The New Phantom Thief of Persona 5 The Royal - Kasumi Yoshizawa/"Jane"

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The thing about the second Persona is that it's always a trickster god of sorts, so I doubt the Fairy Godmother. Would not be shocked if it were the third however, as I am not sure how you could change around Cendrillion.

That does make me wonder, what lovecraftian horror is Futaba gonna get? It's not like there is some diffrent version of the Necronomicon, so it will likely be some other lovecraft creation.
reason i speculate fairy godmother is how the third semester seems to be everyone having their 'wishes' fulfilled--wakaba, human morgana, ryuji being loved on the track team, etc.

casting doubt on a 'godly' character like her and her motivations/morality seems right up persona's alley (and lines up with morgana's strange line in the e3 trailer about how "you can't just go granting people's wishes as you see fit")
 

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You know, thinking about Sae and how she will factor into P5R, her confidant could be a bit different. I think we can say the palace where Kasumi awakens is before the interrogation, as we see Kasumi as a Phantom Thief in the Casino. Naturally, that would extend/change the interrogation itself, as we now have a whole new story to add. Question is, what and when is the palace? I still have a hunch it's the opera house we saw in the bonus ova, as it has a connection to Kasumi through her Persona and feels like the sort of thing Atlus would sneak in.
 

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You know, thinking about Sae and how she will factor into P5R, her confidant could be a bit different. I think we can say the palace where Kasumi awakens is before the interrogation, as we see Kasumi as a Phantom Thief in the Casino. Naturally, that would extend/change the interrogation itself, as we now have a whole new story to add. Question is, what and when is the palace? I still have a hunch it's the opera house we saw in the bonus ova, as it has a connection to Kasumi through her Persona and feels like the sort of thing Atlus would sneak in.
I personally believe the palace would be some sort of instructor/guardian to Kasumi. Perhaps they have a tendency to be too relaxed when it comes to training/raising her, and it causes her to feel that she is not being pushed to her full potential because no pressure is being placed on her. I think that would be a nice angle to take. They aren’t necessarily bad but they are too self-involved to be able to properly care for Kasumi.
 

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I personally believe the palace would be some sort of instructor/guardian to Kasumi. Perhaps they have a tendency to be too relaxed when it comes to training/raising her, and it causes her to feel that she is not being pushed to her full potential because no pressure is being placed on her. I think that would be a nice angle to take. They aren’t necessarily bad but they are too self-involved to be able to properly care for Kasumi.
That's certainly an interesting angle. My big wonder though would be why the Phantom Thieves would become involved with it and, if he is not so bad, what is the deadline that would cause a game over. Given the games track record and the fact that we have already gotten a nice adult character this game in the counselor, I have the feeling that the palace owner does have some major issues.
 

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That's certainly an interesting angle. My big wonder though would be why the Phantom Thieves would become involved with it and, if he is not so bad, what is the deadline that would cause a game over. Given the games track record and the fact that we have already gotten a nice adult character this game in the counselor, I have the feeling that the palace owner does have some major issues.
Well, Kasumi has been established as a person who meets Joker very early in the story, so this could really just be a “we could do this for her” type situation. Alternatively, the Phantom Thieves could start suspecting her of being evil and do this to investigate. As for the deadline, perhaps this person is thinking of abandoning Kasumi at a certain time, and if you don’t change their heart before that time, Kasumi tries to change their heart on her own and dies, which is something that causes the police to suspect Joker or something. I know it’s far fetched, but I can honestly see Kasumi attempting something like that.
 

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Well, Kasumi has been established as a person who meets Joker very early in the story, so this could really just be a “we could do this for her” type situation. Alternatively, the Phantom Thieves could start suspecting her of being evil and do this to investigate. As for the deadline, perhaps this person is thinking of abandoning Kasumi at a certain time, and if you don’t change their heart before that time, Kasumi tries to change their heart on her own and dies, which is something that causes the police to suspect Joker or something. I know it’s far fetched, but I can honestly see Kasumi attempting something like that.
I agree that they would do it to help her, as that is often the case for this sort of thing. I think the evil suspecting is more of a fan thing than a Phantom Thief thing. See no reason for it either. ANd the whole dying thing wouldn't work since it would seem like she just went missing. The bodies go into the metaverse, after all.

Since we have talked about Sae a bit here, I feel like quoting this.
I figured I should share it because it's kinda eyebrow raising. Apparently the image is from some new Japanese P5R journal issue that came out.
What an odd thing to leave out. Some people are throwing out party member status upgrade, but that seems absolutely insane, especially since we already have a new party member in the form of Kasumi. But it would explain her being gone, so I don't know how to feel.
 
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I agree that they would do it to help her, as that is often the case for this sort of thing. I think the evil suspecting is more of a fan thing than a Phantom Thief thing. See no reason for it either. ANd the whole dying thing wouldn't work since it would seem like she just went missing. The bodies go into the metaverse, after all.

Since we have talked about Sae a bit here, I feel like quoting this.

What an odd thing to leave out. Some people are throwing out party member status upgrade, but that seems absolutely insane, especially since we already have a new party member in the form of Kasumi. But it would explain her being gone, so I don't know how to feel.
That would be insane. In a good way. Sae would actually be really cool as a phantom thief. But as far as that actually happening? I'd be shocked, but at the same time I can't think of any other reason she wouldn't be there. So maybe?
 

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That would be insane. In a good way. Sae would actually be really cool as a phantom thief. But as far as that actually happening? I'd be shocked, but at the same time I can't think of any other reason she wouldn't be there. So maybe?
A lot of changes would need to happen in order for to be possible, specifically her interrogation. We havnt seen her interigate Joker in P5R yet, so it's still a mystery.

Also, a thing for Gentlepanda Gentlepanda . This video made me immediately think of you and your shenanigans. I would post it in the general, but I have not been there forever and I don't feel like catching up. And I will say, one part of this video could age very poorly.
 

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A lot of changes would need to happen in order for to be possible, specifically her interrogation. We havnt seen her interigate Joker in P5R yet, so it's still a mystery.

Also, a thing for Gentlepanda Gentlepanda . This video made me immediately think of you and your shenanigans. I would post it in the general, but I have not been there forever and I don't feel like catching up. And I will say, one part of this video could age very poorly.
we live in a reality where kasumi may very well make it into smash before waluigi and that's just wild
 

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we live in a reality where kasumi may very well make it into smash before waluigi and that's just wild
If this wah thing sticks tll her reveal, you know people are going to point it out. What happens after that(Rage, fanon rivalry, friendship, shipping, etc.) is up to the community.
 

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A lot of changes would need to happen in order for to be possible, specifically her interrogation. We havnt seen her interigate Joker in P5R yet, so it's still a mystery.

Also, a thing for Gentlepanda Gentlepanda . This video made me immediately think of you and your shenanigans. I would post it in the general, but I have not been there forever and I don't feel like catching up. And I will say, one part of this video could age very poorly.
Why would the interrogation need to change? With her as a romance option essentially confirmed she'll probably have a regular confidant after the interrogation and during the extra semester. Maybe she just joins during that time and is only there for the 7th dungeon on.
 

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Why would the interrogation need to change? With her as a romance option essentially confirmed she'll probably have a regular confidant after the interrogation and during the extra semester. Maybe she just joins during that time and is only there for the 7th dungeon on.
Two confidants for the same person? That would be kinda crazy. Have they ever done something like that before?
 

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Hey y’all it’s Ninty here, add me to the support list, new Persona content is always welcome and she seems like she’d make a fine addition to the Smash roster.

I do have a question though, if she ends up being Joker’s Echo Fighter, when do you think she’ll be announced? I’m thinking it’ll be sometime in the Fall personally, possibly with another character ala Ken and Incineroar.
 

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Hey y’all it’s Ninty here, add me to the support list, new Persona content is always welcome and she seems like she’d make a fine addition to the Smash roster.

I do have a question though, if she ends up being Joker’s Echo Fighter, when do you think she’ll be announced? I’m thinking it’ll be sometime in the Fall personally, possibly with another character ala Ken and Incineroar.
You have been added. As for announcement. At the very least, I think her range of time to be announced would be from around the release of P5R and the time before the English release.

On another note, I should really update my first post, especially with how much info we have gotten since it was first made. We even have a full profile artwork of Cendrillon.
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You have been added. As for announcement. At the very least, I think her range of time to be announced would be from around the release of P5R and the time before the English release.

On another note, I should really update my first post, especially with how much info we have gotten since it was first made. We even have a full profile artwork of Cendrillon.
You know it’s funny, she looks really similar to Arsene.

The only super notable differences in proportions are that she doesn’t have claws, talons, and most notably is her lack of wings, but I guess her robe gives off the vibe of angelic wings almost...

I really like her design honestly.
 

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You know it’s funny, she looks really similar to Arsene.

The only super notable differences in proportions are that she doesn’t have claws, talons, and most notably is her lack of wings, but I guess her robe gives off the vibe of angelic wings almost...

I really like her design honestly.
Considering that Cendrillon is a Persona that uses bless, the angelic vibe is very much intentional. My favorite element of the design is the clock numbers on her chest, referencing the story of Cinderella.

Something interesting that has been noted before when it comes to Arsène's claws, he doesn't actually use his claws that much in Smash(I think there's only one or two moves that use them). He actually uses his legs a lot more, which is rather eyebrow raising when we see that Cendrillon focuses on kicking as well. We have theorized some possible Simon/Richter elements being in play here.
 
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Considering that Cendrillon is a Persona that uses bless, the angelic vibe is very much intentional. My favorite element of the design is the clock numbers on her chest, referencing the story of Cinderella.

Something interesting that has been noted before when it comes to Arsène's claws, he doesn't actually use his claws that much in Smash(I think there's only one or two moves that use them). He actually uses his legs a lot more, which is rather eyebrow raising when we see that Cendrillon focuses on kicking as well. We have theorized some possible Simon/Richter elements being in play here.
I never even noticed the numbers that go all the way to 12... Soejima’s sure is one for small details like that!

But yeah, I could see it being them barrowing attributes from each other in their movesets, I also feel she’ll be a bit more upbeat and cheerful than Joker’s more wild and rebellious personality however, kinda like the contrast between Daisy and Peach tbh.
 

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I never even noticed the numbers that go all the way to 12... Soejima’s sure is one for small details like that!

But yeah, I could see it being them barrowing attributes from each other in their movesets, I also feel she’ll be a bit more upbeat and cheerful than Joker’s more wild and rebellious personality however, kinda like the contrast between Daisy and Peach tbh.
It's pretty nice detail among, though it makes me wonder if the crystal in the center has meaning.

Yeah, that is one of the main benefits echo's have over skins. With echo's, you can showcase a new are of personality and character, even when the characters are more the less the same(Like Peach and Daisy). The fact that Kasumi is also not a silent protag certainly helps, as I could see things like her victory animations being more like all of the other Smash characters instead of Joker victory screen. It's a great effect and reference, but not the greatest showcase of Joker's character.

I also think another big change that will showcase her character will be a different Final Smash. I theorize that her FS would not be All Out Attack(No matter how I look at it, the team system would be very odd to implement in Kasumi's case), but rather a simultaneous attack with none other than Crow. This change would be better representation of P5R and it's mechanics, be a better showcase of her character(Nothing against the little victory dances at the end of an AOA, but Ryuji and Yusuke's combo was just pure character) and give Crow a time to shine, as he was not among Joker's FS. And let's be honest, Kasumi and Crow are going to get a team up attack. We know they have some notable interactions in the game from pre release material.

I feel like I am rambling a bit, but I just like laying out these ideas.
 

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If Kasumi gets in, she'll have her own Classic Mode, wonder how it'll be. Maybe it can pit her against other dancing characters like Bayo and Kirby?
That's not something I really considered. That could be a good one, though we need to find some more characters that have some dancing association. Maybe she could fight character's associated with athletics or her view of doing things without the help of others?
 

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You have been added. As for announcement. At the very least, I think her range of time to be announced would be from around the release of P5R and the time before the English release.

On another note, I should really update my first post, especially with how much info we have gotten since it was first made. We even have a full profile artwork of Cendrillon.
as we've mentioned before--though the art doesn't show it very well--she also shares arsene's bladed feet thing, albeit with a slightly different layout. the key thing, however, is that no other persona in the game actually has something like this, much less having something like this while sharing other exact features from arsene (the same proportions, the 'frill' design at the top of their legs, etc.).

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if the design similarities are just a coincidence, it'd be a very big coincidence--though similarities only make sense given how kasumi is just straight up wearing a variation on joker's costume. i'm more interested in why kasumi's thief design is a 1:1 joker copy yet cendrillon seems more akin to a counterpart with her similar features but contrasting colours.
 

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as we've mentioned before--though the art doesn't show it very well--she also shares arsene's bladed feet thing, albeit with a slightly different layout. the key thing, however, is that no other persona in the game actually has something like this, much less having something like this while sharing other exact features from arsene (the same proportions, the 'frill' design at the top of their legs, etc.).

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if the design similarities are just a coincidence, it'd be a very big coincidence--though similarities only make sense given how kasumi is just straight up wearing a variation on joker's costume. i'm more interested in why kasumi's thief design is a 1:1 joker copy yet cendrillon seems more akin to a counterpart with her similar features but contrasting colours.
That is kinda interesting, now that you mention it. This is especially the case when all of the other Phantom Thief outfits match up with their respective Persona. Kasumi is an odd exception, as her outfit doesn't really match her Persona. I think it's safe to say there is meaning behind it(Atlus have been very meticulous about designing these characters, so something like this is no accident), I just have no clue what it would be. Perhaps there is a disconnect between herself, even after she awakens her Persona?
 

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Two confidants for the same person? That would be kinda crazy. Have they ever done something like that before?
I would think the auto level up confidant during the interrogation would be removed. She's obviously going to be a romance option so she kind of has to have a regular confidant.
 
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That would be insane. In a good way. Sae would actually be really cool as a phantom thief. But as far as that actually happening? I'd be shocked, but at the same time I can't think of any other reason she wouldn't be there. So maybe?
It is definitely interesting. Don't know how well she'd work as an eleventh-hour party member, but it's not often you'd have a legal guardian join a kid-centered party.
 

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I would think the auto level up confidant during the interrogation would be removed. She's obviously going to be a romance option so she kind of has to have a regular confidant.
But that confidant was pretty symbolic and important towrds the big twist of the interrogation, so I don't know about that. If they are going to rid of that confidant method, they are going to change the interrogation as well. I think I have noted it here before, but we have not seen Sae interrogate Joker in any of the promotional material(At least that I know of).
It is definitely interesting. Don't know how well she'd work as an eleventh-hour party member, but it's not often you'd have a legal guardian join a kid-centered party.
It would certainly show a new side to her character and her relationships, particularly Makoto and Akechi. I am sure it would be a great dynamic, I just have no clue on the gameplay side of things and what this would mean in regard to Kasumi.

Also, I am sure there would be a lot of memes about her adult status in the team.
 

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So, what are people thinking alt wise for Kasumi(Besides the possibility of her school uniform)?
Hmm, wouldn’t she need something to substitute for a mask like Joker uses his glasses for his school uniform?

I’m wondering what that could be honestly...
 

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We got to see Shiho. That’s almost certainly Ann’s wish if it weren’t already obvious from the very moment we found out about the characters getting what they want
me: man i hope kasumi isn't the evil/misguided mastermind behind the third semester, it seems too obvious

also me: man i hope we get a third party villain in smash
 

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me: man i hope kasumi isn't the evil/misguided mastermind behind the third semester, it seems too obvious

also me: man i hope we get a third party villain in smash
Actually, I do have similar thoughts.

For one side, it would be neat for Kasumi to not be a twist villain hopefully so we could get a potential new character for the antagonist role in the new scenes.
On the other side, I have a bias for playable villains, and I do indeed hope to see as many new villains as supposedly possible on a game’s roster of playable characters.

I guess only time will tell.
 

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I wonder, can we predict when the Yusuke trailer will be? Like, have they been releasing these trailers at a consistent rate?
 

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I wonder, can we predict when the Yusuke trailer will be? Like, have they been releasing these trailers at a consistent rate?
Not really. The gap between Kasumi and Ryuji was 3 weeks, but Ryuji’s intro video was releasing just over a week ago. So maybe in a week and a half? (Also I’d expect the next character to be Morgana)
 
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Not really. The gap between Kasumi and Ryuji was 3 weeks, but Ryuji’s intro video was releasing just over a week ago. So maybe in a week and a half? (Also I’d expect the next character to be Morgana)
Good to know. I don't think it's going to be Morgana next, as he was the first party member you got and we have already gotten the two party members that came after(Ryuji and Ann). It feels like they are purposefully skipping over him for now.
 
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