The New Super Awesome Oregon Home Thread!!! :D

[keeper]

If you play a low tier, you don't think so much as go "ok let's get into position to use my 1 or 2 moves that don't completely suck....OVER AND OVER"

Playing Eriq in a nutshell: Okay, he's going to fair, edgecancel some stuff, then try to space fair on my and maybe dtilt or try to mindgame with parachute or firestick.

 

[The Jizzard]

lol

Good**** today to everyone. Had a lot of fun at this event, jonny we're taking doubles next time as long as we don't **** like we did lol. Ratking gg's in singles man I was DI ing your uairs like a boss but you just didn't care and killed me anyway. Jesse, too good as always. ****ard our matches are to close now you've got way better than you were a month or two ago for sure. Everyone else good seeing you hope to see you all at the next best bout.

hahaha yea dude that set was super close. its reassuring to see some progress after all the playing/practicing ive been doing

I am the best. You must be punished for your transgressions Ratking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_lSP8Vc3o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jYcW1nEsGk

Summary: Spacies are stupid good and are easy to use.

One says yes, one says no.

they might be stupid good but they are definitely not easy to use. foxs tech skill mixed with how fast he moves plus being able to react fast enough to combo makes him very hard to play. it might seem easy on paper to shffl everything, waveshine perfectly, and/or shine spike without gimping yourself, etc. etc. but when under pressure it takes a lot of self control and a players skill to play that well consistently.

i'd say shiek/marth is the easiest to use and also stupid good.

i personally think that shiek (also marth and peach) can **** the spacies so hard with little to no effort at all (any tilt/grab>fair>mediocre edge guarding and they should lose a stock). falcon can destroy them too if played correctly. i think the top 7-8 characters are pretty balanced each having there own good and bad qualities but to complain that 1-2 characters are so much better than all the others is dumb. if you cant beat someones fox, then practice more and learn the match up until you do.

 

[Surreal]

Marth/Peach/Sheik/Falcon combos/strings on spacies are way harder to do than spacies' combos/strings on them.

 

[keeper]

they might be stupid good but they are definitely not easy to use. foxs tech skill mixed with how fast he moves plus being able to react fast enough to combo makes him very hard to play. it might seem easy on paper to shffl everything, waveshine perfectly, and/or shine spike without gimping yourself, etc. etc. but when under pressure it takes a lot of self control and a players skill to play that well consistently.

i'd say shiek/marth is the easiest to use and also stupid good.

i personally think that shiek (also marth and peach) can **** the spacies so hard with little to no effort at all (any tilt/grab>fair>mediocre edge guarding and they should lose a stock). falcon can destroy them too if played correctly. i think the top 7-8 characters are pretty balanced each having there own good and bad qualities but to complain that 1-2 characters are so much better than all the others is dumb. if you cant beat someones fox, then practice more and learn the match up until you do.

Play my Fox as Sheik or Marth.

 

[Juce]

yeah wth, sheik doesn't require much thinking. just do spam tilts since people can't punish it. and hitting fox/falco out of the firefox is easy with the F air. i don't see how you have problems with that, maybe i read you wrong, didn't really want to read through all that...

Marth/Peach/Sheik/Falcon combos/strings on spacies are way harder to do than spacies' combos/strings on them.

i strongly disagree ;/

 

[keeper]

yeah wth, sheik doesn't require much thinking. just do spam tilts since people can't punish it. and hitting fox/falco out of the firefox is easy with the F air. i don't see how you have problems with that, maybe i read you wrong, didn't really want to read through all that...



i strongly disagree ;/

This has to be a troll post.

You only disagree because you go for ridiculous things instead of nair combos.

 

[Surreal]

yeah wth, sheik doesn't require much thinking. just do spam tilts since people can't punish it. and hitting fox/falco out of the firefox is easy with the F air. i don't see how you have problems with that, maybe i read you wrong, didn't really want to read through all that...



i strongly disagree ;/

Play your sheik/marth against spacies of equal or better skill. I can do simple tilt combos with sheik on people worse than me, but that's cause they're worse than me and don't know how to mix things up or DI.

Also I never see you use falcon against shane.

 

[Juce]

combos are easier, but winning isn't ;p

 

[Surreal]

I can't name how many times spacies have covered all options on me just cause they're either fast enough (they cover one tech option, and are able to cover the one I did after they guessed wrong cause they're that fast), or still succeeded in finishing a combo or ruined mine even after doing something stupid (I'm sorry but it's really stupid to play a fox who completely missed an usmash, and then hits you with the back part of it when you're going in to punish it and it kills you).

 

[Juce]

nair to nair to up smash requires so much more than f tilt to f tilt to f air. am i misunderstanding the argument?

 

[Juce]

I can't name how many times spacies have covered all options on me just cause they're either fast enough (they cover one tech option, and are able to cover the one I did after they guessed wrong cause they're that fast), or still succeeded in finishing a combo or ruined mine even after doing something stupid (I'm sorry but it's really stupid to play a fox who completely missed an usmash, and then hits you with the back part of it when you're going in to punish it and it kills you).

marth is so much more annoying when it comes to that stuff, he can cover everything just by d tilting and grabbing. which is much easier than spacing an up smash to cover two options like taht. but, the both are pretty easy xD

 

[The Jizzard]

Play my Fox as Sheik or Marth.

ok. i might lose. not because fox is better than them but because you are a better player than me (for now ) even if i played you as falco/fox against your shiek you could win. foos did. he 4 stocked my falco on FD last wednesday and beat my fox at tournament all with shiek.

 

[Surreal]

No like you can tell when they weren't covering options. I'm not talking about reverse usmash to edgeguard a recovering falcon. I mean a fox running towards you, you run through them and go behind as they tried to usmash, and then go back to punish, to only get hit by the end of it.

I also don't think people really give the other characters credit. I think OR generally thinks of sheik and marth as easy, but it's only cause they aren't played and understood, and OR generally knows the spacie matchup much more, and thus knows their weaknesses more (so it's easier to say "Fox/Falco have all these flaws, so for Marth/etc it's so easy").

 

[keeper]

nair to nair to up smash requires so much more than f tilt to f tilt to f air. am i misunderstanding the argument?

You are. The point is that I can't run up to you and just ftilt until I hit without being punished and you can actually come at me with nair instead of waiting for me to mess up. Fox can force favorable situations simply by being aggressive.

 

[The Jizzard]

No like you can tell when they weren't covering options. I'm not talking about reverse usmash to edgeguard a recovering falcon. I mean a fox running towards you, you run through them and go behind as they tried to usmash, and then go back to punish, to only get hit by the end of it.

this happens to me when i run to marths back as he is up tilting and still get hit. its all just bad spacing/timing.

 

[Juce]

okay, so fox is dumb 'cause he can create favorable situations better than the other characters?

 

[keeper]

okay, so fox is dumb 'cause he can create favorable situations better than the other characters?

And force them by being aggressive, unlike every other character in the game that isn't Falco.

 

[Surreal]

I would consider fox usmash a safer move than marth utilt. It's faster with cooldown I'm pretty sure, and he can go across the stage to use it a lot faster due to his dash speed (can also use his dash speed to get out of there if he flubs it, while marth WD'ing away is a little slower, and fox also has his shine if he needs to do something immediately to protect himself). It also has more range in front of him than marth's utilt probably, and he can do it out of shield.

 

[debaser]

jesse: I work wednesday nights sadly and never wanna drive to portland afterwards. Ill come over soon for games and ****. tomorrow/tuesday night?

johnny: I bet lol. but yeah, ditto.

cat: good to see you back in oregon :O

guy with the jeff mangum avatar: hi Im scott lets be friends.

meditation is a wonderful thing. at once the easiest and hardest thing to do.

sick tournament yesterday despite modest turnout compared to previous bb's. bummed I missed minh. oregon's got a nice little scene again.

the phoenix is stretching its scraggly wings, getting the feel of the wind in its feathers. if you will

 

[The Jizzard]

I would consider fox usmash a safer move than marth utilt. It's faster with cooldown I'm pretty sure, and he can go across the stage to use it a lot faster due to his dash speed (can also use his dash speed to get out of there if he flubs it, while marth WD'ing away is a little slower, and fox also has his shine if he needs to do something immediately to protect himself). It also has more range in front of him than marth's utilt probably, and he can do it out of shield.

i wasnt comparing the two moves for which one was better i was just saying that some moves are hella gay and hit you when you think they shouldnt. but thats just part of the game. if you are getting hit by the back of foxs usmash then dont approach from behind or wait till the move is over.

 

[Juce]

fox is a broken character in theory, but obviously he can't be utilized 100%. if anything, i understand the falco argument. he can approach extremely safely without much consideration. but fox requires a lot of mental stability and focus. 'cause if you just spam attacks and tech skill without thinking, you'll just be a BC who can't beat anyone. but being able to do that and think about the match at hand takes up a lot of mental load. left and right brain. which is necessary to play him as broken as possible.

jesse: I work wednesday nights sadly and never wanna drive to portland afterwards. Ill come over soon for games and ****. tomorrow/tuesday night?

johnny: I bet lol. but yeah, ditto.

cat: good to see you back in oregon :O

guy with the jeff mangum avatar: hi Im scott lets be friends.

meditation is a wonderful thing. at once the easiest and hardest thing to do.

sick tournament yesterday despite modest turnout compared to previous bb's. bummed I missed minh. oregon's got a nice little scene again.

the phoenix is stretching its scraggly wings, getting the feel of the wind in its feathers. if you will

yeah, i start work tomorrow, but i'll still have all afternoon to play. anyone else want to come for some smash? i'm looking at you jeff

 

[Surreal]

My main point was, spacies have a lot of moves like that, that are either silly with hitboxes, or really fast, so even when you're playing well you can lose momentum to really dumb things.

Shine alone is like luigi's nair where you can like spam it and hope it comes out to try and avoid getting techchased or combo'd. That doesn't scream of skill at all so much as relying on stupid good characters to do their thing.

fox is a broken character in theory, but obviously he can't be utilized 100%. if anything, i understand the falco argument. he can approach extremely safely without much consideration. but fox requires a lot of mental stability and focus. 'cause if you just spam attacks and tech skill without thinking, you'll just be a BC how can't beat anyone. but being able to do that and think about the match at hand takes up a lot of mental load. left and right brain.




yeah, i start work tomorrow, but i'll still have all afternoon to play. anyone else want to come for some smash? i'm looking at you jeff

Except BC also refuses to ever usmash or uair and always goes for kills off the side (I'm not joking), thus neglecting fox's strength with killing power. He'll like uthrow you as marth at 90, and then bair you when you're playing on YS or something.

Also no u come here so you can lemme borrow your AR. ;D

Also, I can stream. And I have two headsets!

 

[keeper]

fox is a broken character in theory, but obviously he can't be utilized 100%. if anything, i understand the falco argument. he can approach extremely safely without much consideration. but fox requires a lot of mental stability and focus. 'cause if you just spam attacks and tech skill without thinking, you'll just be a BC who can't beat anyone. but being able to do that and think about the match at hand takes up a lot of mental load. left and right brain. which is necessary to play him as broken as possible.

I don't get why you think Fox's approaches are any different or less safe except for lack of laser stun.

 

[Juce]

experience?

 

[keeper]

experience?

Give me an example.

 

[Mr Postman]

guy with the jeff mangum avatar: hi Im scott lets be friends.

Scott is a good guy you should accept that friend request!

also I love jeff mangum forever but I love his sweater forever AND ever.

 

[Juce]

i'm not a big theory craftier, but he can get away quicker with his double jump and like you said, lasers help a lot. he can follow up on shine JC grab if he hits with the shine. longer hit boxes on aerials. slower short hop gives him lots more time to vary timing on his aerials. iunno, stuff like that i guess.

and you need slower tech skill. that might be the biggest thing...

 

[Izayah]

Ethan was asking me about how y'all felt about Friday's. There wouldn't be a tournament that day but you could still be playing.

 

[Ratking1234]

Ok, this is my last go at this, because ultimately, A) it doesn't really matter and B) I don't want this thread to digress into such a stupid discussion.

Falco's recovery/recovies is dynamic, can sweetspot, and has a hitbox.

I am just saying as fox, I find it easier to take advantage of Falco, than I do Falcon. This isn't to say I don't find both easy to take advantage of. I just feel like a good Falcon can mix it up a lot more, and has a lot more options, in terms of where they choose to recover from, than does a Falco.

Fox and Falco's lasers come out and end much faster than Sheik or Peach's projectiles. Both Peach and Sheik have amazing projectiles that render a lot of the rest of the cast useless and hinder many others. Maybe Peach will become the new "good character that people hate if they didn't already" character. She is held back by her ground speed and that Fox kills her very easily.

On the stage Falco obviously has the best projectile in the game. Fox's is pretty stupid. It is good for chip damage, and camping to some degree, but it is hardly broken by any stretch. Peach and Sheik are the only two top tier characters that can use their projectiles to edgeguard as well. Turnips off the edge are probably one of the best and safest ways to take a stock, or setup peach for an easy edgeguard. Against falco, needles can easily take a stock, and if they don't, against Falco and Fox, they provide an easy setup for an edgeguard as well. I am not going to get into turnips and needles against the other top tier characters, but they are equally as effective I think.

I know I need to work on edgeguarding. It's not something you learn when over half of one's practice is on computers.
Sheik's nair only hits if I maintain ledge invincibility.

Not true, it is equally as effective if you trade nair with burn from Fox's up B, and against Falco, it shouldn't even trade, you should just do it easily. It's not hard. I just started playing Sheik and I don't find it to be a problem. Trading, if worst case scenario, at the expensive of an easy kill, sounds pretty good to me.

Fox and Falco are both "center stage" characters. If you own the middle of the lowest spot of the center of the stage as either of them, you are in a very good position to do almost all that you please and are also as safe as possible. They work from the center out utilizing their combos and maneuverability.

Again, I see this as silly theory crafting. Yeah, in theory that is how it should work, but no match is static, unforeseen things happen all the time, and as hard as one tries to control the center of the stage, it doesn't always happen. Especially with all the platform tricksies that all the characters have developed since I stopped playing, it is almost terrifying to try to be under any platform, or any elongated period of time. There are so many options when platforms come into play. If we are talking strictly FD, then I guess yeah, fox and Falco can easily control the stage in this manner. On a stage with platforms, I would concede that Falco probably does a better job of controlling the stage in this manner, than probably any other character, due to how good his vertical game is.

I'd also say Fox being able to kill almost any character at 4% is pretty damn good with shine and Falco's spike being what it is.

This is why I feel Fox was originally 3rd on the tier list, when I started playing, and pretty much solely because of this. I think that the shine, although an amazing kill move, is not as easy now to get as it once was. It is still pretty easy, especially against other Fox's, Falco's and Falcon's, but other characters, there is a lot of room for error; and against ANY character, if there is an error, then it puts you typically in a horrible position, and often times results in the loss of a stock, if playing against a good player, when missed.

I don't understand this. I'm sure Binx would be more precise in saying Fox is a lot better against Ice Climbers than Sheik is. Fox is better against Peach if you play it campy and get good grabs.

I just think that Sheik vs. IC's involves a lot less work. You don't need to leave the ground to approach, and your options as Fox when they approach you, aren't as clear cut as they are against other characters, or as it seems in the post you referenced in your prior posting. When they approach me and I am Fox, I usually run away, and continue avoiding them. One small mistake with Fox and you get grabbed easily. Sheik doesn't need to leave the ground, reducing a lot of potential to get grabbed, and the tilts provide an easy way to keep them away when approaching you. Marth is even better at this, which is why it'd be nice to be able to play him. As far as edgeguarding them, I feel Sheik and Fox have relatively even options.

Sheik Kills Your Peach At Leisure. That is why I would play her against Peach. Again this is one of those matchups that are really good for Fox, but small mistakes can completely cripple you in this one due to being a fast faller. I feel similar mistakes with Sheik are less crippling. This one really doesn't come down to a character matchup for me, as much as it does how much effort I am willing, or able for that matter, to put in, when I need to put it in.

I honestly just really liked the video and couldn't find one of Cyrain beating Tope since Tope has his number.

I thought Fox was crazy, and easy, and unbeatable though? I am sure it isn't because one of them is just better. Because even if Tope was better, Fox should still win because he is Fox, and for no other reason.

I feel if Otto actually played a more pragmatic style he'd see more success. If someone has such an amount of tech skill, they will have an absurd amount of technical consistency that can be applied to more realistic scenarios. See: Mango's ridiculous Fox. Otto does play smarter than he used to, but I still think he needs to slow down and use more of the abuses he holds instead of the "wow that's really cool man" stuff he does.

This is probably true, but if he also keeps taking the technical game to new levels, it becomes unnecessary to care about being smart, at a certain point. Umbreon Mow's post: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=311129, highlights this a little bit. And actually is generally a really good post that I agree with a large amount of (Surprisingly)

What opportunities can they take advantage of?

With the slower pace of the match, I feel it is a lot easier to begin to catch on to things, and to make reads. This style of play also seems like it it would be easier for someone, like a sheik for instance, to control a side of the stage, utilizing one of the platforms, and controlling the ledge, and to ideally do the same thing to them.

Do it.

No.

Explain to me how one tunes out things that are subconscious when the whole idea of subconscious is that you don't tune it out. After tuning out people, the bad music playing, and other TVs, there's only so much sensory information that can be taken in and filtered out. It's like if I could somehow withstand eating raw garlic cloves prior to playing you and intentionally mouth breathing in your direction the whole time, it's going to **** with you and you're not going to like it, though I doubt it would give you a headache as does the smell of smoke to me.

I don't plan on picking up smoking and it's not like I'm going to go beat off right before playing you then somehow fashion a manner so that you have to smell my semen the whole time I'm playing you.

Garlic? go for it. I eat raw garlic at work all the time. **** is the bomb. Almost as good as raw onions. As for the beating off comment. I don't even know how to take that. But you might have chose something a little less strange to say. I also wasn't aware that Sperm had an overwhelming odor. You might wanna get that checked out if yours does.

It doesn't always suck, I just have major issues playing games while listening to music. It severely messes with me (when I do it at home). You'll never see me playing smash with headphones on.

Again, this is one of those things then that you need to figure out a personal solution to. Everyone has these kind of external problems that they have to overcome. Those of us with fewer of them, are really lucky, and are typically the people that reach top levels of play pretty rapidly. It sounds like you've been sheltered up in primarily comfortable conditions your entire life. Perhaps learning to deal with being uncomfortable would be helpful. Try walking around with a pebble in your shoe all day. A little discomfort builds a lot of character. lol.

I ate a garlic clove on Christmas Eve when I was 15. My mouth and throat burned for the next 3 days, I don't recommend being Wario.

So was this last year or something?

Summary: Spacies are stupid good and are easy to use.

One says yes, one says no.

Stupid good yes, stupid easy....

they might be stupid good but they are definitely not easy to use. foxs tech skill mixed with how fast he moves plus being able to react fast enough to combo makes him very hard to play. it might seem easy on paper to shffl everything, waveshine perfectly, and/or shine spike without gimping yourself, etc. etc. but when under pressure it takes a lot of self control and a players skill to play that well consistently.

i'd say shiek/marth is the easiest to use and also stupid good.

Pretty much hit it spot on. I think ultimately the spacies have the highest potential of any characters. But the effort that goes into playing them vs. the reward is way higher I feel than characters like Sheik, Marth and Jiggs. A mid level Jiggs vs. a mid level Fox, the Jiggs I see being better. Those characters are a lot easier to make rapid improvements in play with, because the basis of what makes them good isn't rooted in the technical realm. Playing the spacies to the degree keeper and Surreal seem to be saying they are stupid because of, takes a lot of work, and a really good and talented player in my opinion. No one in Oregon should really be terribly concerned with this level of play unless they plan to start traveling, because the closest place it exists is in Washington.

to be addicted... i have no other reason. i get nauseous when i smoke ;/

At this point... This is me, minus the nauseous part.

I can play Fox. I stopped playing him because I felt like I didn't have to think to play him the majority of the time and when I do, I just play campy and people hate it.


By campy I mean: BAIR BAIR BAIR BAIR LASER SOMETIMES BAIR BAIR BAIR GRAB LOL DED

if you're not thinking the majority of the time playing him, that just means you're better. if you want to have to think most of the time to beat someone, play low tier ;p

Actually, this is not a troll post. It is true. The more you analyze what you are doing, and really conscious of what you are doing with Fox, the worse playing him becomes. I find myself doing the best when a large part of my analytical headspace is preoccupied with something else while playing him. It allows the technical aspect of him to just flow then. But of course not so preoccupied that I can't pay attention to what is going on in the grand scheme of the match. It is just easier to think less about what I am doing. Focusing on what me,the player is doing, is the worst when playing Fox. I only really wanna see what is going on.

There's also the factor that I hate it too and rather stickywalk into nair shine combos.

Regarding pants: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8tink7pZZg

Again, if this is a problem for you, you should read that Umbreon Mow post, and possibly reconsider what it is you want from this game. Cause it seems you are positioned between one of two ways of thinking about, and playing the game, and you really can't have both. He also gives some pretty good advice that I think might help with your general attitude and demeanor when it comes to talking about, and playing the game. In one of your previous posts you talked about not coming because you didn't want to be tired and angry all day, or something to that effect. He gives some really solid advice on feeling this way. I think the only thing that I ultimately don't agree with him on, are his thoughts on not having fun if you want to get good at this game. I think really the only way to get good, is if you are having fun. If you aren't you just end up on a plateau you will never get off.

Anyway, I am done with this discussion. It seems like a pretty moot point in the end; and really is just a series of long annoying posts.

 

[Ratking1234]

experience?

I just spent way to long writing the last post, to update with the stuff posted since then. But this pretty much sums up EVERYTHING about this game. EVERYTHING. The player with the most of this, until a point where both players have an equal amount of it, will win. Then we can talk about character matchups and how broken characters are. But I see two players who seem to have very little experience, although can play the game pretty well, making sweeping generalizations.

 

[Juce]

Good show though

 

[Surreal]

If one of those "two people" is aimed at me, then let me state:

I can't play the game well.

I am babby.

 

[TheCatPhysician]

http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf

edit: jesse i sent you another pm lol

 

[keeper]

My responses are kept short, the post is only long due to quotations since I felt having the material so you can see what I was addressing right next to each respective point was nice.

Ok, this is my last go at this, because ultimately, A) it doesn't really matter and B) I don't want this thread to digress into such a stupid discussion.

Okay, but there are some loose ends that still suck.

I am just saying as fox, I find it easier to take advantage of Falco, than I do Falcon. This isn't to say I don't find both easy to take advantage of. I just feel like a good Falcon can mix it up a lot more, and has a lot more options, in terms of where they choose to recover from, than does a Falco.

I guess this is just an opinion, but I'd say use more forward smash.

Not true, it is equally as effective if you trade nair with burn from Fox's up B, and against Falco, it shouldn't even trade, you should just do it easily. It's not hard. I just started playing Sheik and I don't find it to be a problem. Trading, if worst case scenario, at the expensive of an easy kill, sounds pretty good to me.

It also sounds really bad at the same time when you get stage spiked while doing it due to some weird scenario and it doesn't hit you so that you stay alive.

This is why I feel Fox was originally 3rd on the tier list, when I started playing, and pretty much solely because of this. I think that the shine, although an amazing kill move, is not as easy now to get as it once was. It is still pretty easy, especially against other Fox's, Falco's and Falcon's, but other characters, there is a lot of room for error; and against ANY character, if there is an error, then it puts you typically in a horrible position, and often times results in the loss of a stock, if playing against a good player, when missed.

I don't know about "horrible," but I'd agree with unfavorable. Fox is good at recovering, he doesn't die from a regular shine spike, after all.

I just think that Sheik vs. IC's involves a lot less work. You don't need to leave the ground to approach, and your options as Fox when they approach you, aren't as clear cut as they are against other characters, or as it seems in the post you referenced in your prior posting. When they approach me and I am Fox, I usually run away, and continue avoiding them. One small mistake with Fox and you get grabbed easily. Sheik doesn't need to leave the ground, reducing a lot of potential to get grabbed, and the tilts provide an easy way to keep them away when approaching you. Marth is even better at this, which is why it'd be nice to be able to play him. As far as edgeguarding them, I feel Sheik and Fox have relatively even options.

The ICs chain grab is a bit more effective on Sheik if he does get the grab and shine is good at splitting the, is what it comes down to afaik.

Sheik Kills Your Peach At Leisure.

I see what you did.

That is why I would play her against Peach. Again this is one of those matchups that are really good for Fox, but small mistakes can completely cripple you in this one due to being a fast faller. I feel similar mistakes with Sheik are less crippling. This one really doesn't come down to a character matchup for me, as much as it does how much effort I am willing, or able for that matter, to put in, when I need to put it in.

Peach cripples everyone's small mistakes.

I thought Fox was crazy, and easy, and unbeatable though? I am sure it isn't because one of them is just better. Because even if Tope was better, Fox should still win because he is Fox, and for no other reason.

I don't know, watching Cyrain airdodge off the stage and flub everything against him is kind of painful to watch. The tone of this sentence is really mocking and I don't appreciate it.

This is probably true, but if he also keeps taking the technical game to new levels, it becomes unnecessary to care about being smart, at a certain point. Umbreon Mow's post: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=311129, highlights this a little bit. And actually is generally a really good post that I agree with a large amount of (Surprisingly)

I'll have to read it later.

With the slower pace of the match, I feel it is a lot easier to begin to catch on to things, and to make reads. This style of play also seems like it it would be easier for someone, like a sheik for instance, to control a side of the stage, utilizing one of the platforms, and controlling the ledge, and to ideally do the same thing to them.

I think it's more of a stylistic thing where you're okay with relinquishing that control while maintaining the control simply because the other person feels in a favorite spot. Aren't a few martial arts based off of this idea?

No.

Do it.

Garlic? go for it. I eat raw garlic at work all the time. **** is the bomb. Almost as good as raw onions. As for the beating off comment. I don't even know how to take that. But you might have chose something a little less strange to say. I also wasn't aware that Sperm had an overwhelming odor. You might wanna get that checked out if yours does.

There was something with this garlic where it was like 3 months old. It was strong, Warioman strong.
Raw onions smell like ****.
Maybe I eat a lot of red meat and oily food and it permeates through my ejaculate. If I collect enough in a concentrated manner I bet I could get some rank smelling baby-batter.

The actual point of the masturbatory comment is that it's a similar phenomena in which the there's a rush of chemicals to the brain causing relaxation and other fancy bull****. The fact that you go outside to suck down a cigarette before every set then sit down next to your opponent buts you at multiple advantages being an addict considering you effect their subconscious and conscious headspace while also leveling your own out by satiating your body's need prior to playing. It's fairly similar to the case where kids pop Adderall prior to tournaments when they don't need it.

Again, this is one of those things then that you need to figure out a personal solution to. Everyone has these kind of external problems that they have to overcome. Those of us with fewer of them, are really lucky, and are typically the people that reach top levels of play pretty rapidly. It sounds like you've been sheltered up in primarily comfortable conditions your entire life. Perhaps learning to deal with being uncomfortable would be helpful. Try walking around with a pebble in your shoe all day. A little discomfort builds a lot of character. lol.

I think that's kind of an unfair statement since I don't think you know how I grew up at all. If you would prefer to know, I have a lot of familial issues (you know, suburban white kid problems). A large part of the reason I ever played video games was to tune them out, or at least attempt to ignore it.
I've had my share of physical discomforts, they don't translate well to mental and emotional desensitizing.

So was this last year or something?

How old do you realistically think I am?

Stupid good yes, stupid easy....

The pragmatic style isn't difficult to do. I thought we agreed on this?

Pretty much hit it spot on. I think ultimately the spacies have the highest potential of any characters. But the effort that goes into playing them vs. the reward is way higher I feel than characters like Sheik, Marth and Jiggs. A mid level Jiggs vs. a mid level Fox, the Jiggs I see being better. Those characters are a lot easier to make rapid improvements in play with, because the basis of what makes them good isn't rooted in the technical realm. Playing the spacies to the degree keeper and Surreal seem to be saying they are stupid because of, takes a lot of work, and a really good and talented player in my opinion. No one in Oregon should really be terribly concerned with this level of play unless they plan to start traveling, because the closest place it exists is in Washington.

I used to main Fox. lol

At this point... This is me, minus the nauseous part.

To be or because one is?

Actually, this is not a troll post. It is true. The more you analyze what you are doing, and really conscious of what you are doing with Fox, the worse playing him becomes. I find myself doing the best when a large part of my analytical headspace is preoccupied with something else while playing him. It allows the technical aspect of him to just flow then. But of course not so preoccupied that I can't pay attention to what is going on in the grand scheme of the match. It is just easier to think less about what I am doing. Focusing on what me,the player is doing, is the worst when playing Fox. I only really wanna see what is going on.

I understand this, but I'm sure you've felt the sort of auto-pilot where you kept falling into the same thing repeatedly and getting punished the same where a form of reinforcement and conditioning never even penetrates your current reasoning on why you keep doing it. That's the sort of thing I was talking about.

Again, if this is a problem for you, you should read that Umbreon Mow post, and possibly reconsider what it is you want from this game. Cause it seems you are positioned between one of two ways of thinking about, and playing the game, and you really can't have both. He also gives some pretty good advice that I think might help with your general attitude and demeanor when it comes to talking about, and playing the game. In one of your previous posts you talked about not coming because you didn't want to be tired and angry all day, or something to that effect. He gives some really solid advice on feeling this way. I think the only thing that I ultimately don't agree with him on, are his thoughts on not having fun if you want to get good at this game. I think really the only way to get good, is if you are having fun. If you aren't you just end up on a plateau you will never get off.

I don't have fun when I lose to something and when the solution is far too nebulous as to what should even be done. Especially when I feel at an inherent disadvantage due to atmosphere, support, and yes, the overall game's actual balance. Surely you don't think Sheik has a favorable match-up against Fox (that being more than 50:50 in her favor).

Anyway, I am done with this discussion. It seems like a pretty moot point in the end; and really is just a series of long annoying posts.

Okay, but I'd still like a response to the things that came off a bit like personal jabs.

I just spent way to long writing the last post, to update with the stuff posted since then. But this pretty much sums up EVERYTHING about this game. EVERYTHING. The player with the most of this, until a point where both players have an equal amount of it, will win. Then we can talk about character matchups and how broken characters are. But I see two players who seem to have very little experience, although can play the game pretty well, making sweeping generalizations.

I don't know if you even know when I started playing since it was after you had stopped. That seems rather dismissive.

 

[christianizcool]

guy with the jeff mangum avatar: hi Im scott lets be friends.

haha yes, let's!

 

[Cactuarz]

@keeper I got much better about that =p That was when i was first learning edge cancels, i'm not as rediculously predictable now =) Play me wednesday in all my rusty glory!

 

[debaser]

Thanks for that posting that Mow article. He is one of the great sages of smash.

Ultimately, you have to at some point realize that the only love that matters is the verb form; love isn't something you feel, it's something you do.

was not expecting this wisdom bomb to show up in an internet post about super smash brothers.

 

[indigestible_wad]

Ethan was asking me about how y'all felt about Friday's. There wouldn't be a tournament that day but you could still be playing.

I prefer wednesdays.

Cactuarz the smashfest starts at five in case you werent sure.

 

[DrunkenMaster]

hahaha just read the last 3 pages i've missed since saturday. This game is awesome.

 

[christianizcool]

Alright, so since I can't make it this Wednesday, I am really itching to get some playing in. So if anyone wants, you are invited over to play. I live right by PSU so if you are in the area and have free time, come on over. I have class Tuesday and Thursday until 6:30, but besides that, I am free (except, I think I am going out with friends Thursday night, but besides that I am free).

Just text me, my number is (253) 217-0746 and let me know you are from Smashboards.