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Everyone missed my entire point. I don't care about being PRed. However, either MM's count as competitive play, or it doesn't no middle ground.
MMS do count as competitive play, but you don't need to play competitively three times to be considered eligible for the PR. We shouldn't have to state that it's a pr for people who actively go to tournaments, because I don't think there's any PR that lets people get a few MMs in, go to maybe one or two tournaments(unless the scene is just that inactive), and then let them on their PR. I'll say we don't make exceptions as well lol. Maybe you and the last panel made exceptions and that's fine and whatever, but I have no idea how you've already gotten some idea that we are going to be making exceptions lol. This is a new panel and I would hope that we can keep from looking as messy as the last one did lol. I think Vengeance may have been dropped after that whole college tournament nonsense when we restarted the thread and what not.
Ummmm this is a discussion thread, discussion is fair game here. I can bring up anything that i think is worth discussion. I don't know where you think you get this authoritative power to tell me or anyone what they can talk about, or tell people that their opinions do not matter. It honestly semi concerns me if you are on the panel for the state because that attitude is not conducive to a good community. I actually have no idea what makes you think you can talk down to people regardless of what you do.Judo, you're arguing a point that doesn't matter anymore. We're not the old panel. I don't know what they were doing, but it's not what we're going to do. Anything about Kero getting on it when he shouldn't be on it or S2 being a HM is BS at this point. Stop bringing it up.
We didn't miss your point at all. You're ignoring ours. Go to 3 tournaments or you're not on the PR. Money matches will count after that. If it wasn't obvious that the ranking is for tournament players, then that sucks. It honestly should have been common sense.
Money matches are competitive, but they don't count as tournaments. I already explained why they don't. More data needed and such.
Judo I'll ask you again. Please stop bringing this up. It's a stupid argument to make, and I'm pretty sure you're not going to change anyone's mind on this. Yes, I'm going to say this every time you bring this up until you stop bringing it up. Please stop bringing it up :|.
I also can't seem to find the part where you say we won't be making exceptions. O-o Out of those 3 more "experienced" people you listed you're the only one who disagrees with us. :o
I checked his posts, and he never said that at all. I thought the same thing. He straight up said that we do make exceptions. Thank god he's not on the panel :|.but don't say we don't make exceptions, cause we do.
That's probably the most misleading thing you could've said if you were trying to say we wouldn't make exceptions lol.
What does "we" imply? Wouldn't i have to be included in a "we" statement. Am i in this panel? No therefore I am obviously not referring to the current panel. Why would I be you guys already told me I'm not. I'm surprised you guys didn't deduce that from the conversation considering you guys are so adamant that you have followed all of it. No we did make exceptions, if we were still on the panel we might still make exceptions. But we are not. Please stop being so smug and talking as if I don't know what I'm talking about.Lol. Do you not know that I'm Joey and that I've been in the community since mid-2008? o_O'. Unless you mean pre-brawl in which case okay.
Discussion is fine. I'm not reporting you for bringing the argument up, and of course I can't force you to stop bringing it up. I'm saying that it's a dumb argument to make, we have criteria for a reason, and it's obnoxious to read at this point.
Also, you clearly said that "we make exceptions." You even said so in the post that Ralph was referring to in the paragraph:
"As Kero said, the last PR we had Kero went to 1 tournament for that season, he didn't meet the criterion at all, but it didn't matter because we all knew he was second best, we weren't wrong nor did we need more data. These things are pretty obvious when you approach the top of the list. I'm not saying this applies to me, but don't say we don't make exceptions, cause we do."
In that, you're saying that we make exceptions. Ralph was saying that we're a completely different panel, therefore we won't be making any exceptions. This is simple, yes? Even if you're not referring to yourself (If you're not, then I don't even know why you're making this argument exist at this point), it still stands that we're not making an exception for anyone. Go to 3 tournaments if you want to be on the PR. "You" being anyone and everyone in KY.
Don't really know why you're bringing up older players in our community anyways. Casey is an older player, I'm an older player... You don't have to be in a scene for four years to know that making exceptions on a Power Ranking is stupid and pointless, and it's why we have criteria for being on the PR now. We're going to stand by that criteria and that's that.
I'm asking you to leave this argument. Discussing things is fine. Having an opinion is also fine. Making this stupid argument and trying to drag it out way farther than it needs to go is obnoxious. We have criteria for a reason. Meet the criteria or you're not on the PR. It's pretty simple. Please stop bringing this up. It's a stupid argument to make, and you're not going to change our mind on this.
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I checked his posts, and he never said that at all. I thought the same thing. He straight up said that we do make exceptions. Thank god he's not on the panel :|.
I could have missed a post with him saying that we won't make exceptions, but I'm 95% sure that I didn't.
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How can you know that making exceptions for this particular instance is stupid when this instance hasn't even occured yet. How do you know making exceptions for this particular panel is stupid? Do you have any past instances with this panel to indicate it would be stupid? Of course not that's impossible, because this panel for this PR has never existed before now. I don't even know the rationale behind your first few sentences. Like you have no ground on the claim that making an exception for this PR is stupid. It may seem stupid, you may have a lot of evidence indicating it is LIKELY to be stupid, but you can't just make the dobtless claim.Lets just say that we're not arguing making an exception for you specifically. We're talking about in general.
We never said that making exceptions with regards to anything outside of the PR is stupid. Neither of us are that shallow minded. We're talking about with this PR and this PR alone. Exceptions with this PR are stupid and won't be made for anyone.
We simply won't be having any exceptions when it comes to this PR. If it drives players away knowing that they will actually have to meet the criteria to get on the PR, then that sucks for them I guess. Same thing for rules in tournaments. If a person gets DQ'd due to breaking rules and then leaves the community due to that... sucks for them. Catering to the people shouldn't take priority over catering to the people that follow rules. If Spec was the one being coached, then sucks for him. If he wasn't the one being coached and still lost and couldn't have a rematch, then that's Chi's fault for making a poor decision. It happens, though.
You're getting your point across poorly here if Ralph and I are coming to the same conclusion.
Lets go through some sentence analysis
"but don't say we don't make exceptions, cause we do."
Regarding "we": No one ever said the old panel didn't make exceptions, therefore it can't be the old panel specifically.
With this little thought alone, it is pretty easy to assume that "we" would either refer to the Kentucky Smash Community as a whole (which includes the new panel) or Ralph along with myself (which includes the new panel).
I didn't miss anything with my check-through, you're just not being clear enough.
It's stupid to make exceptions, because you either have to do it for everyone(Why bother having a criteria at that point?), or you won't do it for everyone and that's not really fair for everyone. Also I don't think we have to have been in that situation to know it's stupid lol. I haven't murdered anyone before, but I know that it's pretty stupid to do and i'm not going to do so just to double check lol.
Feels like we're getting trolled lol.
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No exceptions are not stupid. Everything is not cut and dry. It is anyone in charges job to make a judgement call. Sometimes the only way to do the right thing is to make an exception.It's stupid to make exceptions, because you either have to do it for everyone(Why bother having a criteria at that point?), or you won't do it for everyone and that's not really fair for everyone. Also I don't think we have to have been in that situation to know it's stupid lol. I haven't murdered anyone before, but I know that it's pretty stupid to do and i'm not going to do so just to double check lol.
He was just giving another example that is comparable to this PR situation and just saying that if someone really wants to leave, because they don't want to follow rules that's on them. I'm pretty sure that poor decision was more by not stating the rules on coaching more clearly than not making an exception lololol.
I have no idea how we were supposed to understand that when you said we you meant the old panel without stating so specifically.
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Because i make it far enough in tournament to not want to crew battle at 11 at night lol
