The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v2.0

[Silent Beast]

Question:

When voting, what are the advantages of splitting the characters into 15 groups? That seems awkward to me. While having groups lets you put characters that you think are about equal together, having a set number of groups ties your hands a bit. Let's say you can comfortably separate the characters into 20 groups, but since you are only allowed 15, you have trouble deciding on which groups to combine. The same would apply if you had fewer than 15 groups (only you'd have to split some groups up).

Wouldn't it be easier if you just ranked them 1-37? That way, you wouldn't have to artificially split the characters into groups that you might not believe to exist. Besides, if you truly believe that two (or more) characters are equal, couldn't you just submit your list saying that they're tied and give them equal points?

 

[bigman40]

Anyone reading this thread want popcorn? I've also got a few nice comfy spots on my couch.

Go work on your Sonic! You still bluff too **** much

 

[Ripple]

They Forgot Mewtwo Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[illinialex24]

Please, explain to me how this list is factually incorrect when it was taken from tournament results? Did people lie about tournament results to get their pixel character higher on a list for a game? Hardly. I don't think the creators of the tier list just decided to take random information and make it official. They must have based it off of something....and it was probably something like....oh yes! Tournament results! Unless you also care to explain how results are not legitimate.

At this stage in the game, as I HAVE MENTIONED MANY TIMES, tournament results are a terrible way to solely base the tier list. Do it as a hybrid of popularity and tournament results (like Sonic who has fairly good placing but isn't great, just has an insane number of mains for his level) and potential. More so potential at this time.

 

[RDK]

Tier lists aren't based 100% off tournament results, nor are they based 100% off of character matchups and potential. It's a mix of those, not to mention opinions by SBR members.

If your'e going to continue to piss and moan about how unfair your main's placement is, do us all a favor. Shut up and start winning tournaments with him. Useless whining is useless, and it makes you look like a bunch of 12 year olds.

 

[Umby]

Go work on your Sonic! You still bluff too **** much

Meanwhile, you work on your Fox in Melee.

 

[Red Arremer]

Anyone reading this thread want popcorn? I've also got a few nice comfy spots on my couch.

*shares coke with and makes comfortable on couch* Thanks.

As I already said in the Tier List 1-thread... far more entertaining to watch this thread than any TV Show EVER could be.

 

[risemix]

Tier lists aren't based 100% off tournament results, nor are they based 100% off of character matchups and potential. It's a mix of those, not to mention opinions by SBR members.

If your'e going to continue to piss and moan about how unfair your main's placement is, do us all a favor. Shut up and start winning tournaments with him. Useless whining is useless, and it makes you look like a bunch of 12 year olds.

FYI, ZSS isn't my main, she's just beast and this list is hilariously bad.

 

[Umby]

*shares coke with and makes comfortable on couch* Thanks.

As I already said in the Tier List 1-thread... far more entertaining to watch this thread than any playing Brawl EVER could be.

Fixed for my own humor.

 

[rehab]

Wario for...E tier?

lol

 

[Adapt]

*shares coke with and makes comfortable on couch* Thanks.

As I already said in the Tier List 1-thread... far more entertaining to watch this thread than any TV Show EVER could be.

Mind if I join you? I can bring some cookies. Everyone loves cookies!

I agree with what you said in the v1.0 topic, that months down the line this topic will still be good for a laugh, but you have to admit, the first couple days are truly the best.

 

[Barge]

FYI, ZSS isn't my main, she's just beast and this list is hilariously bad.

Yet you give no point as to why its hilariously bad.
You give no reason as to why a certain character is too high or too low. They spent over 4 months on this list.

 

[Browny]

I dare an SBRB member to give a reasonable and well thought out explanation as to why tourney results had such large influences for some characters (like falco) while Sonics tourneys counted for nothing.

Dont hurt yourselves trying to do the numbers

BTW im not that fussed over sonics placings, i wouldnt put him much higher anyway. Its just laughable that you can claim tourney results had an impact on this list and that low tier mains should prove why their character isnt bad through tournaments.

 

[Umby]

Mind if I join you? I can bring some cookies. Everyone loves cookies!

I agree with what you said in the v1.0 topic, that months down the line this topic will still be good for a laugh, but you have to admit, the first couple days are truly the best.

Especially for the people who couldn't WAIT for the list to come out, only to shit bricks at what they see.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

(like Sonic who has fairly good placing but isn't great, just has an insane number of mains for his level)

Nooooooooooooooo.

Sonic only has about a dozen GOOD mains, and only half of those place consistently.

He's doing well becuase he's been placing better in more important tourneys.

And we can end this silly "tournament=tier list" argument right now with this:

B Rank <Standard> 17.70%
10 Ice Climbers (7 top8, 2 top2, 4 wins) - 70.6 - 16
10 ROB (13 top8, 7 top4, 1 win) - 70.6 - 11
10 Sonic (3 top8, 4 top4, 2 top2, 2 wins) - 58.8 - 18
10 Olimar (9 top8, 6 top4, 4 top2) - 54.1 - 9

14 Peach (3 top8, 1 top4, 1 top2, 2 wins) - 42.5 - 13
14 Lucario (5 top8, 1 top4, 3 top2, 1 win) - 40.3 - 8

16 Pikachu (5 top8, 2 top4, 3 top2, 1 win) - 36.5 - 15
16 Mr. Game & Watch (10 top8, 4 top4, 2 wins) - 35.9 - 6
16 Zelda/Sheik (5 top8, 3 top4, 1 top2, 1 win) - 34.8 - 20 :shiek:

Sonic should be B tier by this list, and G&W should be hovering above C tier.

Which clearly isn't the case.

The rankings list is flawed right now, anyways.

 

[MyNameIsRyan]

Wolf went down, Wario is still 8th, and Falcon is still bottom :U

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

olimar should be higher.........

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Sonic who has fairly good placing but isn't great, just has an insane number of mains for his level

Less than others in his placing area.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Tier lists aren't based 100% off tournament results, nor are they based 100% off of character matchups and potential. It's a mix of those, not to mention opinions by SBR members.

If your'e going to continue to piss and moan about how unfair your main's placement is, do us all a favor. Shut up and start winning tournaments with him. Useless whining is useless, and it makes you look like a bunch of 12 year olds.

I don't know RDK considering that Sonic has risen and has moved up at best 2 spots, I cant help but feel some curiosity as to how the tier list is made.
I mean if a character is showing that they are doing better then that should account for it.

Also illianex, Sonic is not a very popular character nationally. I think he is popular in the smaller pools but outside of those he doesn't see as much play as a number of characters. and we also know that popularity is never enough to contribute such a skew to results. Look at Link and Captain falcon in melee, they both so incredible amounts of play but their tournament results just didn't reflect the increase in mains.

So no, popularity has little to do with his tournament placings especially considering that when you look at the tournament placings, you don't have many different sonic users showing up either.

So even if MK was the least popular character, you would still see him winning alot of the time.
Hell i tihnk Snake is like 9th popularity wise but he is 2nd in tournament results.
good characters place well.

 

[bigman40]

Meanwhile, you work on your Fox in Melee.

Rather work on my Mario. I only use Fox to get my tech skill better lol.

 

[Barge]

Nooooooooooooooo.

Sonic only has about a dozen GOOD mains, and only half of those place consistently.

He's doing well becuase he's been placing better in more important tourneys.

And we can end this silly "tournament=tier list" argument right now with this:



Sonic should be B tier by this list, and G&W should be hovering above C tier.

Which clearly isn't the case.

That's only a months worth of data =/

 

[Umby]

Rather work on my Mario. I only use Fox to get my tech skill better lol.

Sounds like a john for not getting better with Fox.

 

[Red Arremer]

And we can end this silly "tournament=tier list" argument right now with this:


Sonic should be B tier by this list, and G&W should be hovering above C tier.

Which clearly isn't the case.

Thanks for this post. And... Your sig is awesome. <3

olimar should be higher.........

I love people like you. lmao

Why do you think he should be higher? Because then you can say "Look, I have the Xth best character as my main!"? Olimar is probably one of the few characters who are placed REALLY perfectly. I can't see him moving up more than those 8 positions he made now. Olimar is good, but he's never ever going to A Tier.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

That's only a months worth of data =/

True but it still points out that result for result Sonic is placing better than say GaW.

 

[Ishiey]

Anyone reading this thread want popcorn? I've also got a few nice comfy spots on my couch.

Sorry I'm late, room for one more?

 

[Oblique]

Mario should be higher at least a little. Personally I'm happy Mario went up.

 

[Tianxiazhai]

Im Curious as to what raised olimar so much....

 

[ROOOOY!]

Although Barge, Sonic has still placed highly on past lists.

He placed 18th in the Fall one, and 22nd (?) in the one before.

That =/= 7th worst character in the game.

As much as I don't really care about the list, I'm interested as to why Sonic has been put down there, even with his waaaaay above average tourney results, whilst Falco's recent rise in the Ranking's has put him 3rd.

 

[Atomsk_92]

olimar should be much higher

 

[Browny]

That's only a months worth of data =/

No, Sonic has been rank 18th or higher for about 4 consecutive months. december just happens to be the highest hes ever been.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

That's only a months worth of data =/

And even then, Sonic has been placing consistently at 18th for the past couple months, but he obviously isn't 16th in this tier list. And Falcon was ahead a few characters in the rankings, but as you can see, he's ahead of no one in this tier list.

The point is, if we're going by tourney results only, we'd have to ignore a large amount of what the characters have to offer aside from that, like matchups and move potential. Which the SBR have to take into account.



It's sad to see Wolf go down, but the SBR probably have their reasons.

 

[risemix]

Yet you give no point as to why its hilariously bad.
You give no reason as to why a certain character is too high or too low. They spent over 4 months on this list.

Poor babies.

I'm not impressed.

I'm pretty convinced that nothing I can say here is going to change anything, but what is problematic to me:

1. This voting process was pretty outrageous. The fact that there was even a vote to begin with is stupid, but putting them on a list and averaging their scores? The ****ing Gideon Bible is more scientific than this.

2. Multiple characters who frequently have strong showings at tournaments are placing low because less people play those characters so there's less opportunity for them to place high. Do you know how many tier whores play Snake and R.O.B. (oh, I'm sorry, used to play R.O.B., he's only B Tier now lolololzzzz).

 

[bigman40]

Sounds like a john for not getting better with Fox.

You're right, but it's also not that hard since His playstyle (IMO, so no one else needs to jump on my ***) is pretty straightforward. If I take Melee seriously like I did when I got into competitive gaming, I'd be pretty set in about 3 months.

 

[Umby]

Sorry I'm late, room for one more?

No doubt. This show's just started. We've got Coke, popcorn, and cookies.

 

[Vyse]

Jesus, 39 pages already?

=_=

 

[Barge]

Im Curious as to what raised olimar so much....

Insane grabs and grab range, powerful and spammable smashes, great strings, one of the best campers, his recovery isn't as bad as it seems on paper, SA frames w/ whistle. Great matchups, most of his bad ones are only 6-4, only a few 3-7's. You can enter a tournament with him without needing a secondary, if only for a few characters. And great tournament placings.
He's a great character overall who was thought to be average at first.

 

[illinialex24]

olimar should be much higher

True, so should Yoshi and Jigglypuff. King Dedede, Ness, Lucas, Link and Sheik should go down. And King Dedede not by much. Like 1 spot or 2.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Although Barge, Sonic has still placed highly on past lists.

He placed 18th in the Fall one, and 22nd (?) in the one before.

That =/= 7th worst character in the game.

As much as I don't really care about the list, I'm interested as to why Sonic has been put down there, even with his waaaaay above average tourney results, whilst Falco's recent rise in the Ranking's has put him 3rd.

Remember when Sonic was beating Falco? That was neat. XD

 

[Fabian the Fastman]

Insane grabs and grab range, powerful and spammable smashes, great strings, one of the best campers, his recovery isn't as bad as it seems on paper, SA frames w/ whistle. Great matchups, most of his bad ones are only 6-4, only a few 3-7's. You can enter a tournament with him without needing a secondary, if only for a few characters. And great tournament placings.
He's a great character overall who was thought to be average at first.

That's Kirby's story too (minus the recovery part) =O

 

[Ishiey]

No doubt. This show's just started. We've got Coke, popcorn, and cookies.

Awesome. *Takes a seat on the couch, opens a can of Coke, sets up a footrest, and proceeds to enjoy the thread*