The Official SBR Brawl Tier List v1.0

[Iron Mushroom]

ROFL, My mains are low tiers! I main Lucas, Ness and Sonic. My secondaries are Mario and Luigi ROFL again, all my characters I play as are sucky!

 

[Morrigan]

ROFL, My mains are low tiers! I main Lucas, Ness and Sonic. My secondaries are Mario and Luigi ROFL again, all my characters I play as are sucky!

Luigi disagrees. He's just ignored.

 

[Barge]

I expect a BIG change in the next version, so many stuff has been discovered its not even funny

 

[Morrigan]

I expect a BIG change in the next version, so many stuff has been discovered its not even funny

Discovered? Like...wavedash in brawl?
lolol

 

[Barge]

Discovered? Like...wavedash in brawl?
lolol

No, not hax.

hax will never affect this tier list.

I was talking more along the lines of matchups, potential, some AT's have been discovered, not that big of a deal, just minor ones. etc etc

 

[Ryusuta]

Discovered? Like...wavedash in brawl?
lolol

Dragonic reverse.... in a word, yes.

 

[Iron Mushroom]

Luigi disagrees. He's just ignored.

No one pays attention to Wee-gee!

 

[gantrain05]

No one pays attention to Wee-gee!

i play weegee, he's actually my falco and diddy counterpick, weegee is a very good character, we just need more ppl representing.

 

[Iron Mushroom]

A lot of characters are overrated, and a lot are underrated. That's just how it's going be

 

[hizzlum]

A lot of characters are overrated, and a lot are underrated. That's just how it's going be

What characters do you mean? If were alking characters that are actually n the metagame(characers that place well in tournies) MK and snake just dominate the rest of the cast in this broken game. Yes characters like Wario and lucario may seem underrated by the competitive smash community(not people who are on smash boards, people who actually go to in person tourneies,and weekly firnedlies at a college, which is what I do in norcal ) but in reality axis proved otherwise as futile got 2nd and is 2nd ranked in socal as the best wario in the US and lucario seems to be popping up everywhere with good tournament placement. Marth maybe overated on the boards, but in reality he is just missing a little bit to be in the top tier, in other words he is missing just a little bit to be able to win tournies like the rest of the top tier.
And really who cares abut who is underrated or overrated in the smash scene? If your just a smasher who plays at home it doesent matter at all, the comptetive tourney going community has shown that only a few can thrive in this mmetagame, and to tell you the truth, nothing could be more true. I used to main marth, but i realized that I was placing low beacuse my character is simply inferior to the top tier(and also wario, who will be in the top tier in the next list as his tourney results prove) so I switched to DDD and I actually place high. Your question has nothing to do with the catagorization of characters in this metagame, its simply a fanboy question, this thread has already gone to character specifics rather than disscussion on the actual tiers themselves and the evoluton of this metagame, so you might as well not post stupid comments like that and go to biweeklies like a true competive smasher and not talk about such frivilous topics.

 

[☆_Mutha-Foxin GangstaKirby_☆]

TR4Q!!!!!!!! every one whos posted on this thread ever just got hit with the classic controller

its all about the skills of the player not the characters come on wtf:

 

[Iron Mushroom]

What characters do you mean? If were alking characters that are actually n the metagame(characers that place well in tournies) MK and snake just dominate the rest of the cast in this broken game. Yes characters like Wario and lucario may seem underrated by the competitive smash community(not people who are on smash boards, people who actually go to in person tourneies,and weekly firnedlies at a college, which is what I do in norcal ) but in reality axis proved otherwise as futile got 2nd and is 2nd ranked in socal as the best wario in the US and lucario seems to be popping up everywhere with good tournament placement. Marth maybe overated on the boards, but in reality he is just missing a little bit to be in the top tier, in other words he is missing just a little bit to be able to win tournies like the rest of the top tier.
And really who cares abut who is underrated or overrated in the smash scene? If your just a smasher who plays at home it doesent matter at all, the comptetive tourney going community has shown that only a few can thrive in this mmetagame, and to tell you the truth, nothing could be more true. I used to main marth, but i realized that I was placing low beacuse my character is simply inferior to the top tier(and also wario, who will be in the top tier in the next list as his tourney results prove) so I switched to DDD and I actually place high. Your question has nothing to do with the catagorization of characters in this metagame, its simply a fanboy question, this thread has already gone to character specifics rather than disscussion on the actual tiers themselves and the evoluton of this metagame, so you might as well not post stupid comments like that and go to biweeklies like a true competive smasher and not talk about such frivilous topics.

Lucas=Underrated Marth=Overrated IMO

 

[gantrain05]

i think marth is fully capable of winning in a tourney environment, maybe not just playing as marth, like snake and meta mains can just play their one character and win, but maining someone else only requires you have counterpicks, i main 21 of the 35 characters, and not a single top tier character, and i do very well in tournies, it all comes down to counterpicks.

 

[Morrigan]

TR4Q!!!!!!!! every one whos posted on this thread ever just got hit with the classic controller

its all about the skills of the player not the characters come on wtf:

Yeah, but if a MK and a C.Falcon of the SAME skill level fight against each other. WHO WINS?

 

[Crackle]

I want an honest answer on my character pick of Mario.

Should I stick with him if I seem to use him just as well against my friend as I use Snake and/or Meta Knight?

Or would moving up in the tiers give me a better chance at tournament placing.

 

[gantrain05]

I want an honest answer on my character pick of Mario.

Should I stick with him if I seem to use him just as well against my friend as I use Snake and/or Meta Knight?

Or would moving up in the tiers give me a better chance at tournament placing.

my advice would be use who you are the most comfortable with, it doesn't matter their spot on the tier list if you don't like playing as them, mario is a capable character, u just gotta know when to counterpick.

 

[Snowstalker]

Any character can theoretically win tourneys. However, it would be best to counterpick for Mario's toughest matchups (Dedede, MK, GaW)

 

[PkTrainerCris]

The problem is that the best way to counter MK is play as MK :/

 

[UncleSam]

The problem is that the best way to counter MK is play as MK :/

weird but very true.

 

[Hyper_Ridley]

The problem is that the best way to counter MK is play as MK :/

Which is why MK is/was being considered for banning.


But otherwise, I agree with snowstalker. As long as you practice with a good counterpick character, you can pretty much main whoever you like.

 

[Barge]

In recent tournaments not as many metaknights are in the top 10's nowadays

 

[Steel]

There was ONE meta knight main in the tourny i was at last night, and it was really fun.

Not saying meta shouldn't be banned, just saying it's a lot more fun without him. Fun tournies are good amirite??

 

[Brinzy]

Honestly, this thread should shut up with "TR4Q" one day.

Anyway, I haven't read most of this thread for obvious reasons. Is anyone looking to move down a tier?

 

[Barge]

Honestly, this thread should shut up with "TR4Q" one day.

Anyway, I haven't read most of this thread for obvious reasons. Is anyone looking to move down a tier?

Possibly bowser, who said he was above peach?

 

[cman]

In recent tournaments not as many metaknights are in the top 10's nowadays

Possibly the "Let's threaten to ban him so people go back to their other characters because they anticipate a ban" effect?

 

[Morrigan]

Possibly bowser, who said he was above peach?

For some reason the SBR loves Bowser, unless he does terrible the next months (more than he is doing now), I don't think they'll move him to Low. I can see him below Ike. I see Peach in top of Mid or bottom of High in the next years

 

[gantrain05]

For some reason the SBR loves Bowser, unless he does terrible the next months (more than he is doing now), I don't think they'll move him to Low. I can see him below Ike. I see Peach in top of Mid or bottom of High in the next years

i see potential in bowser as being decent, but putting him above peach just doesn't seem right, especially now after all the breakthru's of all the peach mains, i can definatly see her somewhere in high tier in the near future.

 

[DADdedede]

i agree, peach is a lot better than bowser, and she will definately be moving up the tier list

 

[Justblaze647]

i agree, peach is a lot better than bowser, and she will definately be moving up the tier list

Quoted for Truth

 

[Metro Knight]

Link, Sonic, Peach, Olimar, Mario, Sheik, and Captain Falcon should all be a few places higher. They all have some subtle advantages that some how make them place higher in tournaments.
Maybe, they are just placing well in smaller tournaments where you don't have as much of a Metafactor, but they are still doing a lot better than the tier list would suggest.

 

[PKNintendo]

Was Marth's Chain grab included in Ness tier placement?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Yes, that is one of the reasons he is so low, and the fact that his recovery is bad (obvious). Yeah he'd be higher if Marth couldn't infinite him.

 

[PKNintendo]

Yes, that is one of the reasons he is so low, and the fact that his recovery is bad (obvious). Yeah he'd be higher if Marth couldn't infinite him.

Um he can't though. It's a CHAIN GRAB! With Super grab break (found by Ref I believe) You can escape with 15% from the grab and get hit by downsmash (guaranteed)

Does everyone in the backroom honestly think that Ness is infinited by Marth?

In case you wanted to know the Super grab break is done by spinning the control stick and flicking the C-stick.

Seriously, I think Ness deserves low mid, per see since the infinite is a bust. And I can't believe someone posted that Ness is CG by everyone! Lame.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

i think marth is fully capable of winning in a tourney environment, maybe not just playing as marth, like snake and meta mains can just play their one character and win, but maining someone else only requires you have counterpicks, i main 21 of the 35 characters, and not a single top tier character, and i do very well in tournies, it all comes down to counterpicks.

How is Marth capable of winning tourneys not going Marth? then he wouldn't be Marth. And Marth is on top of high tier so there should be no disputes over whether or not he can place well in tournaments. He was also 7th on Ankoku's thread before it was closed.


And it is not a chain grab. That is a name that some people call it. It is really called a grab release infinite. And I think that you can ask the SBR if they knew about that and if it actually works if you want to know that, because on the Marth Boards' character matchup thread for Ness, we had Ness mains there, and no one said anything about it, PKNintendo. I believe I even saw you there (although I may be wrong there) and we put that matchup at 70-30 with no Ness main disputes.

 

[MBlaze]

Mario really deserves mid.

 

[kr3wman]

Um he can't though. It's a CHAIN GRAB! With Super grab break (found by Ref I believe) You can escape with 15% from the grab and get hit by downsmash (guaranteed)

Does everyone in the backroom honestly think that Ness is infinited by Marth?

In case you wanted to know the Super grab break is done by spinning the control stick and flicking the C-stick.

Seriously, I think Ness deserves low mid, per see since the infinite is a bust. And I can't believe someone posted that Ness is CG by everyone! Lame.

Just because Ness can be ''infinited'' with Marth doesn't mean he lower on the list for that. Yes, his matchup with Marth will be lowered, but you still have to account for all the other matchups. And beside, it's not like Marth's matchup with Ness wasn't good without the CG.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Just because Ness has an infinite with Marth doesn't mean he lower on the list for that. Yes, his matchup with Marth will be lowered, but you still have to account for all the other matchups. And beside, it's not like Marth's matchup with Ness wasn't good without the CG.

Yes but since Marth as an infinite on him, ANYONE can pick up Marth to CP Ness and just grab him once per stock and win the match. That is why he is that low IMO.

 

[PKNintendo]

How is Marth capable of winning tourneys not going Marth? then he wouldn't be Marth. And Marth is on top of high tier so there should be no disputes over whether or not he can place well in tournaments. He was also 7th on Ankoku's thread before it was closed.


And it is not a chain grab. That is a name that some people call it. It is really called a grab release infinite. And I think that you can ask the SBR if they knew about that and if it actually works if you want to know that, because on the Marth Boards' character matchup thread for Ness, we had Ness mains there, and no one said anything about it, PKNintendo. I believe I even saw you there (although I may be wrong there) and we put that matchup at 70-30 with no Ness main disputes.

I KNOW. But it's not an infinite. It has nothing to do with the matchup, and even on the thread people have discussed that it WASN'T an infinite. Just a CG (if you escaped it properly) It's a sad misconception that I doubt will be fixed. Maybe in 3 years.

Yoshi grab releases Wario (ZSS too) Wario cannot do much about. Ness moves backwards when Marth releases and must be regrabbed by MOVING (if you perform the Super grab break) of you don't, than Marth can regrab you standing still.

 

[Steel]

Um he can't though. It's a CHAIN GRAB! With Super grab break (found by Ref I believe) You can escape with 15% from the grab and get hit by downsmash (guaranteed)

Does everyone in the backroom honestly think that Ness is infinited by Marth?

In case you wanted to know the Super grab break is done by spinning the control stick and flicking the C-stick.

Seriously, I think Ness deserves low mid, per see since the infinite is a bust. And I can't believe someone posted that Ness is CG by everyone! Lame.

Wow, you sure are uptight about this. Weren't you the one complaining about it in the match up thread? It's such a big deal AMIRITE??

Ness is low tier because he's not a very good character. His tools don't allow him to compete with the better characters.

 

[PKNintendo]

Yes but since Marth as an infinite on him, ANYONE can pick up Marth to CP Ness and just grab him once per stock and win the match. That is why he is that low IMO.

They cannot, since the skill they need to invest with Marth is decent. I've beaten plenty of players this way. Again. It. Is. Not. An. Infinite.

You CAN escape it.

Thanks again to Ref for this. You can always rely on him for new stuff.

This is AMAZINGLY useful. It heavily decreases the amount of damage you take from a deathgrab, maximizes your distance, and can support surprise breaks. You may get grab released earlier than the opponent may expect and they may mess up with the next grab or pummelling.

Now remember the science behind grab breaks. Every button press makes you get closer to the grab break, and so does every rotation of the control stick. The C-stick really helps for some reason also, probably because it is inputting 2 commands at once.

To do it, have the C-stick set to specials or smashes (tilts may also work). Now rapidly spin the control stick smoothly, and tap the C-stick repeatedly. Remember to let the C-stick go back to the neutral position. I reccommend flicking the C-stick. If you B-stick (and probably if you tilt also), you have to smash the stick to maximize the effect.

Spin control stick and flick C-stick, got it?

And remember to use this even outside of the deathgrab. It could make people overestimate how long they can pummel you and allow you to escape a throw.

Im uptight because of the misinformed messages people give out about Ness. What would you do Steel? Is it wrong that I m giving out a general message that this isn't an infinite? I know the matchup is stacked against Ness, im not changing the matchup. It's an ASPECT of the matchup that has me worked up.

If MK had CG on Marth, but is was overrated and mutated into an infinite, it would take MONTHS to change that it ISN'T an infinite but a CG.

Long story short. Im disappointed at Ness placement, but I think he can do better.