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The New Super Awesome Oregon Home Thread!!! :D
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Mr Postman
Smash Journeyman
I'll be there but I have to leave around four! :/
anyways debaser we need to play friendlies
anyways debaser we need to play friendlies
Peach Masta
Smash Lord
to be fair that kamaster vs hugs set also took place in a super outdated metagame like 4 years ago. Might as well say Marth is the best since Ken won all of those tournaments.
I do agree though that for the most part there are like 6 characters in this game
I do agree though that for the most part there are like 6 characters in this game
actually nvm, I can afford 5 bucks and best bout deserves my money. the beverage offer is still open though, izayah, cuz youre the best TO oregon's seen in a while
yeah, good point. it was before mango and lucky and zhu became world class. still I think character johns are bandied about far too much around these parts.
Izayah
Smash Journeyman
Awesome! Alpenrose Chocolate milk is the name of the game! You and I may have to work out something eventually for your generosity.
DrunkenMaster
Smash Rookie
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I know I don't really have the status to say this because I am not very good, but, in my opinion I always feel like its the hands behind the controller that always turns the tides, and its the character that evolves with the player, and not vise versa.
Granted I understand lower tiers have a lot more 'evolving' to do. Less innovated players play them maybe
I feel like the tier list is actually the perfect example to my point, just think about it.
When do characters move up the tier list?
Granted I understand lower tiers have a lot more 'evolving' to do. Less innovated players play them maybe
I feel like the tier list is actually the perfect example to my point, just think about it.
When do characters move up the tier list?
keeper
Smash Champion
Cminh plays Marth and Falco.
I'm not an idiotic and I don't think that's a fair statement at all.
Fox and Falco are the two hardest characters to punish. They each have a fantastic 1 frame move, Sheik's fastest non-jab is 7 and easy to punish (dsmash).
I'm not going tomorrow. I'll just be tired all day and go home angry and bitter. I haven't had a day off all week anyway.
I'm not an idiotic and I don't think that's a fair statement at all.
Fox and Falco are the two hardest characters to punish. They each have a fantastic 1 frame move, Sheik's fastest non-jab is 7 and easy to punish (dsmash).
I'm not going tomorrow. I'll just be tired all day and go home angry and bitter. I haven't had a day off all week anyway.
hey, I meant zero percent of me saying you're an idiot, hence the edit of what I actually meant. I post good.
and I can't refute anything you're saying-they're just facts-but I feel like punishing encompasses so much more than just finding gaps in your opponents attacks.
keeper
Smash Champion
You can pretty much only punish the gaps they create while having poor enough spacing to be close enough to you to be hit by one of your moves. The gaps are the mistakes, at least that's how I see it. You can obviously punish any mistake, but that's what I feel the mistakes actually are.
TheCatPhysician
Smash Ace
But of course there's more than spacing. There's falling into predictable routines, for example. But those aren't objective mistakes that can be said of any player; it's all situational...I think that's what debaser's getting at -- when you're actually playing there are more factors in play than what you can apply universally on pen and paper
christianizcool
Smash Cadet
I will be there tomorrow! And if I end up getting decently competitive (which I sure hope to), I main Samus, but I am also testing out Jiggs and Peach. So maybe in a few months I could help remedy this alleged issue of over-saturation of characters 
DrunkenMaster
Smash Rookie
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I can understand your frustration keeper. but your standards and ideals will make you better
and yet no one has an answer to my question?
and yet no one has an answer to my question?
ChinesePanda777
Smash Apprentice
<3
You should see my Marth dash-dance; it's pretty sick. I go so far as to turning around in place repeatedly and rage-pausing the game.
Also, Falcon should always be included in discussions of top-tier characters because of his shear manliness and style. Just sayin.
characters move up the tier list when someone starts owning in tournaments with that character. jiggs went up because of mango and then hungrybox's success. I definitely don't think she is top tier though with fox falco sheik and marth.
@ Cat:
yeah that's pretty much what I was thinking about. punishing predictable movements.
keeper
Smash Champion
Jigglypuff's placing is inflated. Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth, Peach, Falcon, and Jigglypuff are all the highest ones with Fox>Falco being the top two regardless of the rest of the list, Falcon never being higher than Marth or Sheik, and Marth does better against spacies than Sheik.
Even if some characters move up because someone did well with them (ex: Mewtwo), he's still in low tier and is still going to be a garbage character. Pikachu will never be higher than midtier.
Even if some characters move up because someone did well with them (ex: Mewtwo), he's still in low tier and is still going to be a garbage character. Pikachu will never be higher than midtier.
Izayah
Smash Journeyman
www.twitch.tv/bestbout
Melee Doubles is getting ready to start.
Melee Doubles is getting ready to start.
DrunkenMaster
Smash Rookie
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longest night ever, slept in, no BB for me le sigh
le sigh
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
You forgot G&W... I'm thinkin of heading to corvallis for my 21'st bday (wednesday) anyone wanna show up with me, play against a rusty old retired G&W?
AlienAllen
Smash Ace
That is EXTREMELY debatable. M2K has repeatedly switched to Sheik against spacies in high level matches.
Surreal
Smash Ace
It probably depends on which spacie it is. iirc he thinks that Sheik/Fox is even, so he may feel more comfortable using sheik instead of marth against fox at times.
TheCatPhysician
Smash Ace
Who won Melee singles?
keeper
Smash Champion
Using one case obviously negates every other case.
Izayah
Smash Journeyman
Gage won Melee singles. I will post full results later.
JonnyW
Smash Ace
Good games everyone.
Debaser I can't wait to MM more.
ps.Me and foos 8 stocked Ratking and dawg
Debaser I can't wait to MM more.
ps.Me and foos 8 stocked Ratking and dawg
indigestible_wad
Smash Lord
**** yes. Although I'd somehow have to get down there.
Ratking1234
Smash Ace
keeper, sorry bro, but your argument is so tired. Not to mention, at least Falco is one of the most easily punishable characters, in my opinion; which confuses me as to why you think he doesn't get punished. Falco is amazing ON the stage, but one of the easiest characters, even easier than Capt. Falcon, to take advantage of returning to the stage.
Fox although harder to take advantage of off the stage, is still pretty easy to edgeguard. I feel like any character who moves in a straight line while recovering is pretty easy to take advantage of actually. If you actually left the stage to edgeguard, you might find that you play one of the characters that can take advantage of this the easiest, next to jiggs and possibly peach.
Regardless I am not trying to argue that those characters aren't good. They are amazing. But they also take an incredible amount of effort and work to do good with. This is exactly why I picked up sheik for a few character matchups recently. There are so many matches where Fox or Falco go "even" with a certain character, but the amount of work you have to put in to go even, is far greater than the other character; while there are other options that provide an even matchup as well, but the technical work both players have to do to keep the match even, is also seemingly even.
Ultimately, those characters take a lot of work to play at a high level of play. And to be consistent with them, is pretty hard. This is Jesse's biggest flaw. I am pretty confident that when on top of his game, Jesse is easily the best player in Oregon. However maintaining a high level of consistency at a high level of play with those characters proves to be really difficult. What makes the characters so good in the end, has more to do with the player playing than the character itself.
Fox although harder to take advantage of off the stage, is still pretty easy to edgeguard. I feel like any character who moves in a straight line while recovering is pretty easy to take advantage of actually. If you actually left the stage to edgeguard, you might find that you play one of the characters that can take advantage of this the easiest, next to jiggs and possibly peach.
Regardless I am not trying to argue that those characters aren't good. They are amazing. But they also take an incredible amount of effort and work to do good with. This is exactly why I picked up sheik for a few character matchups recently. There are so many matches where Fox or Falco go "even" with a certain character, but the amount of work you have to put in to go even, is far greater than the other character; while there are other options that provide an even matchup as well, but the technical work both players have to do to keep the match even, is also seemingly even.
Ultimately, those characters take a lot of work to play at a high level of play. And to be consistent with them, is pretty hard. This is Jesse's biggest flaw. I am pretty confident that when on top of his game, Jesse is easily the best player in Oregon. However maintaining a high level of consistency at a high level of play with those characters proves to be really difficult. What makes the characters so good in the end, has more to do with the player playing than the character itself.
AlienAllen
Smash Ace
He is the only person I can think of that plays both Sheik and Marth, and he plays in top level games. It is not to his advantage to switch to a character with a worse matchup.
And I think it is laughable that you complain about only two characters being viable when they don't really win that many tournaments.
Genesis: Jigglypuff
Genesis 2: Peach
Pound 4: Jigglypuff
Pound 5: Falco
Apex: Jigglypuff
RoM 2: Jigglypuff
RoM 3: Falco
Clearly Fox and Falco are broken and the only viable characters.
Ratking1234
Smash Ace
P.S. **** Ganondorf. Amirite Izayah
Surreal
Smash Ace
Ganondorf dabes.
FoosJr
Smash Ace
lol
Good**** today to everyone. Had a lot of fun at this event, jonny we're taking doubles next time as long as we don't **** like we did lol. Ratking gg's in singles man I was DI ing your uairs like a boss but you just didn't care and killed me anyway. Jesse, too good as always. ****ard our matches are to close now you've got way better than you were a month or two ago for sure. Everyone else good seeing you hope to see you all at the next best bout.
TheCatPhysician
Smash Ace
I'm itching for more smash
Mr Postman
Smash Journeyman
I'm scratching for more smash
TheCatPhysician
Smash Ace
A wise guy, eh?
keeper
Smash Champion
I deleted the other few or whatever because I didn't know which was Hbox and which was Mango. The Mango ones are all the same as the aforementioned ones and Hbox's style/metagame influence is mostly figured out at this point since Jiggs is kind of a three-trick pony.
Falco's recovery is better than Falcon's.
If my argument was tired threads like this wouldn't still be relevant: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=312501
Guess who are the two best at actually being able to approach and also equally as good at not approaching.
Calling it a tired or passé topic is somewhat of a cop-out.
I pretty much almost never want to leave the stage after getting stage spiked by your Firefox because it apparently does crap like that. The hardest part is ever getting you off the stage far enough for it to matter and that the only thing that goes through Firefox is fair...
Which will not hit you if you're coming at a sharp enough angle from below, which isn't exactly hard to make happen with a vertical recovery length rivaled only by G&W.
Versus Marth? That's the only one that's really significantly easier as Sheik than Fox or Falco.
Watch someone like Cactuar or Cyrain play. You do not have to play Fox like Otto, Shane, or Jesse to be successful in any way. Hell, watch current PC Chris videos. SHFFL'd bairs, nairs, and straight up empty hops from him are amazing for killing, approaching, edgeguarding, and comboing. Uthrow->uair/bair/nair is amazing. The most demanding thing any Fox player should ever have to learn to be good is doing a decently low shine out of shield and wavedashing out of shine after hitting something. The only laser tricks necessary are turning around SHLs and being able to do low SHLs.
You don't have to play Fox in a very complex or demanding manner. I don't think anyone would disagree when I say Jesse plays in a flashy manner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynjeIlBAIGM
P.S. Stop smoking right before playing me in bracket.
Peach Masta
Smash Lord
I am the best. You must be punished for your transgressions Ratking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_lSP8Vc3o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_lSP8Vc3o
keeper
Smash Champion
Izayah
Smash Journeyman
What can I say? I'm a baller. I have the best Ganondorf in the PNW.
Cactuarz
Smash Ace
=/ i've gotten only 2 people to say they'll come play with us in corvallis, 1 if they can find a ride, if more people show interest i'll go, but until then I'm uneasy (thinks back to portland trips where sutherlin appearences outnumbers rest of oregon... sad)
I had a lot of fun playing friendlies in Melee. I was especially happy to see Aftermath and Dawg and it was great seeing Minh again; I had a blast playing with him in crews. Congrats to Gage and Binx for another top placing.
Oh, and I won Brawl without dropping a game. :o
Oh, and I won Brawl without dropping a game. :o
indigestible_wad
Smash Lord
There will be a large smashfest in portland on wednesday. Possibly larger than the ones in corvallis. Last wednesday we had five setups running.
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