in the same light as he does the newcomers. He may see Melee veterans as veterans and as such, doesn't count Mewtwo on characters to leak.
Secondly, as bad as the RosalinaX leak might be, it does have a shot of being true. RosalinaX said that there is inside drifting with tweaks in Mario Kart 8. If he is right, then that adds validity to the leak.
What does the RosalinaX leak have? Forty-eight characters and four cuts. Let's say that everyone from Brawl except Ike, Snake, Squirtle and Ivysaur returns as well as our confirmed/leaked characters. That's thirty five Brawl character and twelve newcomers; giving us forty-seven.
Then if it is all of the newcomers, who else would it be? Well if Salromano doesn't count Mewtwo as a newcomer, that could only be one thing. The last mystery character is indeed, Mewtwo, Salromano is just not going to tell us. So assuming the RosalinaX leak is true, we could be seeing these characters in our final roster.
The first part of this leak is fairly easy to accept; with four of the original six characters confirmed already, and the remaining two very likely to be included I'd be surprised if Mii and Pac-Man don't make the roster.
The recent part of the leak, however, I have a problem with. This game is releasing in about three months, yeah? By that point in Brawl's timeline we'd seen the majority of newcomers. According to this leak, we've seen at most half of them.
If there's at least twelve newcomers, why have we so far only seen six of them? Seems like a lot to keep secret so late.
Of course, given that within that time we have E3, characters could be revealed en masse, with enough time until launch to sneak in one last newcomer in an early August direct before the game is released. Hmm... well, perhaps it isn't actually that farfetched.
Keep in mind that unlockables could be a thing for this game. Sakurai did not reveal all eighteen newcomers in Brawl, so why would Sakurai have to reveal twelve or more newcomers and give us all of the newcomers already?
I'd say he is legit, 6 out of 11 so far is pretty good, that's more then 50 percent. Anyway I don't think his leak should be added to the RosalinaX leak, as I believe his source is in marketing and that at E3 his source will send him the last batch or almost the last batch of newcomers for the game, since release would be like 3 months away and he got his first tip at E3. So I would wait till E3 to compare his leak to anything else.
It's reasonable to put the RosalinaX leak and the Salromano leak together if the former is true about inside drifting with tweaks in MK8. Inside drifting with tweaks is something that is specific; something similar to the notion of ChaosZero being correct about the three Dragoon item and he was entirely right. If RosalinaX is correct about inside drifting with tweaks, it's likely that his leak for this game is correct as well.
My Two Cents!
I'm skeptical of the leak as it doesn't really say everything or make direct notices.
The additional constant hammering of Mii and Pac-Man after the E3 flop-up by the chap has also led me to suspicion.
I have no problem with most of the newcomers, barring Pac-Man and Mii. But I feel like a few of these choices are a little too outlandish in Sakurai's patterns, even when there's heavy hitters that would make the game sell. Pac-Man? Yes. Chorus Men? Not really. We haven't seen as many cuts, and if we don't, really, I'm going to start questioning this leak further and further. 14 Newcomers?
I haven't seen Sakurai say something in effects of us getting fewer newcomers or a limit on the roster, just that he's going to try to add as many characters as possible and that there's more to the game than the character. Plus even if the leak is true, Mewtwo and a retro character has been hinted at, bringing us to fourteen newcomers (or more accurately, additions). So even if RosalinaX is wrong, this does not disprove Salromano's leak.
Also, "too outlandish" is hardly a good argument against the salromano leak. Remember, Sakurai is the same person who gave us
Wii Fit Trainer of all things. If that isn't a curve ball, I don't know what is.
Well if u notice he didn't call out Rosalina which is only one character so far before e3. Maybe it could be the same pattern where there will be 1 extra character that he did not mention before Nintendo direct. Possible.
Careful with that assumption. We're probably not getting a newcomer until E3 and E3 2014 is a big event for Nintendo. Salromano leaked his first batch before E3 2013; he leaked against before the Smash Direct. If he gets a third batch (assuming that my theory with RosalinaX and Salromano isn't true), what better time to leak than before E3 2014? Keep in mind that this will leak the final batch of characters, so if your favorite newcomer of choice isn't in, they're not in after this leak. Makes me wonder if I really want to know the last batch or not.
That said, it's also possible we're left in the dark until release with the unleaked newcomers.
Something to think about: we've had supposedly leaked images of Palutena in the 3DS version and Chrom on the Wii U one. Does this affect he current validity of the leak?
I personally wouldn't mind all of these leaked characters, so long as Ike stays and Chorus Men aren't all standin together as one.
The Chrom leak has been disproven as I've heard so did the Palutena leak. They don't affect the validity of this leak, though, as Salromano's leak is not connected to the Palutena or Chrom leak. They'll be in if Salromano is entirely correct; even if the two picture leaks are false.
How does Rosalina factor into this? If this leak is real, clearly there are additional characters he didn't predict.
Also, predicting a new XY poke is as broad as predicting the weather tomorrow to feature clouds at some point. Did anyone not expect a 6th gen poke? Or Little Mac or Chrom or Palutena for that matter?
I'm a skeptical person. I don't believe leaks until they have proof to back them up.
Rosalina being included does not disprove the leak; it just shows that Salromano does not have access to all the newcomers (although he does know the vast majority of them).
Also, it's possible that Salromano didn't predict a new X & Y Pokémon specifically to avoid lawsuit. Game Freak is extremely strict with their property and it's possible they would raise hell with Sakurai and/or get Salromano into some serious trouble if he had leaked Gekkouga.
