The Official Geno Thread

[Smooth Criminal]

Well, considering that LoZ is a GAME that has a PLOT and that you are bringing an IRRELEVANT detail to the fore here...then hmmmm. I was speaking of the story and the degree of importance to the story, not genre. Get your **** straight, son.

And think what you will. If you wanna kill yourself because I was stating an opinion, be my guest. One less idiot for me to worry about. However, if you wanna come up with a GOOD counterpoint aside from saying "Well, Geno is simply too unimportant to the Mario franchise to matter" then fire away. I'm waiting for you to change my mind, because your rebuke didn't do it.

That's all part of debate, kid. Trying to get the other guy to change his mind with the power of persuasion.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Loooooni]

nice could't have said it better myself.

 

[Harry Megamix]

Geno wouldn't represent the Mario franchise. He would represent Mario RPG

So you're saying that SMRPG--one game--should be represented in a Nintendo cross-over fighting game between Nintendo gaming icons? Geno is hardly an icon. Half of the gaming community doesn't even know who he is.

Pit and the IC's are different. They were on classic Nintendo consoles, and are a special part of Nintendo history. Geno isn't.

 

[Enigma14]

Well, considering that LoZ is a GAME that has a PLOT and that you are bringing an IRRELEVANT detail to the fore here...then hmmmm. I was speaking of the story and the degree of importance to the story, not genre. Get your **** straight, son.

And think what you will. If you wanna kill yourself because I was stating an opinion, be my guest. One less idiot for me to worry about. However, if you wanna come up with a GOOD counterpoint aside from saying "Well, Geno is simply too unimportant to the Mario franchise to matter" then fire away. I'm waiting for you to change my mind, because your rebuke didn't do it.

That's all part of debate, kid. Trying to get the other guy to change his mind with the power of persuasion.

Smooth Criminal

Character wise without Geno you'd be lost as to the function of the star pieces are and as to why the bad guys want them to destroy them. Ironically Geno gives that info BUT that is the very reason as to how the game gets is plot later. So character wise

Zelda is important to her franchise

Geno is important for collecting the stars and causing the plot to unfold as to the why of the star pieces

so...

Geno 4 Brawl!

 

[Enigma14]

So you're saying that SMRPG--one game--should be represented in a Nintendo cross-over fighting game between Nintendo gaming icons? Geno is hardly an icon. Half of the gaming community doesn't even know who he is.

Funny how you put gaming-cross-over and nintendo icons...Are Snake and Sonic nintendo gaming icons? Is megaman?

On the otherhand at least Geno is Nintendo a nintendo related character. And unlike Waluigi I wouldn't want to stick him in lame filler games.

 

[Eternal Neo]

So you're saying that SMRPG--one game--should be represented in a Nintendo cross-over fighting game between Nintendo gaming icons? Geno is hardly an icon. Half of the gaming community doesn't even know who he is.

Pit and the IC's are different. They were on classic Nintendo consoles, and are a special part of Nintendo history. Geno isn't.

I'm pretty sure most people consider the SNES to be a pretty classic system. And being a special part of nintendo's history is just your opinion. I'm willing to bet that more people have played and have fond memories of Mario RPG than Kid Icarus or Ice Climber. This is supported by how many people want SMRPG on the VC and how many people want Geno in Brawl.

 

[Harry Megamix]

"Well, Geno is simply too unimportant to the Mario franchise to matter"

He IS too unimportant to the franchse to matter. It seems like you're just shying away from the argument at hand. I still don't see how you answered any of my points.

The LoZ analogy is moot at this point. The discussion is about Geno, and his unfitness for Brawl.

 

[Enigma14]

He IS too unimportant to the franchse to matter. It seems like you're just shying away from the argument at hand. I still don't see how you answered any of my points.

The LoZ analogy is moot at this point. The discussion is about Geno, and his unfitness for Brawl.

He is important for the star themes in later Paper and Mario bros RPGS games.

 

[Loooooni]

Pit and the IC's are different. They were on classic Nintendo consoles, and are a special part of Nintendo history. Geno isn't.

So you're saying that the SNES was not a classic console. Pffft you jsut killed yourself.

 

[Harry Megamix]

Funny how you put gaming-cross-over and nintendo icons...Are Snake and Sonic nintendo gaming icons? Is megaman?

No. But they ARE important to not only the console that they're on, but their franchises.

Try again.

On the otherhand at least Geno is Nintendo a nintendo related character. And unlike Waluigi I wouldn't want to stick him in lame filler games.

Something we actually agree on. Waluigi would be possibly the worst character addition Sakurai could make.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So you're saying that SMRPG--one game--should be represented in a Nintendo cross-over fighting game between Nintendo gaming icons? Geno is hardly an icon. Half of the gaming community doesn't even know who he is.

Pit and the IC's are different. They were on classic Nintendo consoles, and are a special part of Nintendo history. Geno isn't.



He IS too unimportant to the franchse to matter. It seems like you're just shying away from the argument at hand. I still don't see how you answered any of my points.

The LoZ analogy is moot at this point. The discussion is about Geno, and his unfitness for Brawl.

1) Try and counter Smooth...

2) Geno was only in 1 game, but it was a BIG game...it basically was the peak of Nintendo and Square's relationship before all the **** happened to Nintendo in the N64 days...

It litereally was the final product of Nintendo's glory days...

Geno also represents and symbol of Square-Nintendo relationship, seeing as fans manifested HIM alone to represent a game that had influence on them enough to one day rise up and fight with insane passion for their character to be reborn once again! In Brawl!

Your simply saying that their passion, dedication, and patience up until now means nothing simply because YOU don't like the character?

 

[Enigma14]

No. But they ARE important to not only the console that they're on, but their franchises.

Yet you said important-fighting-nintendo wise



Something we actually agree on. Waluigi would be possibly the worst character addition Sakurai could make.

Sonic important, to which system?

 

[Enigma14]

1) Try and counter Smooth...

2) Geno was only in 1 game, but it was a BIG game...it basically was the peak of Nintendo and Square's relationship before all the **** happened to Nintendo in the N64 days...

It litereally was the final product of Nintendo's glory days...

Geno also represents and symbol of Square-Nintendo relationship, seeing as fans manifested HIM alone to represent a game that had influence on them enough to one day rise up and fight with insane passion for their character to be reborn once again! In Brawl!

Your simply saying that their passion, dedication, and patience up until now means nothing simply because YOU don't like the character?

If the flamer doesnt want to learn let him but im going to argue with him that Geno is worthy and important.

Also seeing as how Nintendo and Square have a good realtionship at the moment I can defintally see Geno in Brawl.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

So you're saying that SMRPG--one game--should be represented in a Nintendo cross-over fighting game between Nintendo gaming icons? Geno is hardly an icon. Half of the gaming community doesn't even know who he is.

I'll shrug at your assumption that I support Geno. My support for the character's inclusion in Brawl is haphazard at best and for the reasons that you just stated. He's obfuscated by every other Nintendo star ever put forth by the company. However, he does have a place on Sakurai's poll and, by extension, a place in the realm of possibility. The poll may not be the end-all, be-all of determining the final roster but considering his position there it's possible. Not impossible.

As you pointed out, Pit and ICs are nigh unrecognizable to mainstream fans of Nintendo; only the hardcore would've known about them. They're iconic in their own right, sure, but they got the spot in spite of their anonymity. With that logic, why couldn't Geno make it in?

And Enigma, Megaman and Snake have a long history with Nintendo; both of those franchises had their humble beginnings on the ol' 8-bit consoles. When you get down to brass tacks, Snake's inclusion in Brawl does make a little bit of sense.

Anyway, I think we'll just agree to disagree Harry. I think we've reached a stalemate here.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Loooooni]

No you didn't Harry over there just ignored every valid point you made we all know that you won this round smooth.

 

[Harry Megamix]

Sonic important, to which system?

LULZ. I really hope your joking. For your sake.

1) Try and counter Smooth...

Smooth's post was irrelevant, and about LoZ.

2) Geno was only in 1 game, but it was a BIG game...it basically was the peak of Nintendo and Square's relationship before all the **** happened to Nintendo in the N64 days...

.....which is exactly why it was overshadowed by Supe Mario 64.

It litereally was the final product of Nintendo's glory days...

So Nintendo is dead now?

Geno also represents and symbol of Square-Nintendo relationship, seeing as fans manifested HIM alone to represent a game that had influence on them enough to one day rise up and fight with insane passion for their character to be reborn once again! In Brawl!

What fans? Geno fans? That would make sense for Geno fans to support Geno.

Your simply saying that their passion, dedication, and patience up until now means nothing simply because YOU don't like the character?

It doesn't mean nothing, nor did I ever say it did. Sakurai obviously puts stock in the polls. More stock than he should.

Just because there's an overruling majority that wants something, doesn't mean it's the best choice, or that it's right / true. Politics is a fine example of this.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Why are you so passionate for your hatred of a character that represents a game that influenced games from then forward, as well as a whole generation of gamers?

 

[Enigma14]

LULZ. I really hope your joking. For your sake.



Smooth's post was irrelevant, and about LoZ.



.....which is exactly why it was overshadowed by Supe Mario 64.



So Nintendo is dead now?



What fans? Geno fans? That would make sense for Geno fans to support Geno.



It doesn't mean nothing, nor did I ever say it did. Sakurai obviously puts stock in the polls. More stock than he should.

Just because there's an overruling majority that wants something, doesn't mean it's the best choice, or that it's right / true. Politics is a fine example of this.

Im not joking, which system? 360 where all the Sonic team's crap comes from or the Wii?

 

[Eternal Neo]

The "Geno isn't important enough" argument is really stupid. I'm sorry, but if there's one thing the Smash Bros series isn't, is about importance. It's totally about popularity. Just look at the characters in the game. Falco, Jigglypuff? These characters aren't important to nintendo's history at all. They were put in because that's whats fans wanted, and Geno is the same way.

Edit: Of course some of the characters are important to Nintendo's history, but that really has no bearing on whether Sakurai will put them in the game or not. It's all fanservice.

 

[Enigma14]

Why are you so passionate for your hatred of a character that represents a game that influenced games from then forward, as well as a whole generation of gamers?

He's probably never played SMRPG...

Harry have you ever played SMRPG?

 

[Loooooni]

Enigma before you do it again STOP ****ING DOUBLE POSTING!!! Anyways you guys think we will get a character next week possibly Geno???

 

[Enigma14]

The "Geno isn't important enough" argument is really stupid. I'm sorry, but if there's one thing the Smash Bros series isn't, is about importance. It's totally about popularity. Just look at the characters in the game. Falco, Jigglypuff? These characters aren't important to nintendo's history at all. They were put in because that's whats fans wanted, and Geno is the same way.

Falco was put in as a clone due to time restraints, Jiggs was from the anime which died years ago.

No Smash Bros is about importance AND poularity.

If you looked at the 5 entries for Geno, they all said the same thing.

"Geno is memorable from SMRPG which was a fun game, it would be cool if he were in Brawl, thank you Sakurai for taking the time to read my entry"

Thats hwo the entries really sound like, kinda, ask Fatmanonice.

 

[Harry Megamix]

Harry have you ever played SMRPG?

Yes.

Im not joking, which system? 360 where all the Sonic team's crap comes from or the Wii?

You obviously know nothing about classic gaming, so I'm not going to dignify that with a response.

The "Geno isn't important enough" argument is really stupid. I'm sorry, but if there's one thing the Smash Bros series isn't, is about importance.

Yeah, not about popularity. Sakurai totally put in Marth and Roy because of thousands of screaming fanboys.

Honestly, most of your arguments are fail, but nonetheless, you're all probably giggling to yourselves at your mom's computer talking about how I'm full of crap. That's fine with me, though.

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

Okay, a slightly different argument:

Melee had five mario characters. One of them was a blatant clone, so he's getting the boot for Brawl. That leaves the Mario series with four characters. There is no way in HELL Mario's gonna have fewer characters in Brawl than in Melee, so just adding Luigi and calling it a day is out of the question. Let's see what they have to choose from for the newcomer, shall we?

Geno - Highly requested. Large fanbase. Represents Mario RPGs. If not used, will probably never have a chance to get back into the gaming scene. Comes with ready-made moveset and serves as excellent fanservice.

Bowser Jr. - Represents newer Mario games. Is a villian that is NOT a heavyweight. Has a decent-sized and growing fanbase. Despite the name, has a potential for a unique, paint-based moveset.

Waluigi - Has been in lots of games, but only serves to fill space. Has never done a single unique thing in any of the games he's been in. Has yet to appear alongside his brother (I'm assuming....?) in WarioWare. Has yet to appear in a Wario Bros. sort of game. Essentially worthless.

And there you have it. Unless you actually want Paper Mario (which you already expressed you didn't, thank God.) Now, is it really unreasonable to believe that the Mario series will have six reps in Brawl? I think not, seeing as it's the best-selling series in the history of gaming. So, it's pretty much established that the top two new Mario reps are Geno and Bowser Jr.

And seeing as Sakurai's taken quite a liking to Geno (He's been mentioned in his journal five times, more than Ike, Diddy, Lucas, and tied with King Dedede) and has yet to even mention Bowser Jr., I'd say Geno takes first priority.

But I believe both will make it.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I don't consider my post to be irrelevant. It seems like you're dodging it so that you can goad the other members into responding to your prattle. I think you feel less threatened by them.

At any rate. Like I said, I've said my piece. The argument is at a deadlock and nothing but opinions can be force-fed into it. If you feel that Geno is unimportant, then fine; he is. If these guys feel that Geno is important, then he is.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Enigma14]

Yes.



You obviously know nothing about classic gaming, so I'm not going to dignify that with a response.



Yeah, not about popularity. Sakurai totally put in Marth and Roy because of thousands of screaming fanboys.

Honestly, most of your arguments are fail, but nonetheless, you're all probably giggling to yourselves at your mom's computer talking about how I'm full of crap. That's fine with me, though.

Nice of you to assume that, since that is irrelavent to the topic of Geno.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The point is...he doesn't like the character...

We like the character...


Why does he care if we like the character?

 

[Biggie Smalls]

You've got to be ****ting me. I just countered all Paper Mario arguements a few pages back. Now you're all just ignoring the truth, like Hairy Megamix here.

Paper Mario has an equal chance to Bowser Jr.

 

[Eternal Neo]

Falco was put in as a clone due to time restraints, Jiggs was from the anime which died years ago.

No Smash Bros is about importance AND poularity.

If you looked at the 5 entries for Geno, they all said the same thing.

"Geno is memorable from SMRPG which was a fun game, it would be cool if he were in Brawl, thank you Sakurai for taking the time to read my entry"

Thats hwo the entries really sound like, kinda, ask Fatmanonice.

Exactly my point. Neither Falco or Jigglypuff are important at all. They were put in because they were popular and are both likely to make it back into Brawl.

Also, I fail to see what the poll entries have to do with anything. Heck they even seem to help Geno's chances. Even though they were crappy, Sakurai still posted a bunch of them. I'm sure some people wrote detailed essays to Sakurai on why Link's Uncle should be in the game. It didn't make him post them though.

Yeah, not about popularity. Sakurai totally put in Marth and Roy because of thousands of screaming fanboys.

Yes. When I think of classic important nintendo characters I think of Roy....

 

[Harry Megamix]

But I believe both will make it.

In terms of importance, even (dare I say it?) Waluigi plays a more prominent role in the Mario series (the more recent ones, at least) than Geno. He certainly appears in more games.

Nice of you to assume that, since that is irrelavent to the topic of Geno.

WTF are you talking about? You're the one who brought up the irrelevant Sonic counter-argument, and all I did was call you out on your crap. So now I'm the one with irrelevant arguments? LULZ.

I don't consider my post to be irrelevant. It seems like you're dodging it so that you can goad the other members into responding to your prattle. I think you feel less threatened by them.

But you still haven't addressed the real point--how Geno is worthy of representing the entire Mario franchise. It's a big responsibility. He's appeared in a total of 2 Mario games, and old ones at that. The only thing he has going for him is a rabid fanbase. Not to mention plenty of other characters who would be better additions in Brawl.

And yes, as a matter of fact, they are a lot less threatening than anything you've come up with. Which says a lot.

 

[Enigma14]

Exactly my point. Neither Falco or Jigglypuff are important at all. They were put in because they were popular and are both likely to make it back into Brawl.

Also, I fail to see what the poll entries have to do with anything. Heck they even seem to help Geno's chances. Even though they were crappy, Sakurai still posted a bunch of them. I'm sure some people wrote detailed essays to Sakurai on why Link's Uncle should be in the game. It didn't make him post them though.

Cause Geno scored highly greatly boosting his chances.

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

You've got to be ****ting me. I just countered all Paper Mario arguements a few pages back. Now you're all just ignoring the truth, like Hairy Megamix here.

Paper Mario has an equal chance to Bowser Jr.

....This isn't about Paper Mario. It's about Geno. Go to the Paper Mario thread and debate that, mmkay?

 

[Enigma14]

In terms of importance, even (dare I say it?) Waluigi plays a more prominent role in the Mario series (the more recent ones, at least) than Geno. He certainly appears in more games.

Waluigi plays a important role of being filler, a static character that has yet to even appear in Wario Ware.

 

[Enigma14]

....This isn't about Paper Mario. It's about Geno. Go to the Paper Mario thread and debate that, mmkay?

No. We've been over this. PM = Mario but different moveset.

 

[Loooooni]

Hey bud did doctor Mario represent the entire Mario franchise.....

Fission Mailed

 

[Enigma14]

Night All Geno 4 Brawl!

 

[Loooooni]

Enigma I swear to god if you double post again....

BTW did you just say Waluigi is more important than Geno!? (SHOCK)
How stupid can you get??? Seriously what important games that weren't party or sport games were Waluigi in??? What games was he in that he wasn't just a filler character???

Geno was a MAIN Character of a RPG that started all the other Mario RPG's so get over it he is important to the Nintendo franchise wether you like it or not.

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

Dr. Mario was the ultimate proof that Sakurai holds the final decision about who gets into Brawl and who doesn't, and to hell with what anyone else thinks.

He put in Dr. Mario not just because of time constraints, but also as an excuse to include the Dr. Mario song.

And Ice Climbers is hardly representative of the NES days. Pit would have been far better for that, but, what's this? He didn't get in until Brawl, and he left everyone wondering why the hell Sakurai chose the ICE CLIMBERS to serve this purpose.

In the end, Sakurai will choose who he likes. And, what's this? He likes Geno? Hmm....

 

[Enigma14]

Enigma I swear to god if you double post again....

BTW did you just say Waluigi is more important than Geno!? (SHOCK)
How stupid can you get??? Seriously what important games that weren't party or sport games were Waluigi in??? What games was he in that he wasn't just a filler character???

Geno was a MAIN Character of a RPG that started all the other Mario RPG's so get over it he is important to the Nintendo franchise wether you like it or not.

Id done it before whats wrong with it now? Are you just noticing this?

Also Dynamite that post just proves everything, night.

Also Harry if you're still here, read my sig.

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

No. We've been over this. PM = Mario but different moveset.

That's what I was trying to say. Biggie Smalls jumped all over me because I talked crossly about Paper Mario.

Anyways, back on topic....GENO FOR BRAWL!

EDIT: Thanks, Enigma! :3