Hehehe... I'll take on this challenge! This should be a snap!
First of all, the Pokemon series are different than the Mario games. The Pokemon list changes in every game, while the Mario list tends to stay the same. So saying a 1st gen pokemon has more of a chance over the 4th gen makes sense to me. Because the list is constantly changing and the original fans are getting older, more people remember the 1st gen over the 4th gen. Just because you still play pokemon doesn't mean the rest of us still play it! Mario on other hand recycles characters to keep up with its classic traditions of Bowser capturing the Princess. New foes come into the picture to stur up trouble for Mario, but its still the same idea.
So while Lucario isn't recognizable because old fans lost interest in the Pokemon series, old fans of Mario have come across Petey because they still play Mario games. I stongly believe that anyone that is a Nintendo fan, is a fan of Mario. Not buying a Mario game for a Nintendo system just doesn't make sense to me. Since Mario constantly recycles their characters, that means anyone that plays a Mario game at this point will know who Petey is!
Now lets compare Petey to the other characters....
Daisy - Appeared in one game. Was only revived to fill up the quota for sport games.
Toad - Only playable in one game that America made up. Doesn't have much to offer as a playable character. (Seriously, what would he do?) And from time to time he is always left off to the side, his role is very insignificant at this point.
Waluigi - Never appeared in a real Mario or a real Wario game.
Bowser Jr. - Too similar to Bowser (Or Mario). His role in the Mario series really isn't important anymore, he is just a quota character now. He was good in Sunshine but that is all he has.
Now lets look at Petey. He has appeared in every single Mario game since Sunshine, except for the Paper Mario games. He is very wacky which would spice up the roster list for Brawl, you see many characters are far too serious and I feel Petey would give a little more life to the game. He would probably be another heavyweight to the roster, which is something the list was missing. And he has several moves that would be new to the Smash series, such as Wind attacks and Sludge. So when you think about it, his style and moveset are much more unique compared to many other characters.
You could say I'm wrong, but you also said Squirtle isn't playable in Brawl, recently. I find anything you say anymore hard to believe at this point....
"Having only 1st gen pokemon instead of 4th gen makes sense to me"
Yeah lets ignore the newest installment of one of nintendos greatest franchises, yeah that makes sense...
"Just because you still play pokemon doesn't mean the rest of us still play it!"
and just because you dont play the newest gen doesnt mean other people dont, u dont understand, u think sakurai is jst representing the old school players, hes NOT hes consideriing the newest gen, why do u think they added groundon and deoxys as pokeball, wait THEYRE NOT 1ST GEN, if he can add 3rd gen as pokeball he can add 3rd gen and 4th as PCs, think about it, ur saying hes only gonna add 1st gen because they would eb more recognizable, if so then why is he adding other non-1st gens as pokeball? if he can do that he can add a 4th gen, e.x. Lucario...
and the 4th gen is about to out sell the 1st gen, meaning DS players will recognize most of the newest gens, and believe me theres a **** load of DS players IN THE WORLD...
"So while Lucario isn't recognizable because old fans lost interest in the Pokemon series, old fans of Mario have come across Petey because they still play Mario games. I stongly believe that anyone that is a Nintendo fan, is a fan of Mario. Not buying a Mario game for a Nintendo system just doesn't make sense to me. Since Mario constantly recycles their characters, that means anyone that plays a Mario game at this point will know who Petey is!"
aand I strongly believe any pokemon fan is buying the newest gens, meaning people are STILL playing pokemon, just because the 1st gen lost popularity and was the most recognizable of the gens 10 YEARS AGO, theyre just gonna represent THAT series, cmon THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE, not EVRYONE played LOZ TP and will you look at that we got TP Link, TP Zelda and bridge of eldin! not EVRYONE played FE path of radiance, and Im one of them, and yet Ike is in!! Theyre adding new characters if u like it or not, were BOUND to have an AC character, and not only was it never pokemon-like popular, most of the people in SWF havent played AC, and yet were getting one!! ur logic fails
Even more people would know who bowser jr and daisy are since daisy is from a very old game, and had the major role IN dat game, and bowser jr was oen of the main BOSSES in Sunshine and New SMB, cmon petey has only been a boss in sunshine and has appaeared in party and sports games, u call daisy and bowser jr loser characters, and yet they have had more major roles than petey, ur logic fails...
"Daisy - Appeared in one game. Was only revived to fill up the quota for sport games.
Toad - Only playable in one game that America made up. Doesn't have much to offer as a playable character. (Seriously, what would he do?) And from time to time he is always left off to the side, his role is very insignificant at this point.
Waluigi - Never appeared in a real Mario or a real Wario game.
Bowser Jr. - Too similar to Bowser (Or Mario). His role in the Mario series really isn't important anymore, he is just a quota character now. He was good in Sunshine but that is all he has."
Ur CONSTANTLY saying lucairo wont be in cause of his popularity, and saying squirtle got in BECAUSE hes popular (well WAS 10 years ago) and yet Geno and Toad ARE ON THE TOP FIVE OF SAKURAIS LIST, if popularity is the main key like u said (which it isnt) then geno and toad are 100% the game, but unlike you I KNOW nothing is certain, and u keep saying crap like lucario aint in the game, yet nothing has been confirmed...
Woah wait ur saying the roles of bowser jr arent important anymore, and I say: WAS SQUIRTLES EVER IMPORTANT?! if anything bowser jrs role are increasing, a main boss in sunshine, main boss in New SMB and is still apeparing in other games, petey was just some oss in sunshine and now being added as a filelr in sports games, he was good in sunshine but that all he has... yeah...
bowser jr can use his paintbrush and use goop to fight (something u used for the idea of petey) ur saying theyre not important, but yet they have had MORE MAJOR ROLES than petey, which he doesnt have even ONE... bowser jr can be like a little kid, energetic but annoying character, with his goop that can slow a character down, use his sheell for rapid attacks and his brush like a copter for upb... daisy is a tomboy, we dont have a tomboy just yet, so if we add her, and give her the earthquake move and some strikers abilities and u got a wacky character...
"Now lets look at Petey. He has appeared in every single Mario game since Sunshine, except for the Paper Mario games. He is very wacky which would spice up the roster list for Brawl, you see many characters are far too serious and I feel Petey would give a little more life to the game. He would probably be another heavyweight to the roster, which is something the list was missing. And he has several moves that would be new to the Smash series, such as Wind attacks and Sludge. So when you think about it, his style and moveset are much more unique compared to many other characters."
Daisy can be a heavy character as well, have earth moves which we dont have so far, and have soccer like kicks for her a moves, bowser can have his paint brush, makign him one of the most unique characters, using goop and long distance attacks to take down enemies, besides wing characters like pit, metaknight and ridley will surely have one wind attack, so there wouldnt be much uniqueness, and bowser jr was the one RESPONSIBLE for the goop, if anything bowser jr deserves to get in 1st...
just because they added 2 1st gen characters it doesnt mean theyre sticking with just that gen, or do I have to remind u they ARE adding 3rd gens to pokealls, meaning sakuriai is considering which character to add to pokeballs and which to add to the PC roster...
Now heres the WW part...
Here's the thing, you were a jerk to me right before I even knew you. So I decided to treat you the same way. Need me to prove that WW Link shouldn't be in Brawl? Okay, I'll take a shot at this one....
Well first off, if you noticed, every character follows a particular style. I'm sure you noticed this with Link, since he is Twilight Link, as well as there being a Twilight Zelda, and of course Bridge of Eldin.
But theres more, this occurs for almost every character. Jungle Beat DK, with Bongo Final, and the Rumble Falls level. Pokemon Ruby is being represented with Deoxys and Groudon. Soft cute version of Yoshi with a Yoshi Story level.... and so on.
So if they are representing Link from the Twilight version, then Sakurai is most likely going to keep him that way. Twilight Link is the best looking Link we have ever seen so far. And having a cartoony WW Link just wouldn't fit with the Zelda team. Their style for Brawl is based on a realistic look. Characters on teams all look alike and have similar styles, so why would Zelda break that mold?
Samus and Zamus at least both look realistic, and they also both appear in the same game. If Ridley appreared and a Zero Mission level was up, I wouldn't be surprised at all. Since they are all probably going to be shown as the Zero Mission versions.
As for attacks, you're forgetting the very basic items Link has. A sword and shield. If you look at Melee and see how Link and Young Link compare, you might notice a difference. If Y. Link was never in the game I bet Link's air attacks would have been much better, but since he had to split up his attacks the strength of his air attacks went to Y. Link. It happened to Mario and Dr. Mario. And in the trailer we can see Mario's FAir attack has changed to Dr. Mario's attack. So we should hope that there is only one Link, that way he can be the best possible Link we can have.
As for Slippy, he has appeared in every single Starfox game. Something Wolf can never accomplish. Not to mention the unfortunate similarities between Fox and Wolf. I mean I guess I wouldn't be THAT upset if Wolf appeared in Brawl, but I definitely prefer Slippy over Wolf any day. I'm sure if Wolf didn't appear in the next Starfox game fans wouldn't notice. But if Slippy disappeared the game wouldn't feel right at all.
You sound really dumb when you try to convince me that Squirtle isn't a playable character and that I was wrong. You must have picked up that habit from Stryks.
"So if they are representing Link from the Twilight version, then Sakurai is most likely going to keep him that way. Twilight Link is the best looking Link we have ever seen so far. And having a cartoony WW Link just wouldn't fit with the Zelda team. Their style for Brawl is based on a realistic look. Characters on teams all look alike and have similar styles, so why would Zelda break that mold?"
Yeah realistic look, kirby, pikachu, yoshi look ohso realistic...
I guess u havent noticed but pikachu is cel-shaded, yeah shocked werent you? if they can add a cel shaded pikachu, why not cel shaded link? Y.link is the true link, miyamoto created link as a kid, but has evolved since then, but unless u have been living under a rock, or in a shell pretending to be squirtle, every single GBA game since WW release they have been using the WW look for link, thats now links look for the kiddy LOZ games, they wouldnt be breaking the mold as u call it since WW link is a zelda character, by adding him they would add the true link and he would be representing most of the LOZ games... besides LOZ phantom hourglass is selling like crazy in japan, and since its coming out in october-november in the states, sakurai can add ww link not only to represent the newer zelda games but to promote PH...
"As for attacks, you're forgetting the very basic items Link has. A sword and shield. If you look at Melee and see how Link and Young Link compare, you might notice a difference. If Y. Link was never in the game I bet Link's air attacks would have been much better, but since he had to split up his attacks the strength of his air attacks went to Y. Link. It happened to Mario and Dr. Mario. And in the trailer we can see Mario's FAir attack has changed to Dr. Mario's attack. So we should hope that there is only one Link, that way he can be the best possible Link we can have."
Y.link, doc, pichu, flacos cloneage and ganons cloneage was a result of the deadline, they didnt had time to add unique characters and giving them original movesets, thus they had no choice to make clones...
They will probably fuse link and y.link like they did with mario and doc, but that doesnt mean they cant add WW link, ur forgetting one of the main parts of the LOZ series, the items...
Link can have the hurrican spin attack as his B<> using it like a faster more controllable yoshis rolling egg, but after a while WW link can get dizzy and vulnerable for a few secs, deku leaf for his up b, using a combination of peach's upb and using a gust attack on the ground...
skull hammer, rope, windwaker baton, the possibilites are endless, besides WW link apepared on the poll, and according to you popularity is everything, thus hes in...
"As for Slippy, he has appeared in every single Starfox game. Something Wolf can never accomplish. Not to mention the unfortunate similarities between Fox and Wolf. I mean I guess I wouldn't be THAT upset if Wolf appeared in Brawl, but I definitely prefer Slippy over Wolf any day. I'm sure if Wolf didn't appear in the next Starfox game fans wouldn't notice. But if Slippy disappeared the game wouldn't feel right at all."
The thing about you is that ur burn urself, ur saying we need more heavyweights so lets add petey, and yet call daisy and bowser jr who have bigger roles in the mairo games losers, while petey is just being added in sprots games just to have more characters...
and yet STILL u say we should add slippy cause he has apepared in 2 games more than wolf, ok fair enough, but as shiek and roy have proven number of apeparances dont matter, Ike also proves this, having 1 appearance, 2 if u consider the not yet released in america GoD...
what im triying to say is that u say we need petey cause we lack heavyqeight, well.. .WE LACK VILLAINS MORE, and Wolf is the only good villain choice for star fox, besides his apeparances in the games are one of the best part, SF64 and assault prove this, the epic fight with Star wolf is one of the key moments of the sries...
also u said in another post that wolf would be a somewhat clone, Id just DARE U to post that wolf = fox in the wof thread, many including me have proven that any character can be unique, give wolf a claw based moveset, meaning 100% melee based and u got the most unique character of the SF series...
to conclude, u have proven NOTHING so far, ur logic fails in every way...
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