The New MaTcHuP ChArT

[asianaussie]

im seriously considering committing to apex if i see you commit

 

[Mr Bushido]

inb4 we do this for every MU wut

 

[Annex]

inb4 we do this for every MU wut

Oh... I actually kinda wanted that to happen

 

[clubbadubba]

yoshi destoys link

fox v kirby is not that bad for fox

falcon v kirby is not that bad for falcon

I wanna say kirby/fox is between 55:45 and 60:40, and kirby/falcon is worse than that but definitely no worse than 65:35. IMO.

 

[mixa]

how about we just hold the match at apex

no-show = forfeiting the argument

this is gonna cause some hardcore paradox

- star king is never wrong
- star king never shows

 

[The Star King]

No, I'm just never wrong () when it's me arguing vs everyone else (e.g. invisible shines, double Rest video) and I am clearly adamant about my position (and it's something objective I guess)

So I guess, logically, I am wrong about Yoshi vs Link. ****

That's only true if aa's proposal (and mixa's premise of me never showing) is valid though

Wow I agree with all of clubba's opinions there, what is this even. I remember back when I said Falcon vs Kirby isn't as bad as people think and he firmly disagreed. Now he's on my side. HEHEHEHEHE

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

To make things a bit easier, sshouldn't we define whatt 55-45/60-40/65-35/70 even mean.

 

[mixa]

really though, i'd proly be participating in this if i didn't think that notation wasn't so ugly
take that mu chart for instance, you guys went from 55:45 to 75:25, that's 5 levels of advantage: 55, 60, 65, 70, 75. can't you put +1, +2 etc? unless that person who put 62.3 was being srs idk

 

[clubbadubba]

^^don't be ridiculous that's cray cray

also was serious about the 63/37 or whatever it is I put. There are 66 non-ditto matchups in the game, the difficulties of which are not all conveniently on 6 tiers we created.

We should rank all 66 matchups in order of difficulty. Then space the ranks associated with the matchups accordingly since not every inrease in difficulty is equal. Then do math to normalize the matchups on a scale we decide on. Then do matchup chart. Then do math to create tier list. DONE.

 

[The Star King]

really though, i'd proly be participating in this if i didn't think that notation wasn't so ugly
take that mu chart for instance, you guys went from 55:45 to 75:25, that's 5 levels of advantage: 55, 60, 65, 70, 75. can't you put +1, +2 etc? unless that person who put 62.3 was being srs idk

yeah I convinced these nerds to convert +1 to +5 a few years back but now we're back to ratios and I do not care enough to do it again

 

[Mr Bushido]

132 (amount of non mirror matchups) / 2 (half the roster) = 66

Are you implying the higher tiers MUs only?


And on the real no MU besides dittos is a true 50:50.
I was never limited to +5 as I was always willing to average certain MU's if we couldn't get to a consensus, so if any nerd wants to say a MU is 33:67 then feel free

 

[clubbadubba]

No I'm implying that if you have already done pika:kirby then there is no need to do kirbyika, hense the diving by 2. Look at the matchup chart and basically you would only do one of the two large triangles formed, which is 66 matchups.

lol colon pikachu throws in the smily

 

[Mr Bushido]

WOW IM DUM dunno why I didn't get that at first


GOOD IDEA CLUBBA

 

[mixa]

so Koro did a reddit AMA thing

and 90% of it was tiers.
so you guys better get this done along with a faq for Apex

 

[Cobrevolution]

koro also said fox can jab grab

i've been laughing for like 8 hours

 

[mixa]

LOL I did not see that. But this was funny:

 

[M!nt]

Not being mean, but why is he giving out info and answering questions if he doesn't even know that ness or luigi can jab grab. At least don't give out wrong information -.-

 

[The Star King]

Lol he was right, I did laugh at a bit at his AMA, but I can't hate. He's just spreading the word and such. And from what I saw it wasn't that bad in terms of wrong information (though I only skimmed it). Just the jabgrabs maybe?

 

[ballin4life]

yeah I convinced these nerds to convert +1 to +5 a few years back but now we're back to ratios and I do not care enough to do it again

ratios that aren't meant to imply winning percentages are pretty awful indeed

 

[clubbadubba]

where is this ama? I wanna read. Also I got a shout out, dank

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

This is fun
http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/1rfbbx/64_ama_hi_im_glenn_korobeniki_cabasso_i_was_a_64/

also took you guys long enough to find it

 

[MrMarbles]

This is fun
http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/1rfbbx/64_ama_hi_im_glenn_korobeniki_cabasso_i_was_a_64/

also took you guys long enough to find it

GJ spreading the word about the 64 scene

 

[Mr Bushido]

top tier matchup difficulty LIST

rat
,, , , , , , , , ,

KIRBS
, , , , , , , , , ,

fox
, , , , , , , , , ,

flacno
, , , , , , , , , ,



?????????????????????

 

[mixa]

I like this formatting a lot. Doug is cool but flacno is clearly his name for tier/mu threads.
Good ping ping between Ness and Link at the end. Puff standing her ground at all times.

Though I'll argue that you can put dittos in this table. As Pikachu, fighting another Pika is harder than fighting a Ness, for instance. Which means, the ditto character in the line would come to show when the MUs become positive. (Samus clearly would have her ditto at the end, at least according to cobr)

 

[M!nt]

why do you call him flacno, you're not cool

 

[B Link]

At first I thought 'flacno' sounded dumb and immature, but now it sounds kinda cool

 

[Maliki]

top tier matchup difficulty LIST

rat
,, , , , , , , , ,

KIRBS
, , , , , , , , , ,

fox
, , , , , , , , , ,

flacno
, , , , , , , , , ,



?????????????????????

FROM KERO & STRANDED

rat
Very well done. Switch ness and link.

KIRBS
what the actual hell
more like: , , , , , , , , , ,

fox
Very well done. Switch yoshi and mario.

flanco
Meh decent. Switch pika and fox. Bottom 4 should be: , , ,

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Falcon is 2nd best vs Kirby, wat

if anything I'd put falcon right below either mario or Samus.

 

[Sangoku]

But Flacno can jab grab Kirby. Decisive advantage.

 

[Mr Bushido]

Falcon is 2nd best vs Kirby, wat

if anything I'd put falcon right below either mario or Samus.

FROM KERO & STRANDED

rat
Very well done. Switch ness and link.

KIRBS
what the actual hell
more like: , , , , , , , , , ,

fox
Very well done. Switch yoshi and mario.

flanco
Meh decent. Switch pika and fox. Bottom 4 should be: , , ,

I'm pretty salty about the Flacno v Kirby matchup so you can say I'm biased here

Also Jiggs isn't that bad vs Pika (she deserves her own tier xDDD) so Clubba was right

AGAIN


Btw why are Kero & Stranded posting with Maliki's account /wut

 

[Maliki]

Btw why are Kero & Stranded posting with Maliki's account /wut

Stranded has no account and keros a mook

 

[Mr Bushido]

Stare kind with a G, when do you want to do our grudge match?

 

[The Star King]

Tonight I guess...? Although literally nobody on the Skype group will play with me right now so kinda annoyed I don't get practice. I played a few games yesterday with SA-in-NE I guess...

 

[Sedda]

soooo, did sk win?

 

[The Star King]

soooo, did sk win?

Well on the day scheduled, I sat on Smash FU playing Falcon dittos with B Link, and was also on Skype that day, and he never showed up.

And then Z pm'd for a time apparently but I didn't see it until now because Smashboards has been a butt, I guess I'll play you this weekend lol

 

[¨°PÞ-§°¨ Bane]

kirby is more like , , , , , , , , , ,

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

I kinda like that list

 

[Mr Bushido]

Interesting placement of jiggs lol

But one shield break and its over (id still put her above flacno dou)

 

[mixa]

^ pretty sure you are not allowed to post here until the grudge match gets done