The New Tier List

[th3kuzinator]

For me, nothing is more satisfying than a uair --> upb spike.

Thats the most enjoyment I will ever get out of kirby.

So what if the upb can be easily DI'd, its still fun to try!

 

[The Star King]

How do you DI the Up-B?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Well if am talking about if you are hit by both hitboxes. If you DI them both towards the stage, you can usually pop out at the top, or have enough room to make it back on w/o being spiked.

Keyboard di helps

 

[dandan]

i personally almost stopped using pika's fsmash, i feel as there are usually better options.
it is one of the easier moves to reverse ledge DI, as the hitlag is quite long, and well, i think usually going out to gimp just has more % of working. i also prefer pika's dtilt to hit fsmash.

 

[Korrupshen]

I spiked a guy off the **** inside it. DI was ugly. I mean SERIOUS West Coast DI.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Even though west coast says that, they have just as good DI as east does now. Except M2k probs, his Di is just nuts.

Armada's is kinda legit.

M2k > armada > mango

/stop talking about melee now.

 

[Korrupshen]

IMO I honestly think Luigi is greater than jigglypuff.

1. Jigglypuff can die real easy on low damage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEPpWv2Gbt8
Especially if your opponent isn't a experienced jigglypuff.

2. Jigglypuff can easily die if her shield is broken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaAo3j-h6xE

3. I think luigi recovery is better than rising pound. The fact that you can go higher with Tornado > Up+B and you got fireballs for Luigi to try to stop your opponent from edge-guarding and ledge hogging. Jigglypuff's not gonna be able to do anything but pound her way over her opponent, to her opponent, or to the ledge risking a spike depending on which character if she's floating at a low altitude.

 

[ballin4life]

Luigi has the advantage in a Luigi vs Jiggs matchup, but that doesn't mean that Luigi should automatically be higher on the tier list.

According to the match up chart, jiggs is better than luigi vs pika, falcon, ness and link. Also the tier list weights higher tier matchups more, so those better matchups for pika and falcon count for a lot

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

luigi can upsmash his way to victory unlike puff who just sits around all day.

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

Luigi has better recovery and more options when combin...
imo he should be higer than puff in the list.

 

[ballin4life]

Luigi has better recovery and more options when combin...

what?

Also you have to talk about matchups, you can't just say things like: Mario is harder to combo than Falcon. Mario should be above Falcon.

 

[Battlecow]

Samus is harder to combo than doug as well.

Samus is better than Doug!

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

Spoiler

yeah! and Link has more weapons than everyone, he should be top...

Ok, this may take a while, we could make some post to vote for the positions in the list, or... we can leave it just the way it is...
However, that was just my opinion about luigi and puff.

 

[NixxxoN]

tiers are 4 queers
/thread of over 9000 pages

just kidding

 

[Battlecow]

No guys I'm serious tires don exits just ask Zeus he plays kirby and pikachu so he would know.

 

[Kniram]

Can someone please, PLEASE edit the Ness/Jiggs switch on SmashWiki? I've tried it, but it always gets changed back, and I don't know how to link to anything or explain myself.

 

[Caesar]

ness is better than jiggz. get over it. He has projectiles, and powerful smash attack. all jiggs has is useless combos and rest

 

[Kniram]

Definitely not griping about the switch. If you'd even glance at SmashWiki, you'd notice its version of the list is not the same as the one on this thread.

 

[okisme]

its been fixed for awhile, what are you looking at?

the tier list is accurate, if anything put ness at bottom tier, and i main him

everything else is accurate though

 

[Kniram]

Ah. See, I was looking at the one under "list of NTSC tier lists," not the main article. That one's still messed up.

 

[th3kuzinator]

smash wiki is trash, all the good info on smashboards is in this section.

I also saw the smash64 section on AiB...LOL, SO BAD.

 

[Olikus]

smash wiki is trash, all the good info on smashboards is in this section.

I also saw the smash64 section on AiB...LOL, SO BAD.

Yeah. Smashwiki doesnt even have a taunt tier list.

 

[fragbait]

smash wiki is trash, all the good info on smashboards is in this section.

I also saw AiB...LOL, SO BAD.

edited for truth

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Can someone please, PLEASE edit the Ness/Jiggs switch on SmashWiki? I've tried it, but it always gets changed back, and I don't know how to link to anything or explain myself.

Use this wiki: http://www.ssbwiki.com/

You also have to register usually to edit articles like the Tier list on both wiki's since the pages are semi-protected.

 

[AtotheZ]

Where is the matchup chart at?

 

[ciaza]

Here.

Alternatively use the Smash Index.

 

[BRLNK88]

Sooo... why IS Luigi above Link? Are Luigi's tournament results just better, cuz Link clearly has a higher match-up score...

 

[th3kuzinator]

Characters gain huge advantages on the tier list because they do well againt higher tiered characters.

Luigi, for instance, dominates jiggs while link still does sub-par against everyone high than him (except luigi, really).

If there was a character that was specifically engineered to destroy pikachu, but was bad against everyone else, he would still be mid-tier.

 

[ciaza]

It's not about that Kuz, it's that according to the match-up chart technically Link should be above Luigi. Nobody's changed it on the official tier list though.

 

[asianaussie]

lol at 64 having tournament results

it doesn't really matter either way, they're probably the closest two characters in the tier list anyway, choose your favourite and put them on top

 

[BRLNK88]

Well lets see...
Luigi's 0-death combo ability is better, but he has bad aerial priority and a miserable time approaching, hampered by his bad short hop.
He also lacks a good projectile. His recovery is amazing but still predictable. His only good kill moves are shoryuken and up-smash, maybe down-b. Moves have average start up times. Good at edgeguarding, but pretty much any character is in this game.

Link has some pretty neat looking combos, but his ability is overall average. His aerial priority is great but he sucks at approaching, although has a great short hop. His projectile game is his bread and butter. His recovery is abysmal any way you swing it. Good kill moves include f-smash, d-smash, dair, fair and spin attack. However, this can be counteracted by his bad start-up times, and his finishers are still far from the best in the game.

Link beats Luigi face-to-face, 60:40.

Yeah, I'd put Link on top.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

link just gets completely shutdown when he's getting pressured/shield pressured

 

[ballin4life]

lol at 64 having tournament results

lol@u

it doesn't really matter either way, they're probably the closest two characters in the tier list anyway, choose your favourite and put them on top

But yeah I don't think many tourney results are going to involve Link or Luigi.

 

[Mew2King]

why is mario a tier and a half above luigi? A TIER AND A HALF WTF

I agree with the top 4 and the bottom 2, I don't know enough about 5-10 so I can't form an opinion on it, but looks accurate to me

 

[ciaza]

Q: Luigi and Mario are the same, but Luigi's Up-B is better! Why are they so far apart on the tier list?

A: Simple answer? They aren't the same. Mario has better horizontal air speed, contributing to a better approach. His short hop is low enough to make all of his aerials effective when used at the peak, and therefore the Mario brothers' short hop double aerial is more effective with him. His recovery is also far better - he can use the tornado from afar to get height, then send a screen of fireballs down. Luigi's fireballs are markedly inferior, being slow and of an inferior trajectory. Mario's Up-B is far superior for recovery, giving a large, constant hitbox and decent hitstun at the end, so even if you land on the stage it's not incredibly punishable (if the opponent is at high percents). Luigi's Up-B cannot be used to hit the opponent in recovery. While it's true that Luigi's zero-death combos are far easier to finish once they've started, Mario has plenty going for him that Luigi can only dream of, and as such he is simply a better character overall.

Taken from the Smash Index. Looks like noone has read this thing lol.

 

[asianaussie]

lol m2k should rep 64

lol@u

because we totally made the matchup chart and tier list using tournament results

when i say tournament results i mean a wide enough spread of results to have validity in the making of a matchup chart, not a couple smashfests here and there

But yeah I don't think many tourney results are going to involve Link or Luigi.

doesn't Isai go Luigi a lot in tournaments?

might just be doubles.

 

[King Funk]

why is mario a tier and a half above luigi? A TIER AND A HALF WTF

I agree with the top 4 and the bottom 2, I don't know enough about 5-10 so I can't form an opinion on it, but looks accurate to me

Mario has much faster horizontal movement (which is far more important), equally devastating combos, and a massively superior projectile. The angle his fireballs take cover a greater amount of space (the most infamous being how it covers the Hyrule box so well), are harder to dodge, are viable for edgeguarding (as long as the opponent is far enough from the edge) and helps him make his recovery a lot harder to gimp.

 

[ballin4life]

because we totally made the matchup chart and tier list using tournament results

when i say tournament results i mean a wide enough spread of results to have validity in the making of a matchup chart, not a couple smashfests here and there

Saying this is a lot different than saying lol @ 64 having tournament results

It's hard to find a game where the matchup chart is only based on tournament results anyway. It could maybe work for high tier matchups but low tier matchups are unlikely to happen in tournaments.

doesn't Isai go Luigi a lot in tournaments?

might just be doubles.

I've primarily seen Isai use Kirby in tournaments. Sometimes pikachu.

Mario has much faster horizontal movement (which is far more important), equally devastating combos, and a massively superior projectile. The angle his fireballs take cover a greater amount of space (the most infamous being how it covers the Hyrule box so well), are harder to dodge, are viable for edgeguarding (as long as the opponent is far enough from the edge) and helps him make his recovery a lot harder to gimp.

Luigi's combos are better (finishers) but other than that yeah.

 

[NixxxoN]

People also tend to suck at using slow chars (such as Luigi), because they prefer to use speed rather than being smart but oh well.

 

[BRLNK88]

IMO Link and Luigi are the funnest characters to play as, besides Falcon of course.
I wouldn't use them in a tournament, but they're fun to just experiment with.

btw, Link's up-tilt in the American version is absolute balls. I wish people here played Japanese version on the console.