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lol i was thinking more of the same to if you think throughly about it. but i'm hecka lazy for that kind of debate
I know you asked Bo, but I don't find Charizard very difficult to play against. I've played with MSKing's PT and beaten, and lost to, it enough times to have the experience. From what I've seen Charizard is a character that primarly want's to grab you (He has some really nice release options.) and can't really do anything from far away. Fireball camping keeps him away from you with nothing to do but try and fly over them into an aerial or someting, he's also very easy to combo. The only thing that might bother us is his Fair and Nair, both have good range and hitboxes (Nair more then Fair.) but that's what FLUDD is for. Offstage he can gimp you with his Fair and it's odd knockback even at low percents and his multi-jumps give him some good edgeguarding stuff, but he also has a very predictable and gimpable recovery. Charizard it probably the easiest to cape for me. (Not including Ivy because if you can't cape him then I don't know how to help you.) Spacing is key in this match-up. Rock smash can't hurt you if he can't get close. Charizard needs to be in your face to do anything and Mario has the tools to keep him away.
Charizard's offensive game is easier to get around than DK's who is faster and has more range and priority than Charazard does. Charizard's recovery is piss poor. He has 3 jumps and a glide, and his recovery is still not impressive. He loses all aerial mobility after he uses his UP B. Using Fludd and cape easily takes care of of his recovery. If you think his rock smash is a bigger problem than it already is, then you are not spacing enough and not using fireballs effectively. Mario still out camps Charizard. I also find Charizard as easy to juggle as DK. If you happen to get hit by all the fragments of the rock smash, then you're kinda screwed it does like 40% damage i think. Its almost completely avoidable if you're spacing well enough.
This is way too much. I'd say 55:45 Mario's favor.
That means Bair is useless, OMG H4X.
They only made it simple iirc. So Charizard recieves the same amount of knockback from fsmash as anyone else.
ohai PD. Thanks for clearing that up.
I agree as well. Just treat Zard as if he's Boozer is all. Except that big grab range/rock smash/OoS/ground game just poses the threat is all.
It's just a running joke we recently brought up. Look at the "Ness is Trash" link up in the reference section.
The FLUDD thing was just a joke dude.
that was actually pretty funny lol, that was probably for the ike matchup, otherwise i don't go there :o
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Stopped reading after this part.
How does this work? Flamethrower is slow starting up and has punishable ending lag. Approaching with it could end up leaving you open; something you can't afford vs a character like Mario. It just seems rather hazardousUsually we use flamethrower as a Defensive move or an approach (along with SH Rocksmash which gets ***** here
Just about. Flamethrower's quite a basic attack. It's not something to go nuts about. Oh, and that information about caping and FLUDDing Rock Smash was interesting. I'll use it next time.
Yea squirtle is faster than Mario. But thats it. Mario has everything else over him. I agree with 60:40 as well.Just about. Flamethrower's quite a basic attack. It's not something to go nuts about. Oh, and that information about caping and FLUDDing Rock Smash was interesting. I'll use it next time.
Also, I think Squirtle's more of a problem than you guys give him credit for. His bairs and fairs can be quite a problem. I think Mario has the advantage due to him being able to juggle Squirtle with u-tilt and uair, Squirtle being easy to KO at moderate percentages due to his weight, FLUDDing to screw up his spacing for openings, and Mario being able to bair wall him like he can wall us, and Squirtle having a horrible recovery, but I think it's more 6:4 Mario since Squirtle can be a problem in the air, his agility, his strong D-smash to wait out for, and one of his throws of which I can't remember that is quite strong. That's what I think, at least.
Ness still has no recovery, though.
ness's recovery is as useful as fat peach (oh wait fat peach is useful just ****ing ugly)Ness still has no recovery, though.
All I remember is PKNintendo making up numbers...
Ness still gives Mario a bit of trouble. I agree with 55:45. Ness's Fair, gay dair, and his good Aerial game puts him on par with Mario. Mario's Ground game and offstage game is what gives Mario the advantage.
Ness - Can't Recover GGs
I saw quite an argument for 60:40 Mario from several others.
Because it's a crappier version of the FLUDD and Squirtle doesn't even have good follow-ups for it.
:/ I did not. or maybe I did, don't quote me on that.
It doesn't have as much range (although it pushes back harder), he has no good follow-ups, and most of all it's not a very good edgeguard technique. At best, he can use FIHL to mess up spacing, but that's about it.
Doesn't it have more range. Im pretty sure IIRC.
Inb4 my stupid argument. I did so too, so were even.Judge Judy said:
Water Gun doesn't even push harder, it just charges slightly faster.
Meh, looks pretty accurate to me XD
