The Official "Should/Will Metaknight be banned?" Thread (LISTEN TO THE SBR PODCAST!)

[Inui]

sorry man Olimar and Falco are garbage they don't get to win tournaments.

I have yet to figure out why you post or if you're capable of doing anything but pick at people's words in order to be a prick.

unfortunately, though, olimar is meaningless

You are EXTREMELY ignorant about Olimar.

you should talk to your boi than, that was inuis thesis, that characters below top tier dont get to win no matter what...

You should not pick at what I said like a fool when you know exactly what I actually meant.

 

[da K.I.D.]

i think inuis and the SBR's (who i was actually talking about) tier lists both have falco as top tier

EDIT for a funny inui:
1. no matter how good he is, hes still not top tier...=(
2. but you are such an elitist how would you expect me to understand all the really intellectual things you are saying...
3. and you should be able to say things exactly correct since your an ACE debater right?

 

[Inui]

i think inuis and the SBR's (who i was actually talking about) tier lists both have falco as high tier

Mew2King, Atomsk, and I all think Falco top tier and probably the third or fourth best character.

I won't comment on the SBR's list because I tend to prefer it doesn't exist, much like their stage rules, because I believe they(the tier list and rules) are an embarassment to the community.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

I have yet to figure out why you post or if you're capable of doing anything but pick at people's words in order to be a prick.



You are EXTREMELY ignorant about Olimar.



You should not pick at what I said like a fool when you know exactly what I actually meant.

You pass off your mistakes as people being pricks rather than take them back? FE what ever forum must have horrible debaters.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That DDD analogy says that the character you used to win money was DDD and that the character you used to get there was sonic. How ever sonic didn't get you any money nor first place.

Wrong.

Sonic beat every other person up to that last fight. Sonic had to have beaten good players to have made it that far.

And if your CPing DDD and win the tournament after that fight, that probably means you won as Sonic before, therefore Sonic did in fact help win first place, more so than DDD.

 

[Inui]

You pass off your mistakes as people being pricks rather than take them back? FE what ever forum must have horrible debaters.

You know what I meant when I said "only the top tier gets to win." It meant that generally only top tiers will take 1st at big tournaments with a lot of good players there. Of course, that is not always the case, as Bum wins with a B tier and Azen wins with an A tier. Exceptions like these are extremely rare, however. Brawl isn't balanced enough to allow variety, regardless of MK being allowed or not.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

Wrong.

Sonic beat every other person up to that last fight. Sonic had to have beaten good players to have made it that far.

And if your CPing DDD and win the tournament after that fight, that probably means you won as Sonic before, therefore Sonic did in fact help win first place, more so than DDD.

Why would you be CPing if you won? dude at least learn the basics of how tournaments work.

Also it is possible to have a tournament with 2 good people in it who are at opposite ends of the brackets and the rest are scrubs. M2K calls this hobo 11 according to inui.

I've actually been to tournaments like this where I did use Cfalcon most of the matches (My Cfalcon sucks) then I went Ike for the semi and above.

You know what I meant when I said "only the top tier gets to win." It meant that generally only top tiers will take 1st at big tournaments with a lot of good players there. Of course, that is not always the case, as Bum wins with a B tier and Azen wins with an A tier. Exceptions like these are extremely rare, however. Brawl isn't balanced enough to allow variety, regardless of MK being allowed a lot.

Nope no you didn't. I even asked what do you consider garbage and you said only the top get to win. Then you went and showed me the top tier of a more accurate tier list made by you and 3 of your hommies.

 

[ShadowLink84]

The problem with what you say is that its a blanket statement and does not allow for exceptions.
Saying that top tiers will always win is a blanket statement.

Saying top tier characters will win MOST of the time is something else entirely

 

[da K.I.D.]

Wrong.

Sonic beat every other person up to that last fight. Sonic had to have beaten good players to have made it that far.

And if your CPing DDD and win the tournament after that fight, that probably means you won as Sonic before, therefore Sonic did in fact help win first place, more so than DDD.

the point is that with out sonic, you might not have gotten that far,
and with out D3 you probably wouldnt have won finals, therefore BOTH characters were essential to get to where you were in the tourney, and as such BOTH characters get the points

EDIT for a funny burrito and red ryu =D
EVERYONES CF SUCKS ROFL

theres no way lucario is C tier...
unless youre going by the tourney rankings, where Mk is S tier and snake is A tier both by themselves...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You know what I meant when I said "only the top tier gets to win." It meant that generally only top tiers will take 1st at big tournaments with a lot of good players there. Of course, that is not always the case, as Bum wins with a B tier and Azen wins with an A tier. Exceptions like these are extremely rare, however. Brawl isn't balanced enough to allow variety, regardless of MK being allowed a lot.

Don't you mean C tier for Azen?

 

[ShadowLink84]

the point is that with out sonic, you might not have gotten that far,
and with out D3 you probably wouldnt have won finals, therefore BOTH characters were essential to get to where you were in the tourney, and as such BOTH characters get the points

Again thats wrong because just because you popped DDD out your pocket ONCE does not mean he'll get points. If he won you the entire set or was used most of the time then yes it would count.
If a character wins you the final with one match its meaningless.
If they win you the set it makes more sense (though IMo it should be more than that)

 

[Inui]

Don't you mean C tier for Azen?

Lucario is no lower than A tier.

Nope no you didn't. I even asked what do you consider garbage and you said only the top get to win. Then you went and showed me the top tier of a more accurate tier list made by you and 3 of your hommies.

Well, this conversation is over.

EDIT for a funny inui:
1. no matter how good he is, hes still not top tier...=(
2. but you are such an elitist how would you expect me to understand all the really intellectual things you are saying...
3. and you should be able to say things exactly correct since your an ACE debater right?

1. Talking about Olimar? He's top tier. Atomsk dropped Dedede for Olimar LOL. It's because Olimar is better.
2. I'd chalk that up to your lack of experience and lack of understanding of high level play more than anything else.
3. I already said that I really don't care about being a good debater when debating people that aren't at the top.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

Again thats wrong because just because you popped DDD out your pocket ONCE does not mean he'll get points. If he won you the entire set or was used most of the time then yes it would count.
If a character wins you the final with one match its meaningless.
If they win you the set it makes more sense (though IMo it should be more than that)

sorry but anokoku said it does mean he gets points. Your wrong theres no buts there the current tournament result thread works like this.

edit: Sorry inui but in debates what ever previous conversations you've had in your life can be brought up as proof to discredit/ hurt your image / rebuttal your own statements. Feel free to do the same against me.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Lucario is no lower than A tier.

I meant in the sense he seconds Ike and Peach

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scratch that he seconds the whole cast.

 

[da K.I.D.]

*high-fives Burrito*
XD

WE ROCK!!
its good to be confirmed when youre right...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

sorry but anokoku said it does mean he gets points. Your wrong theres no buts there the current tournament result thread works like this.

Sorry inui but in debates what ever previous conversations you've had in your life can be brought up as proof to discredit/ hurt your image / rebuttal your own statements. Feel free to do the same against me.

Your not reading what Ankoku said well.

He said Plank used Snake the entire set, not one match.

 

[ShadowLink84]

sorry but anokoku said it does mean he gets points. Your wrong theres no buts there the current tournament result thread works like this.

edit: Sorry inui but in debates what ever previous conversations you've had in your life can be brought up as proof to discredit/ hurt your image / rebuttal your own statements. Feel free to do the same against me.

Um no. Re-read the quote. If a character pops out once it means nothing. however if they were in an entire set, then they'll get points.

Even then I would still have to disagree somewhat since i think that a character winning an entire set doesn't necessarily mean that the character was performing well. (considering there was only a set amount of characters and matches in the set.). Eh

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

Your not reading what Ankoku said well.

He said Plank used Snake the entire set, not one match.

He called it once didn't he?

What happens if azen decides to go Ike MK Peach ect. in the finals? do the finals not count at all? because that way each character only came up once.

Or say he uses Luc twice and looses twice then goes MK Ike and peach do those characters not count but luc does because he was used twice?


edit: *high five*

*high-fives Burrito*

 

[da K.I.D.]

Your not reading what Ankoku said well.

He said Plank used Snake the entire set, not one match.

well, theres never been an instance where somebody seriously used a second main for only one match in finals usually its like 2-3 times in an up to 5/6 game set...

 

[Inui]

edit: Sorry inui but in debates what ever previous conversations you've had in your life can be brought up as proof to discredit/ hurt your image / rebuttal your own statements. Feel free to do the same against me.

Okay? You KNOW you're just being a prick by picking at stuff like that. This isn't a debate tournament. There's no need for such garbage.

I don't need to do the same thing against you because most of what you say isn't really correct and shows a pretty big lack of knowledge/experience.

 

[ShadowLink84]

1. Talking about Olimar? He's top tier. Atomsk dropped Dedede for Olimar LOL. It's because Olimar is better.

OMG! AZE DROPPED MK FOR LUCARIO!
LUCARIO MUST BE BETTER.

No one cares who drops who.

2. I'd chalk that up to your lack of experience and lack of understanding of high level play more than anything else.

Prove this or concede. baseless assumptions get you nowhere inui.

3. I already said that I really don't care about being a good debater when debating people that aren't at the top.

You aren't top yourself though....
Fail.

Just stop posting Inui.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

He called it once didn't he?

I'll have to clarify, I suppose. I won't accept results in which some dude decides, "hey, I want some Falcon rep, I'll pick Falcon for this one match even though I'll end up losing it."

However, DSF went all Meta Knight except against Plank, where he went Snake for all three rounds of that set in loser's finals. Therefore Snake did get the points, even though DSF only used Snake "once."

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theres no way lucario is C tier...
unless youre going by the tourney rankings, where Mk is S tier and snake is A tier both by themselves...

I'm talking about Ike and Peach, who he uses more often than the rest of the cast.

 

[da K.I.D.]

He called it once didn't he?

What happens if azen decides to go Ike MK Peach ect. in the finals? do the finals not count at all? because that way each character only came up once.

Or say he uses Luc twice and looses twice then goes MK Ike and peach do those characters not count but luc does because he was used twice?


edit: *high five*

its funny that you bring this up, because im planning to try to get points for 5 different characters at the next tourney i go to

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

Okay? You KNOW you're just being a prick by picking at stuff like that. This isn't a debate tournament. There's no need for such garbage.

I don't need to do the same thing against you because most of what you say isn't really correct and shows a pretty big lack of knowledge/experience.

kool I guess I am a prick then. and fine don't be one against me. it does nothing but help my case.


edit:

I'll have to clarify, I suppose. I won't accept results in which some dude decides, "hey, I want some Falcon rep, I'll pick Falcon for this one match even though I'll end up losing it."

However, DSF went all Meta Knight except against Plank, where he went Snake for all three rounds of that set in loser's finals. Therefore Snake did get the points, even though DSF only used Snake "once."

I can bold one sentence out of whole statements to bring my point across too.

 

[DraKmoN001]

He called it once didn't he?

What happens if azen decides to go Ike MK Peach ect. in the finals? do the finals not count at all? because that way each character only came up once.

Or say he uses Luc twice and looses twice then goes MK Ike and peach do those characters not count but luc does because he was used twice?

"Who did Azen use before to get into the finals?"

Is what I would wonder anyway.

edit: *high five*

The two of you need a room together? <3

 

[Inui]

OMG! AZE DROPPED MK FOR LUCARIO!
LUCARIO MUST BE BETTER.

No one cares who drops who.

Prove this or concede. baseless assumptions get you nowhere inui.

You aren't top yourself though....
Fail.

Just stop posting Inui.

Except I stated his reason. The reason is that Olimar is better. Your example didn't have Azen stating a reason.

I don't need to prove that you're not that experienced and don't understand high level play that well. I don't even know who you are. What tournaments have you won? What top players have you beaten? What top players do you train with? I don't need to prove that you're not experienced and knowledgable. You have to prove the inverse.

I'm pretty sure I'm either a top player or extremely close to it. I'm not Azen/M2K/DSF, who are basically the only three players that consistently dominate everything they enter regardless of region, but I'm clearly a high level player near the top based on my tournament experience and accomplishments. Denying this because I'm unpopular or w/e is unfair and dumb.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

"Who did Azen use before to get into the finals?"

Is what I would wonder anyway.

I suppose they would be the one to get credit but then that would mean that who ever is used in the finals gets no credit at all even though the one that was used to get there clearly could not make it past that round.

The two of you need a room together? <3

Nah to lonely. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2aiXRFbZr0

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I can bold one sentence out of whole statements to bring my point across too.

You can, but you completely ignore the rest of the statement and forget that the word once is in quotes. Ankoku said he used it for the entire set, not one match.

 

[da K.I.D.]

dont hate just because burrito is like 1 good comment away from getting into my sig, lol.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Except I stated his reason. The reason is that Olimar is better. Your example didn't have Azen stating a reason.

Sonic is better than MK.
I mean, hey, no reasoning to back it up but it must be true

stupidity

inui let me put it to you this way.
No one even heard of you until they dropped your name and the fact thatyou switched to mk after losing to a Soni and prior to losing to that Sonic you did not place nearly as well as you did until afterwards.

Oh and just so you know, just because you train with high level players wouldn't mean you do not suck.
Who did Azen, m2k learn from?

How about Daigo?
how about Sirlin?
Training with the best doesn't mean you are the best Inui. it just means you train with the best. You can still suck ***.

stuff

Oh by no means am I denying the fact that you are a good player or high up.
but you are not top.
Let us look at Azen, M2k, DSF and several other PROVEN top players.
Now let us look at you.

yeah what you said doesn't hold up.
You're good I'll give you that, but you aren't top. You're just good. And frankly, no one cares how good you are when you talk as if you had been dropped on your head as a child.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

You can, but you completely ignore the rest of the statement and forget that the word once is in quotes. Ankoku said he used it for the entire set, not one match.

He also said that he only excludes times where someone says hey I'll use Cfalcon to rep him planning to lose. He might have to clarify that if a character is used once in the grand finals and wins as a counter pick character he doesn't count.

Of course like Da kid said there are very few cases of this actually happening.

 

[da K.I.D.]

You can, but you completely ignore the rest of the statement and forget that the word once is in quotes. Ankoku said he used it for the entire set, not one match.

point is, is that one character was used significantly less, but both characters still deserve the points

 

[Inui]

ShadowLink, I'm surprised you sunk so low to just quote me and insert "stupidity" for everything. You didn't start off as a flaming prick and seemed more reasonable at first. Oh well.

 

[ROOOOY!]

HAY LOOOK I R GUD DEBATAR.
OLIMARS R BESTT IN GAEM COS I SAY SO LOLOLOLOLOL.

But...he really isn't D:
Where has this bull**** sprung from recently? It's like SWF has been injected with 'teh stupid'.
Tournament results prove that much. Last time I checked Character Rankings List, Olimar was 14th ish.
Hell, even mr lolnopriaritynokillmoves5thworstevar Sonic at the minute is two places below that in 16th.
He's a light character with bad recovery. Yes his Whistle has SA but whichever way you slice it his recovery is pretty dire. He's also not the good fighting up close. Olimar's dangerous around midrange when he can camp the hell out of you, but once you get inside his defenses (which for some reason I've heard is impossible recently) Olimar has a hard time shrugging people off.

Also

You're just good. And frankly, no one cares how good you are when you talk as if you had been dropped on your head as a child.

ShadowLink wins ;]

MAGIKARP

 

[Zankoku]

Hey let's get some random numbers shall we?

1 Meta Knight
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3 King Dedede
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7 Olimar
7 Falco
7 Lucario
7 Diddy Kong
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18 Sonic

 

[ROOOOY!]

Like I said, it was from the last time I actually saw the list. Olimar was in free-fall placings wise. Good to know he's picked back up again.
Regardless, I still don't know why Olimar's being made out to be basically the second Jesus recently.
Just some reasoning would be good now and again, that's all.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Thats a surprise.
Why is Sonic so high?

 

[Zankoku]

Because Anther always wins, and for the past month he's been having some sort of obsession with Sonic.

 

[ShadowLink84]

sonic looks like a squirrel?

 

[XienZo]

Ooh, look at how the over-conceited-ness of the ranting of Olimar's perfect camping has improved his ranking!

Well, not really, but sometimes, it feels better to delude oneself.

Spoiler

Olimar's still going to save the metagame and we all know it.