The Official "Should/Will Metaknight be banned?" Thread (LISTEN TO THE SBR PODCAST!)

[GofG]

No, you just have to redefine what "win" is in that case. Is the goal to be up-b'd—

wait, you're a girl?

 

[VulgarHandGestures]

in skimming this topic, i am reminded of pablo picasso's guernica

EDIT: yeah, seriously hedgedawg. what the hell?

 

[Grunt]

He's gay.
BTW, play to win in anything you do.

god****it, where does my avatar keep going?

 

[VulgarHandGestures]

He's gay.
BTW, play to win in anything you do.

god****it, where does my avatar keep going?

i saw it before i refreshed the page. some bandit guy.

 

[brinboy789]

He's gay.
BTW, play to win in anything you do.

god****it, where does my avatar keep going?

girls cant be gay. theyre strait, lesbo, or bi. no gay

 

[Grunt]

it's stupid i have to re-upload it every time i log on.

girls cant be gay. theyre strait, lesbo, or bi. no gay

I'm sure you were trying to be funny, but ...
no.

 

[GofG]

soo much fail in soo few pixels.

 

[Yuna]

admitting you were proven wrong and being proven wrong are two different things. C'est la vie, I'm vindicated even if you won't give it to me.

I've admitted to being proven wrong in this thread quite a few times. Instead of repeatedly regurgitating this baseless accusation, why not go back and see for yourself?

use whatever word you want... does it matter or are you once again picking a non-important part of the post to draw attention away fromt he original part? THIS is what you do so often that makes you an absolute pain to read.

I almost always reply to every part of the post, be they unimportant or important. If something is wrong, I pick it apart. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

if they are wrong on some things does that make their little victories mean any less?

No, but the thing is that very few people actually win against me in debates. Because I very rarely debate things I do not have absolutely conviction I'm on the "right" side of (with the use of facts and evidence to back up by thesis).

that's the rosiest spin you can put on it and it still comes off making it look like he may very well be a yuna fanboy.

Or not. We barely ever see each other on Smashboards. He very rarely gets to see me debate nowadays. He just says that he'd take my word over a random guy's.

Why? Because he's seen me debate before, he knows my style. He knows my credibility. That's not automatically being a fanboy.

and he never said "most probably" which, even then, is favouritism because, how does he know anything about the other person. He said, essentially, "if yuna says it, I trust he's right".... am I wrong?

You asked whose word you'd take for the truth (I think, correct me if I'm wrong), mine or some random dudes. If he knows I'm credible and that other dude is a total unknown and we're debating, why would he not take my side? He knows I never debate things I do possess a lot of knowledge on, thus I am almost never plainly wrong.

It's called knowing which horse to bet on. Your definition of fanboyism is lacking.

I'd have to look it up... and my level of caring does not excede my level of laziness

"I can't prove my baseless and slanderous accusations right because I'm too lazy." - I'm just too lazy to look up something that could take hours, your would take but 30 minutes at most.

Go into my profile, go into my post history. Go wild.

fine. You are right. that doesn't change the fact that I had never seen it, thus my statement was not untrue.

Neither was mine. And I merely told you to read back a few pages to see my concessions (<-- right word?).

But the basis of my argument has been disproven so I drop it. I still think you are recalcitrant to admit defeat to the point that you are obstinant rather than steadfast, but, I digress THAT is a matter of opinion and hairsplitting not capable of being proven or falsified.

...
Did you just do something you were accusing me of in a single breath?

sarcasm and exargeration are nifty tools I like to use.

You should only use it when it's viable and isn't tantamount to lying.

you are better than most of the rabble here, I concede that and I can see that... but I still think your method needs work, for the reasons I've stated.

I never claimed I was perfect. You condemned me as if all I did was yell at my opponent just because you caught me being exceptionally passionate at da K.I.D. for repreating a grave mistake and acting like it's raining.

It might WORK that you demean your opposition, but that doesn't make it the right way to do it.

I never said it was the "right way". It's not "wrong".

because, in the end, you didn't prove you were right... you just distracted everyone from the point and intimidated those who might question you.

I proved you were wrong in your accusations. I never sought out to prove that "my way" is the "right way".

possibly. I'll assume you aren't lying.... though I can't see you "being nice" without being forcibly made to

I am nice to those I feel deserve it. Everyone starts out as a blank state, my niceness fades with each stupidity. Have you seem me, for instance, yell at GofG, even when we disagree? No, because I respect him and while I disagree with what he says sometimes, he says it in a very intelligent manner and backs his statements up with valid arguments and proof.

I can only try to prove him wrong or agree with him or agree to disagree.

no... I never said you were wrong. I never said anything about any specific point you were making in any argument.... just that I hated the way you debate.

Which is that the way I go about things is wrong.

umm... simon cowell bullies. he might often be right. but he's still a bully.

Stating the truth flat out, telling it like it is and being mercilessly honest is not necessarily bullying. Also, I said I'm "like the Simon Cowell..." not that I was "exactly like Simon Cowell". I meant the truth-telling and mercilessly honest part of him.

Yuna, you still haven't refuted anything I've said about you, so don't even go and act like you've won any of your arguments against me. That's pathetic.

Yes I did. You seem to believe I didn't. Let's ask Sonic The Hedgedawg what he thinks.

He's gay.

Oh my God, it's all becoming clear to me why Sonic The Hedgedawg is acting like a total ***** towards me! Gay rivalry!

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

He's gay.
BTW, play to win in anything you do.

god****it, where does my avatar keep going?

the rule may be play to win... but it's not always "do anything to win" there are guidlines to be followed sometimes.

in this case: proper debate ettiquette would be what is called for... even though I prbably just butchered the spelling of that word.

 

[GofG]

omg wat r u wearin sonic?

 

[Zankoku]

You fool! Ankoku is merely my puppet! I'm the master of the puppet master!

But I have no strings attached.

I think you should come here and attach them for me. <3

 

[Yuna]

in this case: proper debate ettiquette would be what is called for... even though I prbably just butchered the spelling of that word.

The thing is that I always show proper debate etiquette to anyone deserving of it. Everyone starts out deserving of it in my eyes. You make yourself undeserving the less etiquette and respect you show to me personally and your fellow SWF:ers.

But I have no strings attached.

I think you should come here and attach them for me. <3

My God, did I just trap you with that picture or something? And I'd love to! *starts hunting for plane tickets to Michigan*

 

[Zankoku]

My God, did I just trap you with that picture or something? And I'd love to! *starts hunting for plane tickets to Michigan*

No, I'm just an incorrigible tease. ^_^

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

GofG.... -_- you fail.

Oh my God, it's all becoming clear to me why Sonic The Hedgedawg is acting like a total ***** towards me! Gay rivalry!

I'm not going to repsond to your other points because you are either right or I don't care... but the reason I'm "acting like a total *****" towards you is because I genuinely don't agree with your methodology no matter who you or I may be.

The thing is that I always show proper debate etiquette to anyone deserving of it. Everyone starts out deserving of it in my eyes. You make yourself undeserving the less etiquette and respect you show to me personally and your fellow SWF:ers.

the right thing to do would be not to stoop to such levels as insults no matter who you are debating. and I disagree with you here.. I've seen YOU be the one to make things go sour... perhaps it was misread sarcasm, but when you come of like an *** so often, it's easy to misread.


and, for the record. I'm fiercer than you'll ever hope to be

*wonders what kind of reaction that will get*



but, I digress, this is so far from MK that it's just silly.

please. back on topic. I regret posting anything at all.

 

[GofG]

omg yuna and ankoku, wat r u wearin?

 

[Yuna]

No, I'm just an incorrigible tease. ^_^

So I'll have the "He was asking for it"-defense, I see.

On topic: Uhhh... Meta Knight has 55:45s against Snake and, um, who, Yoshi or something? Discuss!

 

[brinboy789]

But I have no strings attached.

I think you should come here and attach them for me. <3

hey ankonku can you tell us what the SBR is thinking on this topic? like are they in favor of the ban or not?

 

[GofG]

Mmmm...

YoshixSnake...

 

[VulgarHandGestures]

... jesus christ.

 

[GofG]

Ankonku > Ankoku.

 

[Chum]

Ankoku, your sig is like the best i've ever seen. Its awsome because its true. Hopefully MK doesn't turn out how ravager did

 

[Zankoku]

hey ankonku can you tell us what the SBR is thinking on this topic? like are they in favor of the ban or not?

We are discussing it. Opinions differ depending on region.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

So I'll have the "He was asking for it"-defense, I see.

On topic: Uhhh... Meta Knight has 55:45s against Snake and, um, who, Yoshi or something? Discuss!

and sadly those are his WORST matchups :D

 

[Foxy]

i heard yoshi goes 79:16 against mk

confirm/deny?

 

[Vulcan55]

Hay guise wat r goin on in this thrad.

 

[Grunt]

MK dittos are 55:45 in MK's favor.

Hay guise wat r goin on in this thrad.

a bunch of gay people teasing eachother.

 

[Yuna]

I'm not going to repsond to your other points because you are either right or I don't care...

Randomness added for lulz.

but the reason I'm "acting like a total *****" towards you is because I genuinely don't agree with your methodology no matter who you or I may be.

It was a joke. Also, I maintain that I've calmed down become much nicer lately and that it was just my having finally gotten fed up with da K.I.D.'s antics. If you'd just go back and re-read that exchange then maybe you'd understand where I was coming from.

and, for the record. I'm fiercer than you'll ever hope to be

*wonders what kind of reaction that will get*

As if. Fierce-off, now!

omg yuna and ankoku, wat r u wearin?

Boxers. Black ones. And a T-shirt 'cause it's October in Sweden.

We are discussing it. Opinions differ depending on region.

Ouh! On topic! Honey buns *squeezes them*, has there been any tentative polling done? Any trends? Is there a clear majority for either side? Small majority? 50/50-ish situation? Could it all be solved simply by me trapping everyone for distraction?

and sadly those are his WORST matchups :D

Reasonable chance of loss.

 

[brinboy789]

MK dittos are 55:45 in MK's favor.

a bunch of gay people teasing eachother.

its ok to be jealous. ALL dittos are 50:50 except for snake which is 51:49 (port priority)

i heard yoshi goes 79:16 against mk

confirm/deny?

DENY

 

[Yuna]

its ok to be jealous. ALL dittos are 50:50 except for snake which is 51:49 (port priority)

Or, say, Bowser.

 

[Vulcan55]

its ok to be jealous. ALL dittos are 50:50 except for snake which is 51:49 (port priority)

Sarcasm is lost over the internets.

 

[Grunt]

79:16 doesn't even add up.
XD

 

[Vulcan55]

79:16 doesn't even add up.
XD

The other 5 percent goes to Sakurai.
If MK is involved, Sakurai always wins.

 

[Zankoku]

It's more like Sakurai never loses.

Because in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, he intended for everyone to be a winner!

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Randomness added for lulz.

<_< really.... could you please stop smothering me with your ego? XD

It was a joke. Also, I maintain that I've calmed down become much nicer lately and that it was just my having finally gotten fed up with da K.I.D.'s antics. If you'd just go back and re-read that exchange then maybe you'd understand where I was coming from.

naw... not worth my time. I'll take your word

As if. Fierce-off, now!

heh... it'd be like a battle in which you are unarmed... I'm sorry I can't just trounce you in front of everyone... I have scruples.

Ouh! On topic! Honey buns *squeezes them*, has there been any tentative polling done? Any trends? Is there a clear majority for either side? Small majority? 50/50-ish situation? Could it all be solved simply by me trapping everyone for distraction?

I imagine it's to the point where opinions are strong enough that some tourneys are going to ban MK and some aren't.... is that accurate?

Reasonable chance of loss.

reasonable.... but not probable.

a charcter not-deserving of a ban should have SOME occasion where he's not the favourite.... otherwise there's no reason to play anyone else unless ALL of his advatages are slight

 

[Zankoku]

Ouh! On topic! Honey buns *squeezes them*, has there been any tentative polling done? Any trends? Is there a clear majority for either side? Small majority? 50/50-ish situation? Could it all be solved simply by me trapping everyone for distraction?

You'd have to ask Lord Supreme Captain Commander King Joshu for the details.

 

[Yuna]

heh... it'd be like a battle in which you are unarmed... I'm sorry I can't just trounce you in front of everyone... I have scruples..

Oh, it is on! Bring it!

I imagine it's to the point where opinions are strong enough that some tourneys are going to ban MK and some aren't.... is that accurate?

It's the SBR. They try to come to uniform decisions (guidelines) for all regions. To be a part of that, vote in their decisions and then turning around and going against them just because you disagree with them, well...

You'd have to ask Lord Supreme Captain Commander King Joshu for the details.

What?! I have to shamelessly flirt, trap and gayify yet someone else?! Pah!

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

Ok well the last thing related to MK being banned or not was that the metagame is not mature enough yet but I'm wondering what makes it so childish so to speak.

A lot of people mature faster than others and I think its the same with games. What would time add to the maturity of the metagame anyways? more ATs? that is never guaranteed to happen. More detailed match ups? At the rate things are going MK will only get better in his.

 

[Yuna]

A lot of people mature faster than others and I think its the same with games. What would time add to the maturity of the metagame anyways? more ATs? that is never guaranteed to happen. More detailed match ups? At the rate things are going MK will only get better in his.

More certainty that what we believe to be true now is actually true and not just what we think is true. New ATs aren't required. Simply rewriting of tactics and strategies might be sufficient.

 

[popsofctown]

Or, say, Bowser.

Sorry to smash up the kidding around, but the SBR official rules now dictate that Bowser is officially unaffected by port priority. If bowsercide ends the match, Bowser on top wins, no matter what.

Actually though, all explosives are involved in port priority. So Toon Link and maybe samus could have 51-49 dittos.

 

[Yuna]

Sorry to smash up the kidding around, but the SBR official rules now dictate that Bowser is officially unaffected by port priority. If bowsercide ends the match, Bowser on top wins, no matter what.

Good point. Then I say: Anyone in a teams match where random three-way grabs are involved!