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The Official Claus (The Masked Man) for SSBB thread, Mother 3 Spoilers

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The game's been in development for how long now? They've got a huge team, their own studio or something as I keep hearing, so if they had all this, I'm sure they'd have the best people on it, I don't see how they wouldn't be able to finish a character, granted they would cut some, but ones like Pit and Dedede weren't cut from Melee because of problems but rather time constraints I believe, so it doesn't sound too plausable. Thing is, if this guy is lying, he's an actual *******. Most 'prophets' confirm things, this guy has just deconfirmed stuff. Also, I really don't get why he'd go to Brawl Central (not knocking it, but they only recently actually got a forum didn't they?) and not somewhere more well-known like Gamefaqs (urgh) or here.

I dunno, I'm just afraid, we haven't had a truely blunt threat yet, but three in one day is a bit overwhelming (I simply mean the whole recall thing could mean they'd tone down on Mother 3 content.)

Oh well, see you all tomorrow, hopefully something nice will come up.
 

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Here's something interesting. Use the WaybackMachine, and go look up smashbros.com from about May 2006. Choose Japanese as the language of choice, and you'll be able to access the original Brawl poll / journal! Here are the Claus-related posts.

No.7:
MOTHER3のクラウスについて語らせて下さい。
ネタバレになるので詳しくは言えないのですが、
彼はMOTHER3においてはとってもかわいそうな役回りでした。
ぜひ、彼にもう一度命を与えて欲しい、それができるのはスマブラしか無いと思います。

P.S. 前々作からのプリン使いの自分としては、プリンがもしいなくなってしまうとするとやはり寂しいです。でもそれはどのキャラについても言えることなんですよね・・・

Basic Translation:
Please include Claus from MOTHER 3. It wouldn't be much of a spoiler because his time in MOTHER 3 was short. He can be brought back from the dead, something that can only happen in the Smash Bros. world.

(The post-script talks about Jigglypuff...the poster doesn't seem to like her lol.)


No.95:
発表されたムービーを見て、思わずパソコンの前で絶叫してしまいました。
発売から4年以上経っているにも関わらず、未だ全く飽きる事なくスマブラを(64版もDXも)プレイし続けている私にとって、最高に嬉しい報せでした!
何だかもう興奮の余り言葉が纏まりそうにもありませんが、取り敢えず思ったことを綴ってみようと思います。

メタナイト、待ってました!!
前作の時から、メタナイト出てくれないかなー…
と思っていたので、遂に参戦との事で嬉しい限りです。
しかもどうやらハルバードステージがあるようで!
曲も「メックアイ」とか「ハーフムーン」だったらとても嬉しいです。

個人的に出してほしいキャラクターとしては、「マザー3」のリュカが挙げられます。
良くを言うなれば、クラウスも出てくれると嬉しい事このうえないです。
とても思い入れのあるキャラクターなので…
前作でのアイスクライマーみたいにリュカとクラウスでひとつのキャラだったり、リュカ単体でもカラーの変更でクラウスカラーになったりしたら良いのになあ、なんて事をひたすら夢想しています。

発売が待ち遠しくて堪らないのですが、発売までこういう風に色々想像するのも楽しみのひとつですね。
今回、Wi-Fi対応と言うことは、離れた所に住んでいて一緒にプレイすることの出来ない友人や家族とも、また、全く見知らぬ人とも対戦出来ると言うことで、楽しみで楽しみで仕方がありません。
発売まで、このキャラが、この曲が、このステージが出たら良いな、なんて事を夢想しつつ、ひたすらわくわくして待っていようと思います。

(Basic Translation:
(First, he just gushes about the Smash series, and how he's so relieved to have a new one. He loves Meta Knight and the Battleship Halberd; he also makes some music requests. Now, the third paragraph is where Claus talk happens.)
Personally, out of all the characters, I hope that you include Lucas from MOTHER 3. Claus would be acceptable, too, though. You could make an Ice Climbers-esque team of Lucas and Claus, or just include one as a costume of the other. (He seems to be having a bit of trouble deciding between which of the brothers he wants in Brawl lol.)
(The fourth paragraph is about Wi-Fi and other non-Claus things.)


Those were (sadly) the only two that I could find which pertained to Claus. I may have missed some, though, so others are more than welcome to search on their own. It just makes me wonder if what Fatmanonice said was really true...
What did Fatmanonice say?
 

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If anything the wings help him. In a cast of potentially 48 characters to have only three utilize a programmed technique is sort of silly. Claus adds another glider (potentially) to the mix along with a very workable moveset potential and extreme depth added to the SSE plot line. Also you can get some sweet event modes out of his inclusion.
Yeah...

Guys...go check Brawl Central again...

They've been made to look like idiots, but they FINALLY got the appropriate translation of the article up. And it's as follows:

Title: "Do you remember Ness?

Ness, a representative of the Mother 2 series, has been appearing in Smash. He started out in Smash Bros. as a hidden character. In order to make him playable all that trouble you had to go to...Incidentally, the movie featured on the official website reveals that Mr. Saturn is still a throwable item."

So there you have it. Ness is not "de-confirmed".
I HATE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry:

The thought of Ness being back in makes me want to vomit.

This thread doesn't help, either: http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1727&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

In fact, it makes me want to vomit MORE. It all sounds so legit, which is even worse. :ohwell: What I don't understand is how the wings make such a difference, or how they could be so problematic. Meta Knight alternates between wings and a cape; if it works for him, why wouldn't they work for Claus? Not to mention the fact that they aren't a huge enough part of his character to warrant his exclusion altogether. And then the part about the taunt... Well, canonically speaking, Claus wouldn't just take off his mask arbitrarily, but that's kind of moot in the Smash world. But if it really doesn't work, why not just change it?! If they can't fix it, don't bother. The character is much more important than a small issue with ONE taunt.
Wow, That sucks D:

I think that thread at Brawl Central is fake. The reason for not including him is too absurd considering that we have Pit, Charizard, and Meta Knight.

As for this recent 48 characters thing. I think that it means we have 52 characters with the other four being Zero Suit Samus, Shiek, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard(since Pokemon Trainer has no moveset of his own).
Now with the roster supposedly this big, Claus can fit in like this.
Yeah, If we have 48 and ness isn't returning then claus is almost a shoo-in.
 

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I hate ones like this. As all they do is deconfirm things, it's very hard to disprove them. What I don't get is why if you were in that position, all you'd ask about is what didn't make it. Only good thing I can see in this is that Capcom's mentioned. It really does kinda sound legit, he gives reasons for the cut. I really don't get how they could do Mario's hat coming off so easily yet Claus's mask would mess it up, but still I'm no programmer.

What a day, Ness hinted at by Famitsu, Mother 3 rumoured to be recalled, and Claus rumoured to have been cut. I hope we get something nice to talk about soon...
Good point about the Mario thing, because it's the same sort of situation: a character removes part of his or her outfit, and then replaces it. If it works for one character, it should work for another, too.

I think that thread at Brawl Central is fake. The reason for not including him is too absurd considering that we have Pit, Charizard, and Meta Knight.

As for this recent 48 characters thing. I think that it means we have 52 characters with the other four being Zero Suit Samus, Shiek, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard(since Pokemon Trainer has no moveset of his own).
Now with the roster supposedly this big, Claus can fit in like this.
Agreed. With a 48 character roster (even though still unconfirmed, and probably false) there is absolutely NO reason that Claus should be excluded. Even if Ness did make it back in, there would still be plenty of room for Claus.

they don't make a difference, which is why it's fake. they already have 2 and a half characters with wings (Meta Knight only have them out when jumping), so them having problems with Claus makes no sense. it's fake! LOGIC PWN'D!!
Meta Knight was actually my biggest point of contention, mainly because his wings function the most like Claus's. He switches between wings and a cape; if Claus does the same thing (wings and no wings), how is it that difficult to program?

Kinda seems like a huge conspiracy just to put us Claus supporters into a state of panic, eh? I don't believe anything I've heard today. It's all just been complete and utter BS. They could have included anything on that list. ANYTHING. "Well this game would have made you irresistible to women, but we had to cut that" or "Brawl would give you super powers after playing it, but we had to take that out" and I would have cared less. But attacking Claus is attacking below the belt. Anyway... even if this were true and he was that far in to the designing, I'm sure he could easily be hacked into existance...
Yeah, it does seem a little fishy. I agree that attacking Claus is just the most reproachable offense committable. ;) Hopefully it won't come down to hacking the game to make Claus playable, though....

If anything the wings help him. In a cast of potentially 48 characters to have only three utilize a programmed technique is sort of silly. Claus adds another glider (potentially) to the mix along with a very workable moveset potential and extreme depth added to the SSE plot line. Also you can get some sweet event modes out of his inclusion.
That's true, gliding even got its own update, so only three characters with the ability would seem kind of...wasteful.

"Characters like Pit, Meta Knight and the Pokémon Trainer’s Charizard are envied at first glance for their wings."

(From the Gliding update: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique05.html )

"Characters like" seems to imply that there are more winged characters, and no veterans (revealed or unrevealed) have wings to use. Falco, perhaps, could be an exception, but I truly do not see him gliding with his wings, which serve more as arms in the Smash world. Expect more gliders, I guess.

And the perfect event for Claus: "Final Showdown" (or something like that)
* Play as Lucas
* New Pork City (in lieu of another M3 stage)
* Item: Franklin Badge
* KO the opponent without attacking him!
(Basically, you would use the Franklin Badge--an already confirmed item!--to reflect Claus's lightning attacks back at him, just like in MOTHER 3!)

It's absolutely fake. I'm convinced. Nintendo has never done anything like that before to my knowledge, excluding characters like that. If they absolutely had to, they would make them a clone, but not exclude them. If you can program wings that have to flap which only appear when you jump, you can program a jetpack that has wings that don't flap.

End of story. Also note that the poster of this lie only has 10 posts there. Not very good for his credibility. Also I think if I wanted to tell people news that bad, I would come here first.
That's true...with the amount of time and manpower that has gone into the creation of this game, it would be a wonder to know that they cut a character toward the very end of its 3-or-so-year development because a mechanic could not be properly implemented. Sakurai likes MOTHER 3 too much to just cut Claus arbitrarily without making him a clone. And Claus's wings aren't always present--only when he uses the jetpack, if I'm not mistaken. They could appear just like Meta Knight's do, and disappear likewise.

The game's been in development for how long now? They've got a huge team, their own studio or something as I keep hearing, so if they had all this, I'm sure they'd have the best people on it, I don't see how they wouldn't be able to finish a character, granted they would cut some, but ones like Pit and Dedede weren't cut from Melee because of problems but rather time constraints I believe, so it doesn't sound too plausable. Thing is, if this guy is lying, he's an actual *******. Most 'prophets' confirm things, this guy has just deconfirmed stuff. Also, I really don't get why he'd go to Brawl Central (not knocking it, but they only recently actually got a forum didn't they?) and not somewhere more well-known like Gamefaqs (urgh) or here.

I dunno, I'm just afraid, we haven't had a truely blunt threat yet, but three in one day is a bit overwhelming (I simply mean the whole recall thing could mean they'd tone down on Mother 3 content.)

Oh well, see you all tomorrow, hopefully something nice will come up.
That's a very good point. With so many people behind it, and with so much time to tweak all the details, it seems silly that they wouldn't try to work around it, even if it meant sacrificing a certain element (i.e. the wings, or one simple taunt). His choice of sites is also somewhat questionable, considering that Smashboards is more well-known, but I digress.

It does seem as though our Masked Man is under attack lately, though, doesn't it? So much anti-MOTHER 3 sentiment: the supposed recall, child Claus as a sticker (for whatever it's worth), and now Claus cut from the roster at the very last minute because of wings that didn't work properly (unlikely) and a taunt that didn't work properly (again, even more unlikely). What is it with all the hatred?

Claus for Brawl, my friends! :bigthumbu

What did Fatmanonice say?
That Claus got 4 mentions on Sakurai's poll. I only found 2. Thethirdkoopa, could you clarify? Are you able to contact him about this?
 

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And the perfect event for Claus: "Final Showdown" (or something like that)
* Play as Lucas
* New Pork City (in lieu of another M3 stage)
* Item: Franklin Badge
* KO the opponent without attacking him!
(Basically, you would use the Franklin Badge--an already confirmed item!--to reflect Claus's lightning attacks back at him, just like in MOTHER 3!)
I mentioned something like this last year with a better title: "Don't Fight!" Can you bring yourself to NOT defeat your brother?!
 

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I think the one thing we seem to all be forgetting here is that Diddy has an Up B that functions EXACTLY the same as Claus' would. Cutting him because of that is impossible. Absolutely impossible.
 

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I haven't played Mother 3 or even really heard of it very much, but I support this thread. All I need now is a support banner.
 

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I haven't played Mother 3 or even really heard of it very much, but I support this thread. All I need now is a support banner.
Feel free to snag the "Masked Man's Pigmask Army (MMPMA)" banner from my sig. ;) Welcome to the club!
 

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Aw, man! Vesper still hasn't replied :(

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If anyone wants to take my sig, feel free to. but since it's hosted from my site, put it on photobucket. (bandwidth and such) :p It took me a while to make it, I hate how much light there was in it, made it way harder to get rid of the background. I would put in the TMMPMA banner thing, but this current sig is too big already XD... Definitely for someone who supports Claus more than any other character.
 

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Feel free to snag the "Masked Man's Pigmask Army (MMPMA)" banner from my sig. ;) Welcome to the club!
Yep, Welcome yourself here, And i might be able to re-add the mmpma banner into my sig thanks to silver (NSider. :S) Making me a sig.
Aw, man! Vesper still hasn't replied :(

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That sucks...D:

maybe... he was banned from the internet!? D:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. D:
 

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Hey do you guys think he would be called Claus or something else if he is in as his official name?
 

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I wonder how his Brawl graphics design would look. I mean Lucas looks so different. I am really curious as to what he would look like.
 

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He would will look like awesome stacked on top of win stacked on top of top tier. With a side of pwn.

Not achieving a look worthy of his awesome is the only thing that could make Nintendo cut him last minute, not wing issues :p
 

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Probably quite similar to this:



I would have no complaints. :bigthumbu

And I'm sure he would be called Claus. Since MOTHER 3's chances of getting localized are nil at best, I don't think NOA will be worried about spoiling anything.

EDIT: 2500TH POST FOR CLAUS! Hellz yeah. :grin:
 

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Probably quite similar to this:



I would have no complaints. :bigthumbu

And I'm sure he would be called Claus. Since MOTHER 3's chances of getting localized are nil at best, I don't think NOA will be worried about spoiling anything.
Your image isn't showing up aeris and by the way we seem to have the exact same characters in mind for brawl.

Claus Lucas Pit PT Midna Sukapon and even Peach (my second in Melee, my main was Ice CLimbers)
 

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The only problem I have with that image is how he constantly has his arm cannon on his arm and the "scouter" (lol DBZ) side of his helmet looks more like an eye patch. Otherwise That's just about right. Except his neck is a bit too long...
 

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I predict he'll/he'd be mid-to-high Middle Tier.

Your image isn't showing up aeris and by the way we seem to have the exact same characters in mind for brawl.

Claus Lucas Pit PT Midna Sukapon and even Peach (my second in Melee, my main was Ice CLimbers)
There is no pic; that's the point :p

At least I think so >.>;;
 

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No, the pic just didn't show up. I think it's cause of hotlinking or something. The same pic is in the link the first post has to that long read about why Claus should be in Brawl.
 

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Got ya

Hey this has been bothering me for a bit. Claus seems like a hybrid characters.
1. Lucas: His Psi and PK power (not that big a deal since they are twins)
2. Metanight: Bat Wings and Sword
3. Samus: Blaster

Does this hurt or help Claus in terms of getting into the game?
 

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Your image isn't showing up aeris and by the way we seem to have the exact same characters in mind for brawl.

Claus Lucas Pit PT Midna Sukapon and even Peach (my second in Melee, my main was Ice CLimbers)
Seems as though you have good taste. ;)

http://ikusaba.client.jp/

Try that link; click the purple link, second from the top, and you'll see Claus hidden among the other character profile pictures.

Got ya

Hey this has been bothering me for a bit. Claus seems like a hybrid characters.
1. Lucas: His Psi and PK power (not that big a deal since they are twins)
2. Metanight: Bat Wings and Sword
3. Samus: Blaster

Does this hurt or help Claus in terms of getting into the game?
I would say that it helps him. He is an amalgamation of already existing characters--original enough to warrant his inclusion, but rooted enough in playable characters that he is not outside the realm of possibilities.

Lucas versus Claus would be an epic fight...when played by really good players.
Hellz yeah. And I would be more than happy to be one of those really good players. ;)
 

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I uploaded it on Photubucket.


They're saying that they have no doubt about Claus joining Brawl. Still, they give Pokey a better chance than Claus.....
(Pokey is on the second site with Kumatora and Flint)
 

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Title: "Do you Remember Marth and Roy?"

They are touched upon in the column page, but these two participated in Melee from the Fire Emblem series. One of them is Marth who's from the game Fire Emblem and the Sword of the Dark Dragon and Light. The other is Roy who comes from Fire Emblem The Sword of Seals. Marth wields a fast flowing sword, and though immature Roy wields a potent blade. Can Ike surpass his two predecessors? Stay tuned!"

Hello... a sign of hope? I knew that if there was an article on Marth and Roy, it may say something. At least now it doesn't look like they singled out Ness in Famitsu. I'm not gonna say this is proof against Ness, but it's pretty strong.
 

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Title: "Do you Remember Marth and Roy?"

They are touched upon in the column page, but these two participated in Melee from the Fire Emblem series. One of them is Marth who's from the game Fire Emblem and the Sword of the Dark Dragon and Light. The other is Roy who comes from Fire Emblem The Sword of Seals. Marth wields a fast flowing sword, and though immature Roy wields a potent blade. Can Ike surpass his two predecessors? Stay tuned!"

Hello... a sign of hope? I knew that if there was an article on Marth and Roy, it may say something. At least now it doesn't look like they singled out Ness in Famitsu. I'm not gonna say this is proof against Ness, but it's pretty strong.
The problem is this: Marth stands a good chance of returning; Roy does not. Had they merely included Roy, I would say that it's unlikely that either of them return. Marth's inclusion makes me wonder...the fact that Marth and Roy are mentioned in the same breath make me really question if anything can be gleaned from these two snippets. Right now, all we know is that all three are on the "threatdown," if you will. ;) None of them are safe from disconfirmation at this point.

(I will remain optimistic, though, if only for Claus's sake.)
 

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It looks like Claus(kid Claus) has been comfirmed as a Sticker, and so is Kumatora, but that doesn't mean they might not both be playable characters.
You can also see one of Lucas's Taunts which is him looking at the rope snake.
This video has already been posted somewhere but I'm posting it here for you guys to check out the Mother3 updates.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N2***vDMExo

EDit: Darn it! unfortunately there's a word in the link that is censured.

Just replace the censured word with "f a g".(without the spaces)
 

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The problem is this: Marth stands a good chance of returning; Roy does not. Had they merely included Roy, I would say that it's unlikely that either of them return. Marth's inclusion makes me wonder...the fact that Marth and Roy are mentioned in the same breath make me really question if anything can be gleaned from these two snippets. Right now, all we know is that all three are on the "threatdown," if you will. ;) None of them are safe from disconfirmation at this point.

(I will remain optimistic, though, if only for Claus's sake.)
Yay! Well of ness and roy are truely to get the boot once and for all then we're in the clear, only thing now is how much attention sakurai gives to the mother series, but we're due for at least 38 characters which means a second mother rep should be rolling already...

I uploaded it on Photubucket.


They're saying that they have no doubt about Claus joining Brawl. Still, they give Pokey a better chance than Claus.....
(Pokey is on the second site with Kumatora and Flint)
o_O Odd...
 

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Hmm this also makes me wonder. I personally feel that Mother Should have two reps but then think about some other series.

F-zero: I hate it but the Cap has been in since days one. Shouldn't he get two also
My Thought: No F-Zero isn't a really popular series and the characters aren't that memorable.

FE: Here I could see even three making it in. Large character options to choose from and tons of support.
My Thought: Ya I think this will happen, two at least.

Mother: Such a good series and more like a cartoon video game than the others (Sakurai seems to favor these type of characters).
My Thought: I am really biased here but I'll try to be impartial. Look It really should have two rep but Sakurai seems to be narrowing that window. He gave away Ness's Moveset to Lucas SO NESS HONESTLY HAS NO SHOT (think about it in a retrospective light, if Ness IS cut you would say "Duh Lucas had his special moveset). However our list is further narrowed since Lucas had almost none of his own moves, so all his party in the game are represented through him. So who is left for the second slot?
Claus
Pokey
Ness (in some new or older form with a new moveset?)

Is that what it really is coming down to? What do we think?
 

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It looks like Claus(kid Claus) has been comfirmed as a Sticker, and so is Kumatora, but that doesn't mean they might not both be playable characters.
You also have Krystal in there as well. Considering that she's one of the most requested characters, the stickers probably mean nothing. Hopefully, Claus and Kumatora are safe.
 

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Kumatora's moves have all been jacked by Lucas. There's almost no hope for her even being an assist trophy, really. The only thing left is PK Ground, which would make for a pretty good AT attack.

I'm pretty convinced that Ness isn't coming back. Ness has no moves of his own that are really worthy of Smash. He and Lucas play the same role in their games, as leader of their teams. They also are the ones who eventually get more HP and PP than anyone else in the game, but even though they have such high PP, all but one of their PSI attacks are healing and assistance PSI. The only attacks either have that are physical are PK Rockin (Ness) and PK Love (Lucas). And since those two attacks would be too hard to put into Smash in a manner that isn't too devastating, something had to be done. So Ness stole from Paula and Lucas stole from Kumatora. Kumatora plays the Ana/Paula role in Mother 3, so her attacks are basically the same. There's no one left for Ness to steal from. Poo could be open for consideration, but his most notable physical attack was PSI Starstorm... and look who has that. :p
 
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