The New Mog for Brawl thread

[Repryx]

^^Gah stop fighting! Please! I cant take it anymore! Ive been tryna supply arguments 4 boths sides....the truth is....No Mog wont be in because Sakurai is gonna go for a diff. Audience but at the same time It would be nice if Mog was in cuz we need a Lancer...then again Mog is more of an AT....Also...Cloud would be a new type of character and Top tier with random FS<Biased


In actuality....Cloud and Sephiroth would be nice additions cuz of all the FF7 spin-offs prequels, sequels, off-spins, and phone sales. Good for SE busines so Sakurai may get a discount....

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Why hasn't platnum been perma banned? He's really dispicable and his little knowledge disgusts me.

 

[Del Money]

Platnum doesn't like it when we call you "Big Pop-pa"...

 

[platnum]

Why hasn't platnum been perma banned? He's really dispicable and his little knowledge disgusts me.

I dont lack intelligence.
the only one here who does is you!all you do is flame and any arguement you have is full of flaming.so...i shall now ignore you.
suporting mog=/=stupid.

 

[Mini Mic]

I dont lack intelligence.

Clearly you do that's why you leave those stupid lines between your sentences, seriously do you write like that at school because you're noting going to go very well if you do.

 

[platnum]

Clearly you do that's why you leave those stupid lines between your sentences, seriously do you write like that at school because you're noting going to go very well if you do.

what do you mean by lines?

 

[vesperview]

what do you mean by lines?

Typing





like







this



Which you stopped doing, A+ for you, now just work your grammar and all set.

 

[platnum]

Typing





like







this



Which you stopped doing, A+ for you, now just work your grammar and all set.

thank you. but this topic isn't about intelligence(we have a pool room for such things), it's about mog/moogles.
btw have you seen my cloud argument 2 pages back, i have been waiting for your response, as you are one of the few truly intelligent haters.

 

[Mckillyou]

This thread has epic lulz.

 

[Mini Mic]

thank you. but this topic isn't about intelligence(we have a pool room for such things), it's about mog/moogles.
btw have you seen my cloud argument 2 pages back, i have been waiting for your response, as you are one off the few truly intelligent haters.

See this is the way to type! Now as Vesperview said you just need to work on your grammar.

he is on the same level as mog.

before bring up the polls,they are meaningless.

This is how you don't Also you only have to look at the size of the Geno thread and the number of supporters to know that you are wrong. Also was the poll meaningless, was mog even on the list? A poll gives a general indication of the trends in a specific group, I would say they are far from meaningless.

 

[vesperview]

Sorry, but you just restated your previous arguments, the only character that could make the game sell based on his popularity is Cloud, not a Moogle and the Chocobo would be second in line due to it's mascot status, all of the other characters are only popular among Final Fantasy fanatics and I think we can be clear that:

Final Fantasy fanbase =/= Smash Bros fanbase, because Smash Bros is a popularity contest, specially with the third parties, Cloud is by far the only Final Fantasy lead whose popularity goes beyond Final Fantasy titles.

 

[platnum]

This thread has epic lulz.

The OP aint even done yet! I HATE it when people come here just to poke fun at it. We don't need civilians caught in the cross fire of an argument war, you best keep out.

 

[Mini Mic]

putting in cloud is a risk, like i said his appearence in brawl would help sell FFVII spin off's(which are all on sony consoles).

Metal Gear Solid 4 says hi.

 

[platnum]

Metal Gear Solid 4 says hi.

You got me there, but cloud is more expensive and sakurai was begged, so snake was probably cheap.

Sorry, but you just restated your previous arguments, the only character that could make the game sell based on his popularity is Cloud, not a Moogle and the Chocobo would be second in line due to it's mascot status, all of the other characters are only popular among Final Fantasy fanatics and I think we can be clear that:

Final Fantasy fanbase =/= Smash Bros fanbase, because Smash Bros is a popularity contest, specially with the third parties, Cloud is by far the only Final Fantasy lead whose popularity goes beyond Final Fantasy titles.

I must disagree with you, it's not just a popularity contest sakurai even said that popularity was not the only factor in chossing characters, and that causes SEVERE damage to clouds chances because popularity is the only reason he has to be in. and I doubt sakurai would shell out the HUGE amount of $$$ it would take to obtain cloud, chocobos and moogles would be cheaper and make money for nintendo by helping sell the many FF games on nintendo consoles, where as cloud would help sony make money by selling FFVII spin off's, and I doubt nintendo will help a competitor make money.

 

[vesperview]

I must disagree with you, it's not just a popularity contest sakurai even said that popularity was not the only factor in chossing characters, and that causes SEVERE damage to clouds chances because popularity is the only reason he has to be in. and I doubt sakurai would shell out the HUGE amount of $$$ it would take to obtain cloud, chocobos and moogles would be cheaper and make money for nintendo by helping sell the many FF games on nintendo consoles, where as cloud would help sony make money by selling FFVII spin off's, and I doubt nintendo will help a competitor make money.

He never said anything about that regarding third parties, third parties have to be extremely popular or iconic in order to grant them a spot and the Mog would be cheaper thing, please, who are you kidding? They can pay for any character they want as long as that company agrees on giving Sakurai their character, Sonic is in due to popularity and Snake completely destroys your argument, he's not only promoting his game on PS3, his history with Nintendo is far from great.

 

[Deleted member]

What about Geno, vesper? He's not iconic to the Mario franchise and isn't that popular but Sakurai likes him and he has a great chance.

 

[Mini Mic]

third parties have to be extremely popular or iconic in order to grant them a spot and the Mog would be cheaper thing,

There's a reason he would be cheaper lol. Keep in mind that thing like Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games and Mario Hoops 3 on 3 are used as bargaining chips. That is Nintendo allows S-E to use Mario characters to increase sales so cost really isn't an issue, furthermore Nintendo is the second largest company in Japan so I really don't think going all out for one game is going to matter, the musician list alone is testament to that.

 

[platnum]

He never said anything about that regarding third parties, third parties have to be extremely popular or iconic in order to grant them a spot and the Mog would be cheaper thing, please, who are you kidding? They can pay for any character they want as long as that company agrees on giving Sakurai their character, Sonic is in due to popularity and Snake completely destroys your argument, he's not only promoting his game on PS3, his history with Nintendo is far from great.

How do you know its all popularity for third parties? realy now, who actualy said anything about that? do you asume that because they have to pay it would somehow become different? and please, dont bring up all that "has to sell the game" stuff, at this point everyone and and their grandma and their dog and their cat are going buy this game! at this point any and all characters added are for quality purposes, because I know, you know, and they know bad game=bad sales.

 

[Mini Mic]

Here's an argument for you platnum: Mog has nothing going for him.

 

[vesperview]

What about Geno, vesper? He's not iconic to the Mario franchise and isn't that popular but Sakurai likes him and he has a great chance.

I don't really care for Geno that much anymore, plus, his situation is very different, Square can't use Geno outside of a Mario context, therefore he is second party.

How do you know its all popularity for third parties? realy now, who actualy said anything about that? do you asume that because they have to pay it would somehow become different? and please, dont bring up all that "has to sell the game" stuff, at this point everyone and and their grandma and their dog and their cat are going buy this game! at this point any and all characters added are for quality purposes, because I know, you know, and they know bad game=bad sales.

Because they're not gonna pay for some minor third party no one cares about, please, that's a no brainer, if they're gonna waste third party spots on minor unpopular characters, Nintendo has plenty to pick from and you're really underestimating Cloud just because he wields a sword, third parties are advertisements, they're in the game to boost the hype, popularity and sales of the game.

 

[platnum]

I don't really care for Geno that much anymore, plus, his situation is very different, Square can't use Geno outside of a Mario context, therefore he is second party.



Because they're not gonna pay for some minor third party no one cares about, please, that's a no brainer, if they're gonna waste third party spots on minor unpopular characters, Nintendo has plenty to pick from and you're really underestimating Cloud just because he wields a sword, third parties are advertisements, they're in the game to boost the hype, popularity and sales of the game.

moogles=/=3rd party character no one cares about. moogles are many many times more popular than Geno, but he still has a chance, and i'm not underestimating cloud because of his sword. i'm saying he's got no history with nintendo at all. and dont say snake destroyes my point, sakurai was paid to include snake, and the reason they paid him was to promote MSG4!

 

[Gerudo Warrior]

haha. not there not. geno is m-m-m-m mega popular

 

[platnum]

haha. not there not. geno is m-m-m-m mega popular

The majority of everyone hasnt heard of and dont care about Geno. YOU are in denial! hes only popular on the boards.

 

[vesperview]

moogles=/=3rd party character no one cares about. moogles are many many times more popular than Geno, but he still has a chance, and i'm not underestimating cloud because of his sword. i'm saying he's got no history with nintendo at all. and dont say snake destroyes my point, sakurai was paid to include snake, and the reason they paid him was to promote MSG4!

So, let's say Square approaches Sakurai the same way Kojima approached him and offered Cloud as a promotion tool for Crisis Core which is due next year, since you actually have no idea if this happened, well I guess it's not really safe for you to use it as a counter, bottom line, the most popular FF character is the one that would represent the series in Smash, and while Moogles aren't 3rd parties no one cares about, they're not held in high regard either.

 

[Gerudo Warrior]

lol....................

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

This thread is a joke and so is the topic creator, I hope it gets closed soon.

 

[platnum]

So, let's say Square approaches Sakurai the same way Kojima approached him and offered Cloud as a promotion tool for Crisis Core which is due next year, since you actually have no idea if this happened, well I guess it's not really safe for you to use it as a counter, bottom line, the most popular FF character is the one that would represent the series in Smash, and while Moogles aren't 3rd parties no one cares about, they're not held in high regard either.

Then he might get in. but unless that happens its either moogle or chocobo.

 

[Gerudo Warrior]

say what.. i think you got some english problems in that post..

 

[Deleted member]

moogles=/=3rd party character no one cares about. moogles are many many times more popular than Geno, but he still has a chance, and i'm not underestimating cloud because of his sword. i'm saying he's got no history with nintendo at all. and dont say snake destroyes my point, sakurai was paid to include snake, and the reason they paid him was to promote MSG4!

How many mentions did Mog get in Sakurai's journal? 0
How many did Geno get? 5

And that's not popular?

 

[IsmaR]

This thread is a joke and so is the topic creator, I hope it gets closed soon.

Why am I a joke? Cause I support a character you don't?

 

[Shuma]

"moogles=/=3rd party character no one cares about."

So let's say a FF character gets in Brawl... why is "moogles" more important than Cloud?

Edit:


'Cause you support a character that has no chance at all of even being a stycker in the game? Perhaps?

From the newest members of the now gone ridley club, i though you were one of the most inteligents IsmaR, how wrong i was. What a dissapointment.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Why am I a joke? Cause I support a character you don't?

**** straight.

 

[Deleted member]

Why am I a joke? Cause I support a character you don't?

He probably thought platnum made it.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

He probably thought platnum made it.

You got me there, I was thinking this was platnum's thread for some reason.

 

[Deleted member]

You got me there, I was thinking this was platnum's thread for some reason.

Well, he hired someone with an IQ actually over 20 to remake the thread for him.

 

[Gerudo Warrior]

the first post in this thread is horrific but so is the idea. Mog just plain sucks

 

[Shuma]

It's still Pretty stupid if you ask me, IsmaR should have let this thread die.

 

[~Krystal~]

Here's an argument for you platnum: Mog has nothing going for him.

Because he doesn't lug a giant sword around? How biased you are.

Mog:

+Was on Nintendo System
+Would be only Spear user in Brawl
+Would represent not only FFVI but Moogles in general
+Rare Dance User
+Probably cost less than Cloud

-Popularity is not nearly as high as Cloud's.
-Would not be the fan favorite

Lets look at Cloud

Cloud:

+Was on Nintendo System
+Would represent FFVII and all of its spin offs well enough
+Has a large fan base
+Is lead of FFVII

-Would be one of several sword users in Brawl
-Would be mighty expensive I'm guessing
- Mightest and most popular Limit Break happens to be similar to Ike and Link Final Smashes
- Next best Limit Break (Meteor Rain) is similar to PK Starstorm

Ok Cloud's strongest pluses are his large fan base (which won't make much of a difference since Brawl will sell extremely well anyway) and the fact he is the lead of FFVII.

Mog would obviously be a more unique addition to Brawl, but he lacks the popularity Cloud does.

That said, if I were Sakurai, I would skip Cloud and go for a Black Mage, Chocobo, or Mog.

Cloud actually seems like the less favorable option to me when you strip away his popularity edge. Popularity isn't the end all be all despite what people say about third party characters. When Sakurai says popularity isn't the only determinant in selecting a character, I'll have to assume that same rule applies to third parties as well since those who say otherwise are pretty much going with what they think to be the logical decision.

Sakurai, a guy who knows this game is going to sell may be looking for a third party character that would bring a unique flavor to the game. Sonic and Snake, though they may be very popular, have done this. Cloud is a sword user (lets face it), whos greastest techniques already exist in the form of an Ike/Link and Lucas Final Smash.

 

[Gerudo Warrior]

and than the one with the brain comes online

 

[vesperview]

Why are you using price as an argument? lol! You think Nintendo is gonna use Mario Galaxy's profits to get a third party in Brawl or something? Money isn't an issue.

Then he might get in. but unless that happens its either moogle or chocobo.

No, then it's neither.