The New Phantom Thief of Persona 5 The Royal - Kasumi Yoshizawa/"Jane"

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Guys, I just had something noted to me. The Valentine's episode has a mystery person who Joker will meet at an opera. Considering that Cendrillion is a specific opera inspiration, what if it is Kasumi? It would be unlike the others in that it is not a date, but rather Joker seeing her perform by chance.
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Guys, I just had something noted to me. The Valentine's episode has a mystery person who Joker will meet at an opera. Considering that Cendrillion is a specific opera inspiration, what if it is Kasumi? It would be unlike the others in that it is not a date, but rather Joker seeing her perform by chance.
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if they're actually playing it up as a mystery then it's either her or a fakeout gag like morgana/yusuke

seems about the time to spring royal marketing on the animation viewers
 

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if they're actually playing it up as a mystery then it's either her or a fakeout gag like morgana/yusuke

seems about the time to spring royal marketing on the animation viewers
When I first heard of this, I was actually thinking it would be
Lavenza. No offense to any of the other Phantom Thieves, but no one among them is name block worthy. Lavenza would be a legitimate surprise to hide, especially with how little screentime she has gotten.
Kasumi makes way too much sense as of now though, and I get the feeling that maybe this is a hint to the new palace. The Phantom Thieves infiltrating an Opera is too good to pass up.
 

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You know, if Kasumi is a performer at this opera and that carries over to the game(I imagine it will), I am surprised she doesn't have a more opera like mask. I know that would be a bit more on the nose and would not match up with most of the other mask designs(The others are more domino mask like), but it could've been pretty cool. Now that I think about it, what even is Kasumi's mask?
 

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You know, if Kasumi is a performer at this opera and that carries over to the game(I imagine it will), I am surprised she doesn't have a more opera like mask. I know that would be a bit more on the nose and would not match up with most of the other mask designs(The others are more domino mask like), but it could've been pretty cool. Now that I think about it, what even is Kasumi's mask?
everybody gangsta until kasumi yoshizawa walks in like

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Going to quote this here.
Well, I just found out who the mystery person in the ova is and it is not Kasumi.
Edit: Some spoilers, of course.
Sae. Before anyone gets too excited about a dating possibility in P5R, apparently info is coming in that Sae treats the Opera as a friend would rather than romantically.
In case anyone is wondering, I have not posted any links because the source was a tweet with a swear. I can put in the screen shots from those tweet if anyone is curious.
 
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Hopefully it pulls a reverse of what the P4 anime's did. While I know it's not the only reason, the P4 Golden anime certainly did not help how Marie was seen. And considering what the P5 anime did with Akechi...
True... I also wonder if they could do the "anime NG+" idea given how Ren's personality is very consistently mundane, unlike Yu's social stat gimmick. I imagine they'll have to do things differently this time, both practically and for story-telling reasons...
 

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Hopefully it pulls a reverse of what the P4 anime's did. While I know it's not the only reason, the P4 Golden anime certainly did not help how Marie was seen. And considering what the P5 anime did with Akechi...
What did it do with Akechi? I’m out of the loop on the anime so I’d appreciate if you could explain its issues to me
 

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What did it do with Akechi? I’m out of the loop on the anime so I’d appreciate if you could explain its issues to me
I didn't watch the anime itself, but I heard that Akechi was shoehorned into about everything, to the point that he apparently made an appearance in most episodes. There was even a "Akechi quota" meme.
 

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So, has anyone here seen the OVA yet(If it has been released by now, of course)? Specifically, the last one. If the person in the last date is a hint towards something in P5R, I am wondering if there is anything else being hinted at in it.
 

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So, has anyone here seen the OVA yet(If it has been released by now, of course)? Specifically, the last one. If the person in the last date is a hint towards something in P5R, I am wondering if there is anything else being hinted at in it.
It's a valentine date with Sae. Only thing it hints at is her as a romance option.
 

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It's a valentine date with Sae. Only thing it hints at is her as a romance option.
That is what I heard, yes. I heard that it was more of a friend thing before the release, but have been told that there is some romantic undertones since. I was also told that Sae and Ryuji are the only canon ones in the anime or something like that. Is all of this true?
 
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What do you guys think about the theory that Kasumi will end up as a villain? I hope it isn't true, but evidence seems to be piling up.
I feel like she'll be heavily pushed as one, but then it'll turn out that someone else was being evil and she was acting on the side of justice. It would add another parallel to Joker, as another "victim of a crime they didn't commit."
 

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new ryuji trailer


includes a cleaner version of Take Over and the best special move i've ever seen

also confirms tier 3 personas for the party members so kasumi likely has two extra forms beyond cendrillon
I expected as much when it came to tier 3's.

And yeah, now I definitely want Kasumi to get that sort of move for her FS if they are to a similar quality. That was incredible.

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Also, I suspect that last scene has something to do with Ryuij's desire that is granted. Of course, we will find out when it is all translated.
 
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Apparently, Ryuji's 3rd tier persona is named William, which is Kidd's first name
So, if this formula is consistent, the literary Persona will be powered up by the trickster god Persona to become an even stronger version of the former. Or at the very least, it will become something very much related to the first Persona. That's a good jumping off point for speculating these third tier's.
 

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So, if this formula is consistent, the literary Persona will be powered up by the trickster god Persona to become an even stronger version of the former. Or at the very least, it will become something very much related to the first Persona. That's a good jumping off point for speculating these third tier's.
$10 says arsene's third tier is literally called lupin
 

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That is what I heard, yes. I heard that it was more of a friend thing before the release, but have been told that there is some romantic undertones since. I was also told that Sae and Ryuji are the only canon ones in the anime or something like that. Is all of this true?
Pretty much. It's left ambiguous, but definitely leans toward romantic. I mean, going to the Opera together on Valentine's day with romantic undertones is pretty hard to misinterpret. I don't believe there is any cannon one, but I'm just going off what I've heard from people who have seen it. I haven't seen it myself.
 

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$10 says arsene's third tier is literally called lupin
And if that's the case, Lupin would be Joker's third personal Persona. You know the Atlus developers would not pass that one up.

I have the feeling that for a specific pancake lover, their third tier is going to be pretty important character wise. I imagine the same for Kasumi as well, though I am not sure how.
Pretty much. It's left ambiguous, but definitely leans toward romantic. I mean, going to the Opera together on Valentine's day with romantic undertones is pretty hard to misinterpret. I don't believe there is any cannon one, but I'm just going off what I've heard from people who have seen it. I haven't seen it myself.
I was able to see a video of it, and Yeah, it was all pretty romantic. Apparently Sae had an extra ticket, but the fact that she chose to invite Joker rather than her own sister raises an eyebrow. There was even your typical joining arms and chocolate giving(And hand holding so lewd they had to hide it in the reflection of glasses). Something I found interesting, however, was the lack of an ending trait all the other dates had. With all the other dates, the scene would end with a kiss. All of the girls had it in the first person, and the Ryuji date had one through the shadow of curtains from the outside of the Leblanc(That caught me off guard). Sae was the one exception, as her last shot was the previously mentioned lewd hand holding shot. I don't think any of these endings can truly be taken seriously, but it's all in good fun and possibly P5R hints for Sae(And perhaps Ryuji?). From the look of it, this seems to be the most well liked thing from the anime.
 
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I imagine the same for Kasumi as well,
cendrillon: starting persona
tier 2: unlocked around December, has some kind of involvement (intentional or otherwise) in the third semester's dream world thing (maybe fairy godmother - becomes boss of bonus dungeon like Marie, non-playable)
tier 3: unlocked when the dream world is destroyed and everything returns to normal / kasumi reconciles with the party for one last bit of gameplay

calling it all now
 

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cendrillon: starting persona
tier 2: unlocked around December, has some kind of involvement (intentional or otherwise) in the third semester's dream world thing (maybe fairy godmother - becomes boss of bonus dungeon like Marie, non-playable)
tier 3: unlocked when the dream world is destroyed and everything returns to normal / kasumi reconciles with the party for one last bit of gameplay

calling it all now
The thing about the second Persona is that it's always a trickster god of sorts, so I doubt the Fairy Godmother. Would not be shocked if it were the third however, as I am not sure how you could change around Cendrillion.

That does make me wonder, what lovecraftian horror is Futaba gonna get? It's not like there is some diffrent version of the Necronomicon, so it will likely be some other lovecraft creation.
 

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The thing about the second Persona is that it's always a trickster god of sorts, so I doubt the Fairy Godmother. Would not be shocked if it were the third however, as I am not sure how you could change around Cendrillion.

That does make me wonder, what lovecraftian horror is Futaba gonna get? It's not like there is some diffrent version of the Necronomicon, so it will likely be some other lovecraft creation.
They can always name it after Abdul Alhazred.
 
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