The Lucario Shrine

[Your Hero]

lol kk, sorry, all the pokemon in the pokeball, all the PCs, rayquaza isn't enough pokemon for you -_-, please just go buy pokemon for the wii and leave supersmash bros to represent all games, not just pokemon.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

People who think that Pokemon takes up most of Melee, and now Brawl, must be playing and seeing a different game than me.

 

[Your Hero]

The fact that people don't see the fact that pokemon has more rep than any other game in brawl is playing a different game than me.

lol

 

[Pluvia's other account]

I think that's due to the fact that Pokemon has a large selection of representation to choose from. Btw, do you support Lucario?

 

[Your Hero]

me, not as a playable character, but I don't mind him in the game (as in pokeball, background, whatever).

If he makes it in, I won't really care though. I don't like him in brawl, but I usually fight against it just for the debating .

Let's just say.. He's the character I want least in brawl, but I'm not a person who cares who's in.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Then why are you here..?

 

[Your Hero]

Because whenever I post/debate on someone elses "go lucario!!"/"I hate lucario" Threads, a mod locks it and says there's already an official lucario thread.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Well I find it really sad that you would bother to try and ruin other peoples hopes. You could just, you know, not post here if you don't like him.

Don't expect hugs and kisses from me.

 

[Your Hero]

lol the first time you answered to one of my posts, it was the opposite of hugs and kisses, so don't worry.

No offense but if he's in as a Playable character, then it ruins my hopes of him not being in. I have to post my dislike for him because if not everyone will believe that he's liked, when in fact he's not.

 

[kaid]

Then why are you here..?

He's bumping the thread and giving us something to talk about. That's plenty or reasons for him to stick around.

Your hero, consider the following numbers

Smash 64: 2 Pokemon out of 12 characters = 1/6 of the roster
Smash Melee: 4 Pokemon out of 26 characters = 1/6.5 of the roster

Do you consider these games to have "too many pokemon?"

So, if there is 42 characters in brawl, and they keep the same ratio of about 1/6, there's 7 Pokemon characters... with out being any more dominated than any previus game.

 

[Black/Light]

wow, Alot of talk happened well I was gone. Time to reply and do alil bump I guess. . .

If you keep fighting with the same Pokémon, or if you change them out too often, it’s not so good for the Pokémon.

If you want to be a good Pokémon Trainer, you’ll need to learn these kinds of ins and outs
Well let me correct myself, you're going to need to change if you want to be good with the pokemon trainer. Regardless of what exactly happends, it's going to affect the use of the pokemon.

I have been saying that all along.
It never says you are forced to change pokemon nor does it state what happenes if you change too much or not enuff, just that if you want to be a good Pokemon Trainer (that sounds more like a title than a character name btw. . .which could imply something) that you may want to learn the correct time to change.

Not too much, not too less. . . . that was the concept behide Zelda but Sheik was abused because her role could be also fill in for Zelda and there was nothing to incourage you to change at that point.

Your hero, consider the following numbers

Smash 64: 2 Pokemon out of 12 characters = 1/6 of the roster
Smash Melee: 4 Pokemon out of 26 characters = 1/6.5 of the roster

Do you consider these games to have "too many pokemon?"

So, if there is 42 characters in brawl, and they keep the same ratio of about 1/6, there's 7 Pokemon characters... with out being any more dominated than any previus game.

Your still trying to push this?

 

[E-Z-MONEY]

Your still trying to push this?

Why shouldn't he? It's a good point.

 

[Black/Light]

Why shouldn't he? It's a good point.

Pay attention in math class. He is trying to make/ force a pattern out of 2 variables when it takes 3+ variables to make such a thing. Why not say Raichu should be in with Pika and Pichu because atleast half of the pokemon in smash have been Pika and a pika like in the past 2 game?

Really, you can't determine the number of characters that are going to be in brawl for w/e series based souly on the past 2 games.

Pokemon, LOZ, Mario will get as many characters as they need that are important to the over-all repersentation to their series. Really, are we to expect 8 mario characters for brawl? What about 10-12 for SSB4? When does a series get enuff characters with this wannbe pattern?

 

[Ferio_Kun]

I would like to join the shrine. As Lucario is my number 1 on my list for getting into Brawl.

 

[kaid]

I'm saying "too many pokemon" is a simple ratio, pokemon representation over total characters.

IF Smash 64 and Smash melee did NOT qualify as too many pokemon, then we have a lower limit.

Therefore, by plugging in the expected (but not confirmed) character count, we can get a reasonable number of pokemon playable, without being "too many"

 

[Black/Light]

I'm saying "too many pokemon" is a simple ratio, pokemon representation over total characters.

IF Smash 64 and Smash melee did NOT qualify as too many pokemon, then we have a lower limit.

Therefore, by plugging in the expected (but not confirmed) character count, we can get a reasonable number of pokemon playable, without being "too many"

No one was saying theres "too many" pokemon, just that theres "enuff" to rep the series effectively. Again I go to Mario. . . do you expect mario to keep getting more and more characters when the most reasonable Mario characters will max out around 6? Will we see random koopas in SSBB-SSB4?

These series get these numbers of characters because they need them to effectively show off the series. . . we have yet to get useless random characters from any of the top 3 series because they have all been important in their respective roles. Sounds more reasonable to add in characters that are important to a series, fill in main character roles and move on to others than to HAVE to make w/e amount of new characters for a series that doesn't need it.

Oh, you also have no idea how many characters are in brawl

 

[Your Hero]

He's bumping the thread and giving us something to talk about. That's plenty or reasons for him to stick around.

Your hero, consider the following numbers

Smash 64: 2 Pokemon out of 12 characters = 1/6 of the roster
Smash Melee: 4 Pokemon out of 26 characters = 1/6.5 of the roster

Do you consider these games to have "too many pokemon?"

So, if there is 42 characters in brawl, and they keep the same ratio of about 1/6, there's 7 Pokemon characters... with out being any more dominated than any previus game.

As you haven't been reading, I;ve stated that pokemon is represented everywhere in the game, not just in PC. and is has the most rep in that sense.

Who says there's going to be 42 characters in brawl?

 

[The Dragon]

while i think lucario is going to be in brawl i dont think there will be 7 pcs of pokemon... counting pt as 3 i guess i think hes one but for ****s and giggles we will say hes 3.. i think Lucario will most likely replace Mewtwo... there is no need for that much rep from the first season(charizard,ivysuar,squirtle,pickachu all first season) and with pichu all but gone it makes the most sense since the puff was leaked, who is also first season

 

[kaid]

To answer both Blacklight and Your Hero, Approximately 40 characters is the accepted consensus for "expected character total"

Pokeballs have ALWAYS been in Smash. Why are they suddenly a problem now?

And blacklight, Your Hero has said that a 5th pokemon would be be too many.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

And just so you know, kaid's right on that 40 Characters thing. It is around about the average for how much Characters there will be generally. Well, according to the fans anyway. There could be 60 for all we know.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

And just so you know, kaid's right on that 40 Characters thing. It is around about the average for how much Characters there will be generally. Well, according to the fans anyway. There could be 60 for all we know.

...OR 35...

 

[Pluvia's other account]

In my view 35 would just suck. If they removed all of the clones except for Ganondorf and Falco, and added everyone else (except Ness), then that would mean only 3 of your expected Newcomers in your sig would get through to be playable.

It seems likely that there will be more than 35, so 40ish is the general consensus for playable Characters.

 

[Magmar's Wrath]

Okay then... why do people think Pokémon should not get an up-to-date character? Why should they be stuck with the first and second generation? It's Diamond and Pearl that are making the money, are in the animé, and are in the spotlight right now!

All the Zelda characters are in their most current game, Twilight Princess; Fox looks like he's from Assault (the last Gamecube Star Fox game); Mario has FLUDD; Samus' costumes are fitting her latest games; Wario is in his WarioWare games; the Fire Emblem character comes from one of the more recent games (Path of Radiance); and Lucas was the most recent Earthbound/Mother character.

Pokémon has their old school representatives. Why are they not entitled to their new school too? They have 450+ characters, and are still very limited compared to this.

 

[Boofer]

These series get these numbers of characters because they need them to effectively show off the series. . . we have yet to get useless random characters from any of the top 3 series because they have all been important in their respective roles. Sounds more reasonable to add in characters that are important to a series, fill in main character roles and move on to others than to HAVE to make w/e amount of new characters for a series that doesn't need it.

But think about characters that are "important" to the pokemon series. Most of them are not set in stone. I'd say that who's "important" in pokemon's case is dependent on the fans. And also, being useless is based on your own opinion, considering Lucario is probably the most popular new pokemon.

But I agree that new franchises *cough*golden sun*cough deserve it more.

Edit: and I agree with Magmar's Wrath.

 

[Lupo Aro]

Okay then... why do people think Pokémon should not get an up-to-date character? Why should they be stuck with the first and second generation? It's Diamond and Pearl that are making the money, are in the animé, and are in the spotlight right now!

All the Zelda characters are in their most current game, Twilight Princess; Fox looks like he's from Assault (the last Gamecube Star Fox game); Mario has FLUDD; Samus' costumes are fitting her latest games; Wario is in his WarioWare games; the Fire Emblem character comes from one of the more recent games (Path of Radiance); and Lucas was the most recent Earthbound/Mother character.

Pokémon has their old school representatives. Why are they not entitled to their new school too? They have 450+ characters, and are still very limited compared to this.

Actually Fox takes his appearance from Command.

 

[raphtmarqui]

Actually Fox takes his appearance from Command.

Which only proves his point

 

[E-Z-MONEY]

Why are people still calling Lucario random? He is by far the most popular possible new comer, is the only non legendary pokemon with a movie about him. Is fairly special in the games because he is an egg pokemon that is given to you. He has a unique typing both in the games and within smash. Plus he reps the fourth gen. Other than being popular Gardevoir had none of that. He was like 30 times more random then Lucario.

 

[Magmar's Wrath]

Why are people still calling Lucario random? He is by far the most popular possible new comer, is the only non legendary pokemon with a movie about him. Is fairly special in the games because he is an egg pokemon that is given to you. He has a unique typing both in the games and within smash. Plus he reps the fourth gen. Other than being popular Gardevoir had none of that. He was like 30 times more random then Lucario.

Bingo! (Except Gardevoirs are female only come fourth generation ).

People also like Lucario because he is a Fighting Pokémon, perfect for Brawl. One thing that older fans of Pokémon want is to have more combat involved in Pokémon, something more intense than the games or animé provide. We want to see the real fighters actually fight, actually control them. And Lucario is one Pokémon we want to see do some brawling.

 

[VideoGamer713]

No gardeviors are male and female but you have the option of evolving into Gallade with a stone and male Kirlia, same as snorunt, Glalies are both male and female.

 

[E-Z-MONEY]

Bingo! (Except Gardevoirs are female only come fourth generation ).

People also like Lucario because he is a Fighting Pokémon, perfect for Brawl. One thing that older fans of Pokémon want is to have more combat involved in Pokémon, something more intense than the games or animé provide. We want to see the real fighters actually fight, actually control them. And Lucario is one Pokémon we want to see do some brawling.

Agreed. But Video gamer is right. Gardevoirs can be any gender.

 

[antimatter]

this is lucario people.

 

[M3D]

I am M3D and I approve of this message.

<3 Lucario

 

[Chepe]

Okay then... why do people think Pokémon should not get an up-to-date character? Why should they be stuck with the first and second generation? It's Diamond and Pearl that are making the money, are in the animé, and are in the spotlight right now!

All the Zelda characters are in their most current game, Twilight Princess; Fox looks like he's from Assault (the last Gamecube Star Fox game); Mario has FLUDD; Samus' costumes are fitting her latest games; Wario is in his WarioWare games; the Fire Emblem character comes from one of the more recent games (Path of Radiance); and Lucas was the most recent Earthbound/Mother character.

Pokémon has their old school representatives. Why are they not entitled to their new school too? They have 450+ characters, and are still very limited compared to this.

Yay! This is my point but expanded upon and better expressed. Pokemon has indeed moved on, and as such should have a playable rep from the latest gen because if there are none... Sakurai would be implying that only the first games were good... Ive repeated this a lot.

With Diamond/Pearl selling like hotcakes, and being the best thing since the first gen (general opinion), Im sure Sakurai will have a playable Pokemon from there. The further we go without a Lucario Pokeball update, the likelier he is Id say...

 

[Iceman12]

Lucario really does deserve a character spot in Brawl, but at least we will know if Sakurai likes 4th gen pokemon by the end of January when we find out the final roster from the Japanese players. Fighting Pokemon really need to be represented as playable, Im tired of pink puffballs(Jigglypuff) and yellow rats(pikachu).

 

[E-Z-MONEY]

Lucario really does deserve a character spot in Brawl, but at least we will know if Sakurai likes 4th gen pokemon by the end of January when we find out the final roster from the Japanese players. Fighting Pokemon really need to be represented as playable, Im tired of pink puffballs(Jigglypuff) and yellow rats(pikachu).

Lol/agreed.

 

[Rubydragon]

Still hoping for this guy to make it in.

 

[shadenexus18]

Too bad "The WaveDash is no longer in him" rofl!

Still though, Lucario's chances are great!!

 

[kaid]

lol. Well, it was always more of a play on words than an actual request for wavedashing.

 

[Rubydragon]

Are his arguments listed on the first page? If not, I'd like to hear them.

 

[Princess Diana]

This page lacks lucario hating...

Why are people still calling Lucario random? He is by far the most popular possible new comer, is the only non legendary pokemon with a movie about him. Is fairly special in the games because he is an egg pokemon that is given to you. He has a unique typing both in the games and within smash. Plus he reps the fourth gen. Other than being popular Gardevoir had none of that. He was like 30 times more random then Lucario.

Lucario's random just get over it. Lucario, the most popular possible newcomer? Riiiiiight...

So what, that movie was boring anyway. Happiny is also given to you in an egg... Plus blissey is more popular than lucario cause of the competitive pokemon players... BLISSEY FOR BRAWL!!!!

Steel/Fighting is 'unique' in the sense that it's line is the only one to have it but its not 'unique' in the sense that its exciting and fresh. Darkrai and Manaphy pokemon who are both more popular than lucario could better rep the series, besides pokemon has enough representation.

Gardevoir isn't 30 times more random than lucario. She's more popular, more unique, and more coolie cool.