The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! Updated 8/14/14!

[DJRome]

good luck with the panel

 

[lord karn]

it's your choice that it's not the same, karn


and i think it can be especially easier for you to make the right choice if the panel solidified some rules that equated money match sets to tournament sets.... "required" money matches is pushing it, but i think something along the lines of making mm's more significant and (hopefully, somehow) simultaneously having some sort of PR rule that will encourage people to money match, so that we can create a more accurate list of players, would be a big step in the right direction.. overall simply invigorating people to improve.


i mean, should you ever be scared to test your abilities against people if your purely and humbly willing to improve? no. no you shouldn't.


no more fear, please.

Regardless, the fact that I have to decide that it's serious means it's not a tournament set. A mm is definitely different, as there is no potential to move forward in a bracket if you win. Staying in the tournament is a much bigger incentive than money to me.

I'd personally rather just play seriouslies than mms. I'm capable of learning a lot when I just decide to take matches seriously. There doesn't have to be money on the line.

Yeah, it would make making the power rankings way easier. As a panel member, that would be nice. But personally, I don't try to get better to get higher on the rankings. I play to get better, and prs are not always a perfect representation of skill.


And I'm pretty sure we've always considered a $5 mm the same as a tournament set.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Technically you could decide tournaments weren't serious either.

Proving yourself against someone else happens in both scenarios.

 

[lord karn]

Except I can still get better without playing mms. Tournaments are a lot more high stakes than mms.

 

[bossa nova ♪]

Possibly a negative impact in one's standing/judgment because they declined a MM?

i was thinking about this. especially if a particular rank is a 50:50 between two people, and it's in the records that player A turned down player B's challenge. player B should have the spot then because player A's a *****. no johns. no ****ing johns.

one problem i can foresee is people taking advantage of the fact that we're not going to be using signed contracts or anything.. so they can deny **** and be like "we MM'ing!" and then hold up the rankings and never go through with it or some crap...... there has to be some form of officialism...

i think if the premise of the importance of money matches is made ultra-legitimate (i guess the panel would have to make some sort of official statement) people will be on their toes at tournaments, and the environment will be much better geared toward improving at melee.... smashers in NC (i dont know about other places, i only live here) have this stupid fear of failure.. being seen as weak or unskilled... people need to swallow this fear/pride/superiority complex **** and simply accept challenges when they come as a way to assess one's ability. that's what it's all about... testing your strength.

goku, n1ggaz.



@Karn: if you play to get better, like you said you do, wouldn't it make sense to be pushed to play at your best as much as you can? that way, your stamina is being more vigorously tested, making it way more likely to improve at that particular aspect of your game. i mean, if a weak part of your game is consistency, such a system would reflect this, since you're abilities are being tested much more... this creates a rounder, fuller representation of people's skill in this state...

hmm... i just feel like your expressing a preference for our current, lazier and cheaper system where it's much easier to "get by" with a higher ranking (especially if you're on the panel, wink ****ing wink), since there's fewer opportunities to prove yourself... seems to me like that kind of thing is personally favored by you.


and the point of making things super official is that you DO NOT have to DECIDE whether it's serious or not. IT IS serious. and if you don't take it seriously, you're going to lose. and if you're like "well i don't care about the rankings EVEN MORE now, i'm still just going to sandbag in money matches because they aren't important to me, whatever!" then yeah, imo you'd be a *****, but if you already don't care about the PRs, it shouldn't matter anyway. obv this system isn't biased towards you or anything, but i think it will just make people more serious about this game in this state, and that's good.

and yeah i agree..wouldn't it be great if the PRs reflected skill to the lowest possible degree of error? this would surely be a step in the right direction for something like that, just like you said.... it simply involves people testing their skill in an official and more frequent manner... which i think is also super conducive towards getting people to improve....idk it seems like you like..enjoy holding yourself back


and not everyone can afford bringing a bunch of $5 bills to tournaments. a part of this is that ANY amount of money is cool, money is simply a symbol for official-ness, the amount is w/e.

 

[stingers]

imo you should just make the prs with tourney reuslts
imo

 

[bossa nova ♪]

ahh, whatever.... no one gives a **** in this state anyway lol.... wouldn't catch on...


plus, there's gotta be a time where people feel flexible/fearless enough to experiment and try weird ****. this MM stuff may completely take up everyone's friendly time, which i think would be a bad thing. but yeah, this paragraph is kinda contradictory to that sentence up there..... perhaps it'd be a pretty good balance, since i know that people will still be too fearful to go ultra-hard-find-any-moving-living-thing-to-money-match-holy-****-prove-myself-status... friendlies would be like... a relief haha....

wow it's too late to be rambling i'm probably not even making that much sense at this point


****




i'll just continue trying to take over the world on my own. i don't need you ****ing scrubs anyway! haHA!!!

 

[stingers]

do you give a ****, camron?

 

[bossa nova ♪]

i...



WILL....



defeat



Dr



Peepeee




i will have his blood on my hands




if it's the last thing i do.....






yes





yes i do give a ****

 

[stingers]

you dont give half of the ****s required to beat dr peepee

 

[bossa nova ♪]

and i'm still going to do it







even when he's old as **** and has a family and all that gay crap



yesss.....all the while i was slowly, quietly continuing to improve at melee




and then i will challenge him





and DEFEAT his rusty ***





and finally



i will be crowned...






the slow king








japes

 

[Dr Peepee]

Except I can still get better without playing mms. Tournaments are a lot more high stakes than mms.

Because you think so. MMs help you get better too and can be extra tournament sets if thought of properly.

ahh, whatever.... no one gives a **** in this state anyway lol.... wouldn't catch on...


plus, there's gotta be a time where people feel flexible/fearless enough to experiment and try weird ****. this MM stuff may completely take up everyone's friendly time, which i think would be a bad thing. but yeah, this paragraph is kinda contradictory to the last one..... perhaps it'd be a pretty good balance, since i know that people will still be too fearful to go ultra-hard-find-any-moving-living-thing-to-money-match-holy-****-prove-myself-status


i'll just continue trying to take over the world on my own. i don't need you ****ing scrubs anyway!

Have you not noticed people stepping up recently? You'll get your lazy butt passed up with that attitude! Why not set a good example as someone thought well of by the majority of people here as a player and person and ENCOURAGE a little bit? At least have the gall to make more than one positive response to someone! That pitiful friendlies excuse is BS too and you know it. We play so many friendlies and MMs literally NEVER happen. With our growing resource and motivation base people could have more setups and MMs and others could actually GET INTERESTED IN THEM which could only fuel our state's drive more.

We could have a breakthrough and come out as the new big state to beat! Don't you guys care about that? NC never was a lot before Adam and Ali kinda and maybe Corey and Twiggy before that. We could be a group of people that others feared just by hearing the name! "Oh NC? Yeah those guys are getting mad good lately, they keep popping up with new **** players! Definitely not a state I'd want to fight in crew battles." We have the resources, the numbers, the talent pool, the building experience, so let's just do it already! It starts here guys. I've always had my hand extended if you guys want to take it and get serious on discussion and organization and competition, and I'll leave it that way as long as I can.

Come on Catfish, we can do it!

 

[bossa nova ♪]

sorry kevin i lost my head for a bit there...


i'm still going to **** you



and we should still try to implement this increased legitimacy of money matches!!!!! i'm taking all mother ****ing challenges!!!!!!!!!! where you PR'd/non-PR'd *****z at!? FUCK yall i'm comin for ya


melee4lyfe

 

[stingers]

you're confusing negativity with genuine realism, you don't care about this game nor your improvement nearly enough to beat kevin, sorry camron =/ maybe you can beat dop one day if you try really hard but thats about as far as you'll get here

 

[TheLastCacely]

no shot at cam

but i have to agree with stingers.

cam beating lozr/ yay anytime soon is hard to see. but hes trying to legitimately take down pp? i mean, the confidence is good.... but that aint gonna bring home das bacon.

 

[mr.fizwidget]

cam $1 mm

im going sheik

 

[bossa nova ♪]

well, i don't know what to say....




i've been playing this game for just shy of 2 years


and i already have beaten dop in a money match, as well as a really serious set that i believe showed that it's DEF possible to beat him in tourney



LOL @ keith....I HAVE defeated yay in a tourney set and i took the first match off lozr in the one set we had, and i'm gonna do my best to **** him next time and finish it with a 2-0... that goes for both of them



and i did that **** with way less care than i'm starting to have these days....


i'm beginning to wonder what i can do if i make improving more of a priority than it ever has been...


i believe i can do it. and if i fail in the end, okay, but i'm still gonna see what an increase in will to improve can do for me. that's all the reality i need. peepee is going down.



EDIT:


and either way,

operation: slow will happen.... and i'm going to go up to his kids and be like "ur dad ****ing sucks. i'm the best." loooooooool... you think i'm worried? i've already won. muhahahahagrapes

 

[DJRome]

lol i took the first match off lozr last time we played too (in fact i lu cu idea mustard). and how many people think i can beat adam?

 

[mr.fizwidget]

i beat adam last set i played him in tourney >.>

how many people think i can beat him?

 

[DJRome]

lol but he didn't play fox vs u fiz

 

[mr.fizwidget]

ill mm u too dj

going sheik

 

[stingers]

i agree with fiz that out of anyone he has the best chance of beating adam out of those who aren't on his level already. everyone else kinda just...doesnt have the ability

 

[mr.fizwidget]

when are the pr's coming ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut?

its fryday

and im trying to get down and ready for the weekend

 

[bossa nova ♪]

ight fiz, $1



you better whoop me so i can feel the need to improve even more

 

[TheLastCacely]

@ cam, well from what everyone says.... lozr sandbags alot lmao


and the only time i heard of you beating yay was at oceans tourney where yay was going through some depression stuff.

not taking your win away from that

but other silly stuff happened at that tourney

so i figured you guys didnt even count that tourney for anything.

maybe i was wrong.

 

[DJRome]

lol fiz u scared to mm me for like 10 months

ill use my fox vs u aight?

 

[mr.fizwidget]

yay went on to beat pp and win that tourney...

 

[mr.fizwidget]

lol fiz u scared to mm me for like 10 months

ill use my fox vs u aight?

loooooooooooooooooooooool

dj

bring w/e jank char you play now

idc

its going down

 

[Dr Peepee]

well, i don't know what to say....




i've been playing this game for just shy of 2 years


and i already have beaten dop in a money match, as well as a really serious set that i believe showed that it's DEF possible to beat him in tourney



LOL @ keith....I HAVE defeated yay in a tourney set and i took the first match off lozr in the one set we had, and i'm gonna do my best to **** him next time and finish it with a 2-0... that goes for both of them



and i did that **** with way less care than i'm starting to have these days....


i'm beginning to wonder what i can do if i make improving more of a priority than it ever has been...


i believe i can do it. and if i fail in the end, okay, but i'm still gonna see what an increase in will to improve can do for me. that's all the reality i need. peepee is going down.



EDIT:


and either way,

operation: slow will happen.... and i'm going to go up to his kids and be like "ur dad ****ing sucks. i'm the best." loooooooool... you think i'm worried? i've already won. muhahahahagrapes

You're doing well for 2 years. With untapped potential and solid motivation then you'll **** even harder! BUMP the trolls and do you man. Competition is about proving to YOURSELF that YOU ****. We know you **** Camron so just do it!

when are the pr's coming ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut?

its fryday

and im trying to get down and ready for the weekend

It'll be during the afternoon/evening of tomorrow due to unforseen picture complications.

loooooooooooooooooooooool

dj

bring w/e jank char you play now

idc

its going down

looooool dj's jank

 

[bossa nova ♪]

yeah, yay wasn't on his game... but both of our sets were still extremely close for me only playing for like.. a year and a half at that point... so excuse me, i still consider it somewhat of an accomplishment


i need to make up for my hiatus/goofing around at the end of last year... it's time to go for the ****



EDIT:


@PP: if people think i'm good in this state, it's still pretty undeserved, even if i take pride in a few tournaments i've been to. i still haven't gone to a national and made it into bracket. when YOU can safely say i'm not a scrub anymore, i'll cross that one off my list, cheese harder than ****, and continue on my march towards ****** you.

 

[MacD]

i hate doing MM's unless i really wanna play/prove myself against that person

if i'm not invested in it or don't care the outcome from the start

things like me vs gg7 happen

 

[TheLastCacely]

yeah, yay wasn't on his game... but both of our sets were still extremely close for me only playing for like.. a year and a half at that point... so excuse me, i still consider it somewhat of an accomplishment


i need to make up for my hiatus/goofing around at the end of last year... it's time to go for the ****



EDIT:


@PP: if people think i'm good in this state, it's still pretty undeserved, even if i take pride in a few tournaments i've been to. i still haven't gone to a national and made it into bracket. when YOU can safely say i'm not a scrub anymore, i'll cross that one off my list, cheese harder than ****, and continue on my march towards ****** you.

i mean.... ur better than me

so

ur closer than you think.... but you still have ALOT of work to do.

 

[Dark Hart]

guh I need to get better at this game

 

[Dr Peepee]

This is so much better!

I like where we can go with this a lot. =)

 

[mr.fizwidget]

cam i added you on aim

i would like to talk to you about some stuff

 

[DJRome]

study up fiz. get that insider info on me from cam lol

 

[bossa nova ♪]

@fiz: hell yeah. i'm busy for most of tomorrow, but towards late afternoon/evening i'd def be down to talk some melee


@DH: mindset is the key. if you have plateau'd it's because your mindset is inadequate and doing something like changing characters is only a temporary fix. also, sticking with a single main means that you eventually develop your own personal strengths through a character, rather than having a bunch of mains which, in my view, involves more of using the character's strengths over your own. really try to focus on a single character... i don't know about your latest melee updates, but i hope it's geared towards that because i know you've switched around a lot in the past.



@keith: yeah i know. this is gonna be fun.

 

[Juno McGrath]

@DH: mindset is the key. if you have plateau'd it's because your mindset is inadequate and doing something like changing characters is only a temporary fix. also, sticking with a single main means that you eventually develop your own personal strengths through a character, rather than having a bunch of mains which, in my view, involves more of using the character's strengths over your own. really try to focus on a single character... i don't know about your latest melee updates, but i hope it's geared towards that because i know you've switched around a lot in the past.

In the words of JB, "No shame dude"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8_GmnNr7rg&feature=player_detailpage

 

[lord karn]

i was thinking about this. especially if a particular rank is a 50:50 between two people, and it's in the records that player A turned down player B's challenge. player B should have the spot then because player A's a *****. no johns. no ****ing johns.

one problem i can foresee is people taking advantage of the fact that we're not going to be using signed contracts or anything.. so they can deny **** and be like "we MM'ing!" and then hold up the rankings and never go through with it or some crap...... there has to be some form of officialism...

i think if the premise of the importance of money matches is made ultra-legitimate (i guess the panel would have to make some sort of official statement) people will be on their toes at tournaments, and the environment will be much better geared toward improving at melee.... smashers in NC (i dont know about other places, i only live here) have this stupid fear of failure.. being seen as weak or unskilled... people need to swallow this fear/pride/superiority complex **** and simply accept challenges when they come as a way to assess one's ability. that's what it's all about... testing your strength.

goku, n1ggaz.



@Karn: if you play to get better, like you said you do, wouldn't it make sense to be pushed to play at your best as much as you can? that way, your stamina is being more vigorously tested, making it way more likely to improve at that particular aspect of your game. i mean, if a weak part of your game is consistency, such a system would reflect this, since you're abilities are being tested much more... this creates a rounder, fuller representation of people's skill in this state...

hmm... i just feel like your expressing a preference for our current, lazier and cheaper system where it's much easier to "get by" with a higher ranking (especially if you're on the panel, wink ****ing wink), since there's fewer opportunities to prove yourself... seems to me like that kind of thing is personally favored by you.


and the point of making things super official is that you DO NOT have to DECIDE whether it's serious or not. IT IS serious. and if you don't take it seriously, you're going to lose. and if you're like "well i don't care about the rankings EVEN MORE now, i'm still just going to sandbag in money matches because they aren't important to me, whatever!" then yeah, imo you'd be a *****, but if you already don't care about the PRs, it shouldn't matter anyway. obv this system isn't biased towards you or anything, but i think it will just make people more serious about this game in this state, and that's good.

and yeah i agree..wouldn't it be great if the PRs reflected skill to the lowest possible degree of error? this would surely be a step in the right direction for something like that, just like you said.... it simply involves people testing their skill in an official and more frequent manner... which i think is also super conducive towards getting people to improve....idk it seems like you like..enjoy holding yourself back


and not everyone can afford bringing a bunch of $5 bills to tournaments. a part of this is that ANY amount of money is cool, money is simply a symbol for official-ness, the amount is w/e.

By that logic, I should take every friendly seriously if I want to get better. Which is something I've started doing recently. And I'm not completely against accepting mms. I've been thinking I should do it more. The thing that annoys me is that you are completely delegitimizing people who don't, and I think its perfectly acceptable to not do mms.

I'm also fine with counting mms. We have always counted them. If people want to do more mms then awesome. Makes my job easier.

And you always say I put myself higher on the rankings, when the only reason I get that high is I'm one of the only players who consistently enters tournaments. I always have way more data than others. If your good and you don't have enough data, then you can't be placed high. Our rankings have always been a pretty damn good representation of tournament placing imo.

 

[Lightsyde]

I think I could beat Adam if I was playing well, we've gone mostly even the last few times I've played him.

Cam: Play me next week once I get back from Texas. I like seeing you in improvement mode.